Ban?

[zuniger]

Steam really should ban some of these games, like If you wanna play some dating sim that's fine I dont care if it has sex scenes. But I feel like Rape is a good place to draw the line? "Natzukis life in prison" was a game I saw when browsing specials, its literally about a girl getting raped in prison. Im not super religious or uptight but like wtf is that? Not like it's hard for kids to buy this crap at all. Like two consenting adults doing it is one thing, but this is just some pervs fantasy.

[Taebrythn]

So does yours. you say a bunch of things happen in the game without owning it. that is the problem. your entire basis if from the store page nothing else. you have no idea about the game except what you read. as to your name you even admit it that it's not the first time you had to change it and will do it again. see the problem there? you're attempting to take the moral high ground without any knowledge and hypocrisy.


also Steam also says you need to be at least 13 to have an account. yes we know parents ignore this and setup an account. yes there have been controversial games like hatred or school shooter etc. Without owning the game you mentioned you can't say what happens/doesn't in it. [/quote]
The game TELLS YOU SHE IS RAPED like wtf [/quote]


lol yet you know nothing more then that. yes the game might not be morally ok but you need more then just a store page. lol yet Gta has prostitution, sex, violence, drugs, nudity and kids play that. i doubt you're crusading there against that stuff.

[zuniger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Taebrythn:

So does yours. you say a bunch of things happen in the game without owning it. that is the problem. your entire basis if from the store page nothing else. you have no idea about the game except what you read. as to your name you even admit it that it's not the first time you had to change it and will do it again. see the problem there? you're attempting to take the moral high ground without any knowledge and hypocrisy.


also Steam also says you need to be at least 13 to have an account. yes we know parents ignore this and setup an account. yes there have been controversial games like hatred or school shooter etc. Without owning the game you mentioned you can't say what happens/doesn't in it.

The game TELLS YOU SHE IS RAPED like wtf

[/quote] lol yet you know nothing more then that. yes the game might not be morally ok but you need more then just a store page. lol yet Gta has prostitution, sex, violence, drugs, nudity and kids play that. i doubt you're crusading there against that stuff. [/quote]



See you are trying to compare sexual content to straight up porn, Not sure how you even see them in the same category. Screenshots and store page show me what is in the game so I'm not sure why you think thats even a real argument. We both know its interactive porn bro idk why you feel the need to blatantly deny it.

[Ogami]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Neferata:

You can see other peoples screenshots on their profile page that they upload, even if its to a gamehub. Unless the person uploaded it wrong. Cause a lot of the skyrim adult screenshots I could see also going to the persons profile.

False. You can not see screenshots of Adult Only games on peoples profiles.
They dont appear on that users screenshot list for strangers unless they also have "adult sexual content" activated in their preferences.
Also yes, you still cant publish those screens openly on your profile of course.
Also Skyrim is not marked as "adult only" so if someone uploads a screenshot to that game with some modded sexual content its visible for everyone.
And that not allowed by the Steam TOS.

Same for pornographic games that get sold censored on Steam and can be uncensored with a patch. Those screens are also not allowed but most of those games even have protection against taking screenshots of the uncensored version build in and you just get a blurry screen.

[FOXDUDE69]

Ban? That's a bit too harsh.
It's not like it's an asset flip or something.
The art looks decent enough.
I just wishlisted it. Thanks, mate.

[Coffee]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Ogami:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Neferata:

You can see other peoples screenshots on their profile page that they upload, even if its to a gamehub. Unless the person uploaded it wrong. Cause a lot of the skyrim adult screenshots I could see also going to the persons profile.

False. You can not see screenshots of Adult Only games on peoples profiles.
They dont appear on that users screenshot list for strangers unless they also have "adult sexual content" activated in their preferences.
Also yes, you still cant publish those screens openly on your profile of course.
Also Skyrim is not marked as "adult only" so if someone uploads a screenshot to that game with some modded sexual content its visible for everyone.
And that not allowed by the Steam TOS.

