Ban?

[zuniger]

Steam really should ban some of these games, like If you wanna play some dating sim that's fine I dont care if it has sex scenes. But I feel like Rape is a good place to draw the line? "Natzukis life in prison" was a game I saw when browsing specials, its literally about a girl getting raped in prison. Im not super religious or uptight but like wtf is that? Not like it's hard for kids to buy this crap at all. Like two consenting adults doing it is one thing, but this is just some pervs fantasy.

[zuniger]

MonkehMaster a écrit :

People still trying to argue that a game about prison rape isn't bad... guess I'm not surprised... it is steam...

Yeah bro Im apparently a religious zealot for saying it doesn't need to be on a video game when Video games is something 91% of kids from ages 2 to 17 enjoy. Like I also said no attempt to even try and compromise they even reported and banned my name before. Yet Im the one who's being difficult?

[zuniger]

"The argument "think of the children" in the end is one that has little meaning for people when there exists a Google where those children will find much worse stuff in seconds."

This is probably the closest they get, but like I said before steam is not a search engine and the fact they can find it elsewhere is no argument to not have it on here. Like one of them said its a "false equivalence fallacy" Should we not try and limit the exposure of this kind of crap to kids as much as possible? Do you really need this rape fantasy sim that bad as to ignore the mental stability of millions of kids? Oh and before someone brings up GTA AGAIN, there is zero evidence supporting violence in video games has any adverse affect on kids. However Exposure to pornography harms children and youth by normalizing sexual violence, creating unrealistic expectations for intimate partners and relationships, and increasing the risk of addiction and there is evidence to support that. Also I'm not against completely banning stuff like this, I said I'm willing to compromise and even gave a couple of ideas and all I got in return was False equivalence fallacies and Ad homien fallacies.

[Crazy Tiger]

Octavius Rex a écrit :

Crazy Tiger a écrit :

Morals are not black & white or set in stone. What's morally right for person A is different for person B or person C. Heck, people not liking the game but not having an issue with it being sold is also part of peoples morals. People understanding the difference between a game and reality, also is part of peoples morals. The thing is that "morals and ethics" are human constructs that differ depending on upbringing, culture and other reasons and in reality ultimately are preferences.

In this thread you said other people haven't brought in "real arguments". If you consider the arguments and opinions of people not agreeing with you to "not be real", then your own arguments and opinons can be considered "not real" as well. It's not a one way street. Just because you don't agree with people does not mean that their arguments and opinions are less valid or "not real".

The argument "think of the children" in the end is one that has little meaning for people when there exists a Google where those children will find much worse stuff in seconds. Especially when Steam offers all kinds of parental tools and filters to utilise and it's the responsibility of the parents to educate their children to properly and safely use the Steam store and the internet as a whole. And with the Adult Only filter active, which it is by default, such games simply do not come up in any searches, lists or pages on Steam.
Personally I severely dislike the nowadays mentality that stores, schools, etc are somehow responsible to cover for parental lazyness. If parents don't take the effort to understand what their kids are doing and what's part of it, that's their issue. I think a store has to offer tools to help parents, but they don't have to stop selling things that are nicely tucked away and can be hidden.

People don't have to meet you on middle ground. If people disagree with you, don't consider things a problem or consider the existing filters and such to be sufficient, they don't have to compromise. Same, obviously, goes for you.

In the end it's up to Valve to decide what they do or do not want in their store. And unlike what people sometimes seem to think, the importance of these threads and discussions is not high at all.
Valve decides whether they want to allow a game or not, not people on a forum. So the best thing you can do is what has been said in this thread before. You report the game through the store page, you indicate your issue with it and you let Steam support look at it and make their decision. If they act on it and remove the game, that's ok. If they dismiss the report and don't remove the game, that's ok as well.


But it has a mission with interactive torture. How is that "morally" right?

