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Valve is reviewing the entire Steam catalog on Deck. (Not your PC or 3 other devices)
After each game is reviewed, it is categorized for its level of compatibility of Steam Deck. You’ll see these categories on Steam, when you’re browsing your library or shopping for games on Deck. (Only for Deck, not your PC or 3 others devices).
If you are going to post images, post one with more relevance - https://ibb.co/PmxPm2z
Steam Deck is a singular device it has the same hardware specs for everyone only the storage is different depending on the model. If a game works well on your Deck that same game will work on another person's Deck. Think of a Steam Deck as a PSVita, PSP, 3DS, 3DSXL etc.
Your PC (for example) on the other hand is unique to you, it has it own quirks, issues. For example i have Prey 2017 and have no issues running it but someone else with a 3060 does have stuttering issues.
Back on topic - you want a guarantee with your suggestion that ALL games will work on ALL your current devices after all you would not have posted - lower end laptop, only 30% of games work, rather than - you not checking the game specs and buying a cheap laptop and expecting everything to run
Valve, are not going to create a tool for other devices (liability) whereas you on the other can create that easy to code tool to do it for you but the question is will you release it into the public domain and there are only two possibilities, yes or no.
Yes - but with a disclaimer - cannot guarantee every game will work on your device - removing liability or No - you will not open yourself to liability.
Yep, and in fact they even SAY their staff is going thru and testing games before updating. Which is entirely possible when you have a single fixed configuiration of hardware/software.
It is NOT possible when you have trillions of combinations of hardware and software.
They also as pointed out aren't saying it will run well, just that it will boot, controllers will work, etc. They aren't promising its in a playable state, just that it can run. Now it might run at 1 FPS, but it will run....
It doesn't state it will run on Deck, it states it will run "Great on Deck" and with Proton Compatibility layer and constant updates from developers constantly changing the Compatibility of Windows games to run on Linux, they can not guarantee that. So as NxMachina has said by his own admission, Valve must be liable for telling me it works "Great on Deck" when it runs at 1FPS or doesnt run at all.
Either its Liable or it isn't, which is it?
"Great on Deck" means it is running and very playable on Deck.
Game gets update from developer, its in the Store as "Great on Deck" but no longer works anymore on Deck. Are they Liable ?
No. Software is known to have patches. If a developer breaks a game on Deck they need to fix it.
Its not the developer who fixes it because they develop games for Windows, it is the Proton Compatibility layer that converts the game from Windows to Linux that would need patching.
Why would they need to patch the game for a platform its not designed for? that is down to Valve and CodeWeavers or the community who manage Proton to patch the game so it is compatible.
Any game that doesn't work anymore would be left as a report on the ProtonDB website.
Or are now you telling me that Valve will have to review every game on the device, every time a game gets a minor patch or update? Taking it out the Steam Store "Great on Deck" category repeatedly.
Some games that release micro updates can be up to 5 updates a day. Are you telling me Valve are going to test and review the same Game in the store 5 times a Day?
That would require manpower of at least 1 tester per developer, its totally un-achievable, not to mention the cost. It would make the Deck un-viable..
Changing the goalposts again because you are not getting the answers you expect. If you ask a question in print, do not forget the question asked.
Yes the game gets an Update from the developer for Windows, they don't release patches for Proton. The Update then breaks the game on Proton. So the game would no longer work on Deck, but would work on Windows,
If the game is still in Great on Deck" category in the store and it doesnt work anymore.
Are Valve Liable ?
All of these are contextuall based on the person saying it. and how they define and use the word and thusly, your idea of 'Great' may not be 'their idea of 'Great' and since they're the ones saying and defining the term, they also cannot be charged with false advertising.
For all you know Great is based on certain benchmarks.
Works - Game boots up.
Works well - Game Boots up, full hardware capabilities are operational.
Works Great. Game Boots Up, Full hardware capabilities and maintains a stable 23fps on medium settings.
LOok. You really clearly are desperate to believe here. Beyond the point of rationale.
And I think you know this m8. Because if you thought it was easy, that it was something simple, then you'd be following through on what you said about creatting your own tool to deal with it and not lingering here defending the idea and your personal attatchment to it.
I mean as said. EIther you're a genius, or there's a very good reason even companies like microsoft haven't done something like this.
No. Valve are not liable.
The developer created the UPDATE, that selfsame UPDATE breaks the game on Proton. Why then is Valve responsible? Care to explain.
You have just pointed that at me, saying I would take "Works Great on Device" as a Guarantee and Valve would be liable. But "Works Great on Deck" Valve are not liable because its just "marketing Hype Blurb ". You need to seriously keep some consistency to the arguments.
You said if Valve state that game "Works Great on Device" and it doesn't they would be Liable.
You said if Valve state that game "Works Great on Deck" and it doesn't they would be Liable. You said it all the way through this thread.
Now are by your own admission pointing out Valve are Liable for stating a game will work and you purchase it and it doesn't work? You keep contradicting yourself repeatedly. Are they Liable or not?
We have not talked about Deck through this entire thread.
Secondly i answered your question.
With:
And again when you asked:
With:
Steam Deck doesnt come pre installed with Windows it comes with Steam OS, so the Proton Compatibility layer. Games that once did work and now don't anymore because of Developer update will be in the store labeled "Great on Deck".
No they don't, Proton is maintained by Valve and CodeWeavers and is a Compatiility layer to run Windows games. The Developer just updates their game for their main player base, the Windows Platform.
So now your saying Developers have to support Linux users for a game a that they designed for Windows? They don't, they release an update for Windows, then if broken, Proton will be patched by Valve for the game to work.
That means that the game will be in the store and described by Valve as "Great on Deck" and it simply wont work. Who is Liable ? the Developer who didn't design the game to be played on Linux, that has a minimum spec that states Windows Only and you are trying to play it on Linux, or Valve who sold you the game with the promise it works "Great on Deck"
Who is Liable ?