Same for pornographic games that get sold censored on Steam and can be uncensored with a patch. Those screens are also not allowed but most of those games even have protection against taking screenshots of the uncensored version build in and you just get a blurry screen.

So...extremely limited since steam doesn't want people to view this content. Just as I pretty much said.

If steam wanted people to view this content and avoid kids viewing it, they'd allow anyone 18+ to view this content. But they don't, so its as I said...steam is very happy to ban people for posting adult content EXCEPT in extremely limited situations.

So its the exception not the rule. Again as I pretty much said...steam doesn't want this content to be visible. Sadly they make these adulthub games very easy to see for people.

[secuda]

The fact is we can just ignore certain genre or individuall games, should be enough for anyone at steam these days.
Becide a report function exist if you think its breaking any of the Steams rules.

[Pscht]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย secuda:

The fact is we can just ignore certain genre or individuall games, should be enough for anyone at steam these days.

Believe it or not, some people WANT to be offended. That way they think they are on the "right" side of an argument.

[secuda]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Pscht:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย secuda:

The fact is we can just ignore certain genre or individuall games, should be enough for anyone at steam these days.

Believe it or not, some people WANT to be offended. That way they think they are on the "right" side of an argument.

Yea to some degree, allthough there was an incident where a dev few years ago, where pretty much had it in title and it was a main theme, wich is very much against steams rules. He had his game removed on steam.

[zuniger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Pscht:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย secuda:

The fact is we can just ignore certain genre or individuall games, should be enough for anyone at steam these days.

Believe it or not, some people WANT to be offended. That way they think they are on the "right" side of an argument.

Yeah the people defending the rape simulator are on the morally correct side of the argument lol. I get the same arguments from MAPS "Let people enjoy things" or "you choose to be offended" or "you morals are everyone's" Like these are all the same talking points used to defend and normalize pedophilia and that's why i find it upsetting. Im apparently some religious zelot for wanting to put more of a barrier between kids and rape porn? Im not "offended' by it mind you Im concerned by it. There are multiple studies suggesting exposure to porn at a young age is BAD. there is ZERO evidence supporting violence in games cause violent kids. Thats why I find it ridiculous when people say "oh you play gta" Like GTA is not interactive porn!

[primeinsurrection]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Octavius Rex:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Pscht:

Believe it or not, some people WANT to be offended. That way they think they are on the "right" side of an argument.

Yeah the people defending the rape simulator are on the morally correct side of the argument lol. I get the same arguments from MAPS "Let people enjoy things" or "you choose to be offended" or "you morals are everyone's" Like these are all the same talking points used to defend and normalize pedophilia and that's why i find it upsetting. Im apparently some religious zelot for wanting to put more of a barrier between kids and rape porn? Im not "offended' by it mind you Im concerned by it. There are multiple studies suggesting exposure to porn at a young age is BAD. there is ZERO evidence supporting violence in games cause violent kids. Thats why I find it ridiculous when people say "oh you play gta" Like GTA is not interactive porn!

This reminds me of something. I have family that is in prison and other family that retired working at prisons. All those millennials that got arrested at the protests a while back, were tortured to death in prison. Punching Nazis and saying child molesting is a valid sexual preference isnt the best way to prolong your life, especially in places like prison.
Its a harsh truth but the reality is the fate of most millennials that were never raised is not good. When mom is too old and tired of taking care of her adult son, they have to figure out how to go outside and talk to people face to face, then depend on those people to survive. It usually doesnt work. In my city the streets and covered in people living in cars and tents, and Im in Colorado where it gets -40 in the winters. And its 90% millennials. Its sad. But they are right there screaming capitalism is bad and smoking their drugs like morons. If you like take a shower and get a job you should be the king of your people in the future.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Octavius Rex:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Pscht:

Believe it or not, some people WANT to be offended. That way they think they are on the "right" side of an argument.