There is no evidence supporting violence in video games makes kids violent. However having access to porn at to young an age DOES cause deficiencies. Also why does it matter if they can find it on google? You can find almost anything on google that's the whole point!! By your logic we can post this stuff in any public area right? Why not post ad's for this on trains? Steam is not even a search engine so comparing the two is silly. ALSO you say people dont have to meet me on middle ground yet also say "False equivalences and ad hominem against users who disagree with you only show you're here to be troublesome and stir the pot so to speak." Comparing Steam to google IS a False equivalence. It's also not an Ad hominem to say a rape fantasy simulator is for rapist to get there "sick kicks" You can check the game bro that's exactly what it is. Like I am willing and open to hear any ideas of compromises but after 11 pages I'm the only one willing to give any ground. It's insulting to say IM the difficult one considering you contradicted yourself almost immediately.

You'll find studies that will say that exposing kids to extreme violence, like the torture mission in GTA, will also cause deficiencies. You'll find studies that will support any viewpoint. That's why they often get taken with a grain of salt, since they rarely actually mention where the conclusions are based on.

Nowehere have I stated that you are the problem, that you attack others or that you are troublesome or that you are only here to stir the pot. What I have stated is that if you consider the arguments and opinions of others that you don't agree with to ne "not real", that this also goes for your own arguments and opinions. It's not a one way street where only your own arguments and opinions are "valid".

And no, people don't have to compromise or meet someone at the middle ground if they don't want to do that. Unlike popular belief it's actually ok if people don't agree with each other.
People thinking the current situation is ok is a valid response to the thread.

I think a store has to offer tools to be utilised and I consider the tools on Steam to be adequate. The Adult Only filter is on by default, there are all kinds of parental tools to be used and kids can be given a safe environment on steam. And whether I consider a game to be disturbing or not doesn't matter if I can utilise those tools, since it can be filtered out.
Without this thread I'd never would have heard about this game since I'm not interested in Adult Only games, so technically you're advertising the game. And don't worry, I won't buy it either.

But it really doesn't matter what anyone in this thread thinks about the subject. What matters is what Valve thinks of it, since it's their store. So have you actually reported the game through the store page as has been suggested on the first page? Cause that's the only way someone from Valve actually will look at it. Do keep in mind that they can disagree with you as well.

[zuniger]

Crazy Tiger a écrit :

Octavius Rex a écrit :

There is no evidence supporting violence in video games makes kids violent. However having access to porn at to young an age DOES cause deficiencies. Also why does it matter if they can find it on google? You can find almost anything on google that's the whole point!! By your logic we can post this stuff in any public area right? Why not post ad's for this on trains? Steam is not even a search engine so comparing the two is silly. ALSO you say people dont have to meet me on middle ground yet also say "False equivalences and ad hominem against users who disagree with you only show you're here to be troublesome and stir the pot so to speak." Comparing Steam to google IS a False equivalence. It's also not an Ad hominem to say a rape fantasy simulator is for rapist to get there "sick kicks" You can check the game bro that's exactly what it is. Like I am willing and open to hear any ideas of compromises but after 11 pages I'm the only one willing to give any ground. It's insulting to say IM the difficult one considering you contradicted yourself almost immediately.

You'll find studies that will say that exposing kids to extreme violence, like the torture mission in GTA, will also cause deficiencies. You'll find studies that will support any viewpoint. That's why they often get taken with a grain of salt, since they rarely actually mention where the conclusions are based on.

Nowehere have I stated that you are the problem, that you attack others or that you are troublesome or that you are only here to stir the pot. What I have stated is that if you consider the arguments and opinions of others that you don't agree with to ne "not real", that this also goes for your own arguments and opinions. It's not a one way street where only your own arguments and opinions are "valid".

And no, people don't have to compromise or meet someone at the middle ground if they don't want to do that. Unlike popular belief it's actually ok if people don't agree with each other.

I think a store has to offer tools to be utilised and I consider the tools on Steam to be adequate. The Adult Only filter is on by default, there are all kinds of parental tools to be used and kids can be given a safe environment on steam. And whether I consider a game to be disturbing or not doesn't matter if I can utilise those tools, since it can be filtered out.
Without this thread I'd never would have heard about this game since I'm not interested in Adult Only games, so technically you're advertising the game. And don't worry, I won't buy it either.

But it really doesn't matter what anyone in this thread thinks about the subject. What matters is what Valve thinks of it, since it's their store. So have you actually reported the game through the store page as has been suggested on the first page? Cause that's the only way someone from Valve actually will look at it. Do keep in mind that they can disagree with you as well.

Sorry that was a different person who said that, after 11 pages I guess I lose track so I apologies for that part, and I'm also aware people don't have to compromise and again that was not you who said it before but I only say that because of the accusation of me "trying to stir the pot" when I am honestly concerned and open to compromise.

Now I am aware of the adult filter however I dont think it takes much effort to turn it off and thats my issue. ALOT of parents don't even know how to use PC's. Like as a compromise Why not just have a separate store for it? At least that way it can show up on the bill as porn rather then "Valve" Kids can ask for money to buy a game and lie about what it was.

Valve can even be the one to make it with minimum effort, legit just keep the steam store U.I change it from grey to like pink and call it the "steamy store" They can partner up with ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ or something for advertisement lol. Like if I do seem difficult I apologize obviously some peoples morals are different then mine, but this is a rape fantasy sim.

If it was some romantic, cute dating sim thing that made you treat the girls in a respectful manner in order to get with them, I'd honestly say the filter is fine, But this is some extremely dark stuff.

[UNDEAD10000]

If you don't like adults only games that contains rape scenes on Steam store, you can always report those games to get removed from Steam and if that is not enough to you, you can contact to Valve and tell them to remove every adults only games from Steam store.

[AustrAlien2010]

You could ask the publisher why they published it.

[littlenymph]

The problem with censoring objectionable material is that those with objections can never really agree on what is or is not objectionable.
In a case brought before the US Supreme Court in 1964, the Supreme Court was asked to define what pornography was. Justice Potter Stewart replied, "I don't know what pornography is but I know it when I see it."
On an ironic note, Justice Stewart is also noted for saying, "Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime."

While these two quotes seem to contradict one another I could argue that they fall under the "Fire in a theater" analogy. Americans have the constitutional right of free speech but, they do not have the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater when, in fact, there is no danger of fire. The logic here is simple and straight-forward. To yell fire induces panic. Panic induces flight and creates an environment in which harm may incur to another. No one will die from the fire because there is no fire but, they may well die from the panicked stampede the threat of fire induces.

Pardon me for introducing another old trope but this reminds me of the old saying "Your freedom ends where my nose begins." and adds another layer of meaning to the quotes from Justice Stewart. yes, you have the right to flail your arms and swing your fists about but once your fist impacts my nose you have caused me harm, which overrides your freedom to swing your fist. Likewise, you have a right to determine what is just and moral for you but that does not give you the right to impose your sense of morality upon me.

Steam has always had products with adult content. This is nothing new. What is new is that they have bowed to market pressure and broadened the range of allowable adult content. A large portion of the market wants it. another portion does not care. Yet another portion does not like and/or want it but is okay with it being there so long as they can opt out and have access to parental controls.And then there is that portion of the market that not only does not want it but believes it should not be available, at all. Frankly, I understand people that feel this way and I also understand their motivations. Sadly, you are a minority of the user base which puts you at a disadvantage if your goal is to convince Steam to remove all objectionable content from its database. To begin with, you can't agree on what is objectionable. Where do you draw the line? Any two of you may agree that pornography should be banned but, you can't agree on what pornography is.

So where does this leave us? Well... it leaves us where we already are. Steam sells the content but provides opt-outs and safeguards to protect those that do not desire it from harm. Is it the perfect solution? No. But it's about as perfect as you are going to get.

[zuniger]

littlenymph a écrit :

The problem with censoring objectionable material is that those with objections can never really agree on what is or is not objectionable.
In a case brought before the US Supreme Court in 1964, the Supreme Court was asked to define what pornography was. Justice Potter Stewart replied, "I don't know what pornography is but I know it when I see it."
On an ironic note, Justice Stewart is also noted for saying, "Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime."