Yeah the people defending the rape simulator are on the morally correct side of the argument lol. I get the same arguments from MAPS "Let people enjoy things" or "you choose to be offended" or "you morals are everyone's" Like these are all the same talking points used to defend and normalize pedophilia and that's why i find it upsetting. Im apparently some religious zelot for wanting to put more of a barrier between kids and rape porn? Im not "offended' by it mind you Im concerned by it. There are multiple studies suggesting exposure to porn at a young age is BAD. there is ZERO evidence supporting violence in games cause violent kids. Thats why I find it ridiculous when people say "oh you play gta" Like GTA is not interactive porn!

False equivalences and ad hominem against users who disagree with you only show you're here to be troublesome and stir the pot so to speak.

Your ONLY arguments so have have been boiled down to "think of the children" and "well...because it's wrong!" And when presented an idea outside of your desired reaction, you namecall or try to discredit someone by practically saying they're sick/akin to a pedophile.


Sit down. Steam already made their decision, if you want to take it up with them, then do it. Don't sit here and try to play morality police.

[zuniger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย <Insert Kazoo Circus Music Here>:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Octavius Rex:

Yeah the people defending the rape simulator are on the morally correct side of the argument lol. I get the same arguments from MAPS "Let people enjoy things" or "you choose to be offended" or "you morals are everyone's" Like these are all the same talking points used to defend and normalize pedophilia and that's why i find it upsetting. Im apparently some religious zelot for wanting to put more of a barrier between kids and rape porn? Im not "offended' by it mind you Im concerned by it. There are multiple studies suggesting exposure to porn at a young age is BAD. there is ZERO evidence supporting violence in games cause violent kids. Thats why I find it ridiculous when people say "oh you play gta" Like GTA is not interactive porn!

False equivalences and ad hominem against users who disagree with you only show you're here to be troublesome and stir the pot so to speak.

Your ONLY arguments so have have been boiled down to "think of the children" and "well...because it's wrong!" And when presented an idea outside of your desired reaction, you namecall or try to discredit someone by practically saying they're sick/akin to a pedophile.


Sit down. Steam already made their decision, if you want to take it up with them, then do it. Don't sit here and try to play morality police.

This whole argument is based on morals and whether or not it's a morally right thing to have the game on here. My entire argument is about the safety of children's mental health and development. Those are not real arguments? Iv'e gotten mostly ridicule and accusations NOT arguments. You also ignore all the times ive offered to compromise. Not a single person has tried to meet me on any middle ground.

[Crazy Tiger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Octavius Rex:

\This whole argument is based on morals and whether or not it's a morally right thing to have the game on here. My entire argument is about the safety of children's mental health and development. Those are not real arguments? Iv'e gotten mostly ridicule and accusations NOT arguments. You also ignore all the times ive offered to compromise. Not a single person has tried to meet me on any middle ground.

Morals are not black & white or set in stone. What's morally right for person A is different for person B or person C. Heck, people not liking the game but not having an issue with it being sold is also part of peoples morals. People understanding the difference between a game and reality, also is part of peoples morals. The thing is that "morals and ethics" are human constructs that differ depending on upbringing, culture and other reasons and in reality ultimately are preferences.

In this thread you said other people haven't brought in "real arguments". If you consider the arguments and opinions of people not agreeing with you to "not be real", then your own arguments and opinons can be considered "not real" as well. It's not a one way street. Just because you don't agree with people does not mean that their arguments and opinions are less valid or "not real".

The argument "think of the children" in the end is one that has little meaning for people when there exists a Google where those children will find much worse stuff in seconds. Especially when Steam offers all kinds of parental tools and filters to utilise and it's the responsibility of the parents to educate their children to properly and safely use the Steam store and the internet as a whole. And with the Adult Only filter active, which it is by default, such games simply do not come up in any searches, lists or pages on Steam.
Personally I severely dislike the nowadays mentality that stores, schools, etc are somehow responsible to cover for parental lazyness. If parents don't take the effort to understand what their kids are doing and what's part of it, that's their issue. I think a store has to offer tools to help parents, but they don't have to stop selling things that are nicely tucked away and can be hidden.