While these two quotes seem to contradict one another I could argue that they fall under the "Fire in a theater" analogy. Americans have the constitutional right of free speech but, they do not have the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater when, in fact, there is no danger of fire. The logic here is simple and straight-forward. To yell fire induces panic. Panic induces flight and creates an environment in which harm may incur to another. No one will die from the fire because there is no fire but, they may well die from the panicked stampede the threat of fire induces.

Pardon me for introducing another old trope but this reminds me of the old saying "Your freedom ends where my nose begins." and adds another layer of meaning to the quotes from Justice Stewart. yes, you have the right to flail your arms and swing your fists about but once your fist impacts my nose you have caused me harm, which overrides your freedom to swing your fist. Likewise, you have a right to determine what is just and moral for you but that does not give you the right to impose your sense of morality upon me.

Steam has always had products with adult content. This is nothing new. What is new is that they have bowed to market pressure and broadened the range of allowable adult content. A large portion of the market wants it. another portion does not care. Yet another portion does not like and/or want it but is okay with it being there so long as they can opt out and have access to parental controls.And then there is that portion of the market that not only does not want it but believes it should not be available, at all. Frankly, I understand people that feel this way and I also understand their motivations. Sadly, you are a minority of the user base which puts you at a disadvantage if your goal is to convince Steam to remove all objectionable content from its database. To begin with, you can't agree on what is objectionable. Where do you draw the line? Any two of you may agree that pornography should be banned but, you can't agree on what pornography is.

So where does this leave us? Well... it leaves us where we already are. Steam sells the content but provides opt-outs and safeguards to protect those that do not desire it from harm. Is it the perfect solution? No. But it's about as perfect as you are going to get.

Let me start by saying that was refreshing thanks for not being passive aggressive and actually debating the topic.

Now I kinda thought the difference was mostly genitalia, in games like gta, witcher ect you dont see everything.

like you can show boobs right? But boobs aren't always sexual, a mother breastfeeding is not sexual right?

You can show butt cheeks, but you cant have a girl spread them.

I assumed it was because you aren't really showing anything you wouldn't see on a beach. The game in question shows uncensored ♥♥♥♥♥ and vag and that's why I felt like it was porn.
Also I expected to be the minority but I also wasn't expecting so many awful opinion lol. "think of the children" is apparently zero grounds to bring up a discussion about child safety on the platform lol.

[littlenymph]

Octavius Rex a écrit :

littlenymph a écrit :

The problem with censoring objectionable material is that those with objections can never really agree on what is or is not objectionable.
In a case brought before the US Supreme Court in 1964, the Supreme Court was asked to define what pornography was. Justice Potter Stewart replied, "I don't know what pornography is but I know it when I see it."
On an ironic note, Justice Stewart is also noted for saying, "Censorship reflects a society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime."

While these two quotes seem to contradict one another I could argue that they fall under the "Fire in a theater" analogy. Americans have the constitutional right of free speech but, they do not have the right to shout "Fire!" in a crowded theater when, in fact, there is no danger of fire. The logic here is simple and straight-forward. To yell fire induces panic. Panic induces flight and creates an environment in which harm may incur to another. No one will die from the fire because there is no fire but, they may well die from the panicked stampede the threat of fire induces.

Pardon me for introducing another old trope but this reminds me of the old saying "Your freedom ends where my nose begins." and adds another layer of meaning to the quotes from Justice Stewart. yes, you have the right to flail your arms and swing your fists about but once your fist impacts my nose you have caused me harm, which overrides your freedom to swing your fist. Likewise, you have a right to determine what is just and moral for you but that does not give you the right to impose your sense of morality upon me.

Steam has always had products with adult content. This is nothing new. What is new is that they have bowed to market pressure and broadened the range of allowable adult content. A large portion of the market wants it. another portion does not care. Yet another portion does not like and/or want it but is okay with it being there so long as they can opt out and have access to parental controls.And then there is that portion of the market that not only does not want it but believes it should not be available, at all. Frankly, I understand people that feel this way and I also understand their motivations. Sadly, you are a minority of the user base which puts you at a disadvantage if your goal is to convince Steam to remove all objectionable content from its database. To begin with, you can't agree on what is objectionable. Where do you draw the line? Any two of you may agree that pornography should be banned but, you can't agree on what pornography is.

So where does this leave us? Well... it leaves us where we already are. Steam sells the content but provides opt-outs and safeguards to protect those that do not desire it from harm. Is it the perfect solution? No. But it's about as perfect as you are going to get.

Let me start by saying that was refreshing thanks for not being passive aggressive and actually debating the topic.

Now I kinda thought the difference was mostly genitalia, in games like gta, witcher ect you dont see everything.

like you can show boobs right? But boobs aren't always sexual, a mother breastfeeding is not sexual right?

You can show butt cheeks, but you cant have a girl spread them.

I assumed it was because you aren't really showing anything you wouldn't see on a beach. The game in question shows uncensored ♥♥♥♥♥ and vag and that's why I felt like it was porn.
Also I expected to be the minority but I also wasn't expecting so many awful opinion lol. "think of the children" is apparently zero grounds to bring up a discussion about child safety on the platform lol.

Thanks. :)

And yeah, it's a hot topic and I often get flamed for my opinions.
I think we probably agree and disagree in equal measure. My pornography bar is set higher than yours. I don't generally regard it as porn unless it depicts sexual acts but you could probably toss lewd and explicit poses into the "acts" category.

I remember when Steam expanded from games that had adult content into those where the entire theme of the game was built around it. The first few that came out were censored and you had to go to a third-party site to download a patch to unlock the scenes or override the censoring. There are still a few out there that are censored with no patch available.

For the record, I do have a few games in my library that have adult themes. A small minority. I'm sure my Mom would not like them but I'm in my 60's so it's not like I haven't been exposed to that stuff before, right? Even then, I was a bit surprised when I bought a Nutaku game earlier this year that has a narrative story line that begins with an explicit oral scene at the very beginning of the game. I was like... "Woah!... totally did not see that coming!" I knew they had raised the bar on adult content but I didn't realize they had raised it quite that high.

I never use filters for anything, to include my search engines so, I've seen worse than that on Steam since then. Much worse. I have mixed feelings on the extreme content, especially when it involves gore and abuse. It's not really my thing but I wind up seeing it anyhow because the filters that allow the least of it in bring the worst of it along for the ride.

I think it was you that suggested they have an adult version of Steam where all the adult content could go. That's actually not a bad suggestion but it would be a massive undertaking to figure out how existing players could import their adult games there when the existing version of Steam no longer offered them. I have a counter suggestion for you. Instead of creating an adult version of Steam, how about a vanilla version of Steam instead and leaving this version as it is. Steam Junior, For kids age 14 and below,.where no filters are required because there is no content available they would be needed for.

[zuniger]

littlenymph a écrit :

Octavius Rex a écrit :

Let me start by saying that was refreshing thanks for not being passive aggressive and actually debating the topic.

Now I kinda thought the difference was mostly genitalia, in games like gta, witcher ect you dont see everything.

like you can show boobs right? But boobs aren't always sexual, a mother breastfeeding is not sexual right?

You can show butt cheeks, but you cant have a girl spread them.

I assumed it was because you aren't really showing anything you wouldn't see on a beach. The game in question shows uncensored ♥♥♥♥♥ and vag and that's why I felt like it was porn.
Also I expected to be the minority but I also wasn't expecting so many awful opinion lol. "think of the children" is apparently zero grounds to bring up a discussion about child safety on the platform lol.

Thanks. :)

And yeah, it's a hot topic and I often get flamed for my opinions.
I think we probably agree and disagree in equal measure. My pornography bar is set higher than yours. I don't generally regard it as porn unless it depicts sexual acts but you could probably toss lewd and explicit poses into the "acts" category.

I remember when Steam expanded from games that had adult content into those where the entire theme of the game was built around it. The first few that came out were censored and you had to go to a third-party site to download a patch to unlock the scenes or override the censoring. There are still a few out there that are censored with no patch available.