People don't have to meet you on middle ground. If people disagree with you, don't consider things a problem or consider the existing filters and such to be sufficient, they don't have to compromise. Same, obviously, goes for you.

In the end it's up to Valve to decide what they do or do not want in their store. And unlike what people sometimes seem to think, the importance of these threads and discussions is not high at all.
Valve decides whether they want to allow a game or not, not people on a forum. So the best thing you can do is what has been said in this thread before. You report the game through the store page, you indicate your issue with it and you let Steam support look at it and make their decision. If they act on it and remove the game, that's ok. If they dismiss the report and don't remove the game, that's ok as well.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Octavius Rex:

Like GTA is not interactive porn!

But it has a mission with interactive torture. How is that "morally" right?

[zuniger]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Crazy Tiger:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Octavius Rex:

\This whole argument is based on morals and whether or not it's a morally right thing to have the game on here. My entire argument is about the safety of children's mental health and development. Those are not real arguments? Iv'e gotten mostly ridicule and accusations NOT arguments. You also ignore all the times ive offered to compromise. Not a single person has tried to meet me on any middle ground.

Morals are not black & white or set in stone. What's morally right for person A is different for person B or person C. Heck, people not liking the game but not having an issue with it being sold is also part of peoples morals. People understanding the difference between a game and reality, also is part of peoples morals. The thing is that "morals and ethics" are human constructs that differ depending on upbringing, culture and other reasons and in reality ultimately are preferences.

In this thread you said other people haven't brought in "real arguments". If you consider the arguments and opinions of people not agreeing with you to "not be real", then your own arguments and opinons can be considered "not real" as well. It's not a one way street. Just because you don't agree with people does not mean that their arguments and opinions are less valid or "not real".

The argument "think of the children" in the end is one that has little meaning for people when there exists a Google where those children will find much worse stuff in seconds. Especially when Steam offers all kinds of parental tools and filters to utilise and it's the responsibility of the parents to educate their children to properly and safely use the Steam store and the internet as a whole. And with the Adult Only filter active, which it is by default, such games simply do not come up in any searches, lists or pages on Steam.
Personally I severely dislike the nowadays mentality that stores, schools, etc are somehow responsible to cover for parental lazyness. If parents don't take the effort to understand what their kids are doing and what's part of it, that's their issue. I think a store has to offer tools to help parents, but they don't have to stop selling things that are nicely tucked away and can be hidden.

People don't have to meet you on middle ground. If people disagree with you, don't consider things a problem or consider the existing filters and such to be sufficient, they don't have to compromise. Same, obviously, goes for you.

In the end it's up to Valve to decide what they do or do not want in their store. And unlike what people sometimes seem to think, the importance of these threads and discussions is not high at all.
Valve decides whether they want to allow a game or not, not people on a forum. So the best thing you can do is what has been said in this thread before. You report the game through the store page, you indicate your issue with it and you let Steam support look at it and make their decision. If they act on it and remove the game, that's ok. If they dismiss the report and don't remove the game, that's ok as well.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Octavius Rex:

Like GTA is not interactive porn!

But it has a mission with interactive torture. How is that "morally" right?

There is no evidence supporting violence in video games makes kids violent. However having access to porn at to young an age DOES cause deficiencies. Also why does it matter if they can find it on google? You can find almost anything on google that's the whole point!! By your logic we can post this stuff in any public area right? Why not post ad's for this on trains? Steam is not even a search engine so comparing the two is silly. ALSO you say people dont have to meet me on middle ground yet also say "False equivalences and ad hominem against users who disagree with you only show you're here to be troublesome and stir the pot so to speak." Comparing Steam to google IS a False equivalence. It's also not an Ad hominem to say a rape fantasy simulator is for rapist to get there "sick kicks" You can check the game bro that's exactly what it is. Like I am willing and open to hear any ideas of compromises but after 11 pages I'm the only one willing to give any ground. It's insulting to say IM the difficult one considering you contradicted yourself almost immediately.

[MonkehMaster]

People still trying to argue that a game about prison rape isn't bad... guess I'm not surprised... it is steam...