For the record, I do have a few games in my library that have adult themes. A small minority. I'm sure my Mom would not like them but I'm in my 60's so it's not like I haven't been exposed to that stuff before, right? Even then, I was a bit surprised when I bought a Nutaku game earlier this year that has a narrative story line that begins with an explicit oral scene at the very beginning of the game. I was like... "Woah!... totally did not see that coming!" I knew they had raised the bar on adult content but I didn't realize they had raised it quite that high.

I never use filters for anything, to include my search engines so, I've seen worse than that on Steam since then. Much worse. I have mixed feelings on the extreme content, especially when it involves gore and abuse. It's not really my thing but I wind up seeing it anyhow because the filters that allow the least of it in bring the worst of it along for the ride.

I think it was you that suggested they have an adult version of Steam where all the adult content could go. That's actually not a bad suggestion but it would be a massive undertaking to figure out how existing players could import their adult games there when the existing version of Steam no longer offered them. I have a counter suggestion for you. Instead of creating an adult version of Steam, how about a vanilla version of Steam instead and leaving this version as it is. Steam Junior, For kids age 14 and below,.where no filters are required because there is no content available they would be needed for.

Completely acceptable middle ground, yes I would happily support Steam junior. There needs to be more people like you bro, even if you were completely against me i'd say the same. You give well rounded and intelligent reasons for your discussions and thats all i ask. I started making post's on here to fix myself to be the same way. Arguing has seemingly replaced debates, for a while I had no idea I was doing it myself and I occasionally still do but we are all human and we all get emotional and thats fine to a degree.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

OP I understand you want moral but you're trying to apply it to porn / adult media you seem to forget, but this is something you can report yourself, and explain why you're against the said game.


Now about rape, it's pretty bad, and can be taken seriously when comes to real world there no doubt about that, so don't get fantasy mix with reality if you do you cross the line like a moron. The issue with rape fantasy in a novel/story is that it's not new, don't take wrong way what you read as you assume the worse, and get the wrong understanding if you stop here, but rape been in stories for long time people may even alter it but end up what it is, think of Disney old movies, there really dark tales behind them because they're actually alter stories, the real stories when you hear them may shock you how bad it really is when you find the origin where the Disney movies came from, but that just example what I meant alter, now rape in stories been a thing way longer than you think, from storytelling, scrolls, books, movies, tv shows, and games, and yea it crazy we still have books, movies, tv shows, and games being made to this day, air on tv for everyone to see, and so on, they didn't go away, but they don't happen as often in most of these things, when they do use rape it apply to spice the story, or add something to the character, to boost their consumers to keep reading/watching wanting to know more of the story, or take more interest in the character.

If you know of game of thrones, then don't pretend that didn't exist, and that was very popular on TV.

Point is rape is a very touchy subject in stories, and fact remains not many ever use it as much in general media, for adult media it's very likely to come across rape, because it's adult media what you expect a Walt Disney children experience??? Of course not, adult media is aim toward adults, it was never meant for kids to begin with. Anyways if you have problems with rape fantasy in adult games, block them, they're not real, they're just not for you, just like if you hate games that all about street fighting like Tekken, obviously you ignore them, but others are into it, just means Tekken wasn't for you that all it means.

I have not explain it the best, nor explain in deep context as there a lot to explain why people write stories if you're new to story telling, or character creation, but yes there are some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ movies, games, books, and so on all out there that are terrible and that a given.

[zuniger]

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 a écrit :

OP I understand you want moral but you're trying to apply it to porn / adult media you seem to forget, but this is something you can report yourself, and explain why you're against the said game.


Now about rape, it's pretty bad, and can be taken seriously when comes to real world there no doubt about that, so don't get fantasy mix with reality if you do you cross the line like a moron. The issue with rape fantasy in a novel/story is that it's not new, don't take wrong way what you read as you assume the worse, and get the wrong understanding if you stop here, but rape been in stories for long time people may even alter it but end up what it is, think of Disney old movies, there really dark tales behind them because they're actually alter stories, the real stories when you hear them may shock you how bad it really is when you find the origin where the Disney movies came from, but that just example what I meant alter, now rape in stories been a thing way longer than you think, from storytelling, scrolls, books, movies, tv shows, and games, and yea it crazy we still have books, movies, tv shows, and games being made to this day, air on tv for everyone to see, and so on, they didn't go away, but they don't happen as often in most of these things, when they do use rape it apply to spice the story, or add something to the character, to boost their consumers to keep reading/watching wanting to know more of the story, or take more interest in the character.

If you know of game of thrones, then don't pretend that didn't exist, and that was very popular on TV.

Point is rape is a very touchy subject in stories, and fact remains not many ever use it as much in general media, for adult media it's very likely to come across rape, because it's adult media what you expect a Walt Disney children experience??? Of course not, adult media is aim toward adults, it was never meant for kids to begin with. Anyways if you have problems with rape fantasy in adult games, block them, they're not real, they're just not for you, just like if you hate games that all about street fighting like Tekken, obviously you ignore them, but others are into it, just means Tekken wasn't for you that all it means.

I have not explain it the best, nor explain in deep context as there a lot to explain why people write stories if you're new to story telling, or character creation, but yes there are some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ movies, games, books, and so on all out there that are terrible and that a given.

All of good points but say GOT for example, That is not really something I would consider for kids it is HBO they are known for boobs and blood lol. It comes up in video games as well but you are normally saving a girl and even then they dont actually show penetration, the worst ive seen is clothing being ripped off to expose the brest and what normally happens to the rapist bad guy? He is killed or something bad happens as well as making it clear he is evil.

The game I am referring to shows everything uncensored, penetration and all. That's not even allowed on HBO.

Books are a different medium entirely although I'd still argue a rape fantasy book should be kept FAR away from kids as well lol.

Also the whole point isn't MY issue with the game, it's that sexual content unlike violent content has been proven to hurt the development of kids and this is over the top sexual content and the only thing stopping kids from viewing it are an adult filter which is not hard to figure out. Obviously kids can elsewhere to get it sure, obviously we cant and shouldn't ban it from everywhere it would be re-uploaded or something regardless. But that's no reason to not try and limit there exposure to it right?

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Octavius Rex a écrit :

All of good points but say GOT for example, That is not really something I would consider for kids it is HBO they are known for boobs and blood lol. It comes up in video games as well but you are normally saving a girl and even then they dont actually show penetration, the worst ive seen is clothing being ripped off to expose the brest and what normally happens to the rapist bad guy? He is killed or something bad happens as well as making it clear he is evil.

The game I am referring to shows everything uncensored, penetration and all. That's not even allowed on HBO.

I get what you mean, but this is old classic method where bad guy get what coming, and not succeed with their intent/plan it's been used in general media for long time for wide range even in kids shows, not talking about rape, but the practice idea, compare to where ones that do succeed in doing what they wanted.

When watch something where they succeed story either change for the good, or worse, but it adds to it, as well to characters too, again this depends how story was handle in the direction where they're heading, and taken it, the problem isn't rape in the story really but more how it was applied, and how story was handle, such as the plot.

HBO isn't against rape, but they want something to be lessened as crossing line for ratings at that point, that why they opt for how the bad guy somehow always lose, mess up, or whatever reason to stopping them, this is where you were expecting something to happen, but didn't where give you false expectations to assume what would happen, compare to what does happen if bad guy didn't lose, or whatever.

When bad guy wins, you assume the worse, don't even have to see it to know what happen, but this adds to things is what I'm talking about. And yes there is bad shows, movies and such, even if it has rape, attempt rape, or not, it mainly how things are applied for the consumer to view the content.

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Books are a different medium entirely although I'd still argue a rape fantasy book should be kept FAR away from kids as well lol.

Also the whole point isn't MY issue with the game, it's that sexual content unlike violent content has been proven to hurt the development of kids and this is over the top sexual content and the only thing stopping kids from viewing it are an adult filter which is not hard to figure out. Obviously kids can elsewhere to get it sure, obviously we cant and shouldn't ban it from everywhere it would be re-uploaded or something regardless. But that's no reason to not try and limit there exposure to it right?

saw your edit, gonna have to disagree a bit here, for starters the moment you bring kids into this, you need to understand, "adult content" has nothing to do with kids period. Go to bar to drink alcohol, why would a child want to come to a bar, they wouldn't, same with brothel, clearly a child will not be there, so again kids have no role, nor play in adult content.

If fear of kids seeing adult content it's is the parent responsibility to watch their kids, and manage what goes on, and up to the parent how they teach their kids when comes to adult stuff, but they do not need to explain everything either. Kind of the point of sex Ed in schools as kids get older for something of understanding gener difference.

Now yea they can tone things down, but that up to the content creator, not the viewer, if the viewer doesn't like the content it same rules apply, not meant for you that simple as it can be.

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All of good points but say GOT for example, That is not really something I would consider for kids it is HBO they are known for boobs and blood lol. It comes up in video games as well but you are normally saving a girl and even then they dont actually show penetration, the worst ive seen is clothing being ripped off to expose the brest and what normally happens to the rapist bad guy? He is killed or something bad happens as well as making it clear he is evil.

The game I am referring to shows everything uncensored, penetration and all. That's not even allowed on HBO.

I get what you mean, but this is old classic method where bad guy get what coming, and not succeed with their intent/plan it's been used in general media for long time for wide range even in kids shows, not talking about rape, but the practice idea, compare to where ones that do succeed in doing what they wanted.

When watch something where they succeed story either change for the good, or worse, but it adds to it, as well to characters too, again this depends how story was handle in the direction where they're heading, and taken it, the problem isn't rape in the story really but more how it was applied, and how story was handle, such as the plot.

HBO isn't against rape, but they want something to be lessened as crossing line for ratings at that point, that why they opt for how the bad guy somehow always lose, mess up, or whatever reason to stopping them, this is where you were expecting something to happen, but didn't where give you false expectations to assume what would happen, compare to what does happen if bad guy didn't lose, or whatever.

When bad guy wins, you assume the worse, don't even have to see it to know what happen, but this adds to things is what I'm talking about. And yes there is bad shows, movies and such, even if it has rape, attempt rape, or not, it mainly how things are applied for the consumer to view the content.

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Books are a different medium entirely although I'd still argue a rape fantasy book should be kept FAR away from kids as well lol.

Also the whole point isn't MY issue with the game, it's that sexual content unlike violent content has been proven to hurt the development of kids and this is over the top sexual content and the only thing stopping kids from viewing it are an adult filter which is not hard to figure out. Obviously kids can elsewhere to get it sure, obviously we cant and shouldn't ban it from everywhere it would be re-uploaded or something regardless. But that's no reason to not try and limit there exposure to it right?

saw your edit, gonna have to disagree a bit here, for starters the moment you bring kids into this, you need to understand, "adult content" has nothing to do with kids period. Go to bar to drink alcohol, why would a child want to come to a bar, they wouldn't, same with brothel, clearly a child will not be there, so again kids have no role, nor play in adult content.

If dear of kids seeing adult content it's is the parent responsibility to watch their kids, and manage what goes on, and up to the parent how they teach their kids when comes to adult stuff, but they do not need to explain everything either. Kind of the point of sex Ed in schools as kids get older for something of understanding gener difference.

Now yea they can tone things down, but that up to the content creator, not the viewer, if the viewer doesn't like the content it same rules apply, not meant for you that simple as it can be.

Ok on the HBO thing Im pretty sure they legally can't show without it being porn. Also "HBO isn't against rape" I get what you mean by this but It made me laugh at first lol

Also to say kids have no interest in adult content is not true, Like yeah a 5 year kid wont but a 12 year old will. Not something I would want a 12 year old to see at all.

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Ok on the HBO thing Im pretty sure they legally can't show without it being porn.

Also to say kids have no interest in adult content is not true, Like yeah a 5 year kid wont but a 12 year old will. Not something I would want a 12 year old to see at all.

Never said they wouldn't be interest, I said they have no role in it.