Get rid of the Jester icon and "this review is funny" option

[Jaegeras]

I mean honestly, on top of the unhelpful, meme and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reviews that I see in general for a number of games. The last thing reviews needed are these two and why? Because there's going to be people going around with a level of malice behind some of the actions that they do. You can give an honest review that's constructive criticism, someone finds it funny. They also toss a jester icon on it.

Does Valve at all care about reviewing in general? No, they don't. But they kinda should if it's going to be there at all as a feature. Epic Games has it right by not having user reviews, is because of the childish mentality numerous Steam users has in chipping at and degrading the value of what a review is supposed to be.

A review is supposed to be a guiding beacon to suggest to someone whether or not a game is worth getting. But it just seems like, as with everything online, to be taken as some opinion which it is. Except, if I've learned anything from the internet at all, is that people don't like opposing opinions. They just want circlejerks and validation.

You mind as well not have a reviewing section at all, Valve. It's being treated as a toy.

[Heretic]

Don't use the forums or waste time reviewing anything then nobody will award you. You won't be missing anything.

[Sasori Kigaru]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Ah! another Jester farming thread.

People need to stop "assuming" and "presuming" the Jester award is used to insult others when you cannot know the intent of the person giving the award.

You cannot know the intent of the person giving the award, but it isn't hard to gleam it within the context of the situation.

For example, this entire thread https://steamcommunity.com/app/617830/eventcomments/3057365873425174316/

The update was given the Jester award. Out of happiness? Joy? Laughs? Nope. The majority of them, came from how much of the community disliked that update in particular. Thus the Jester award can be taken as an insult. The update is 'laughable', in a negative context. The devs are 'clowns', in a negative context.

It got to a point where their discord banned the use of that emote in particular, because it was being used to insult people. https://i.gyazo.com/250cff8ff5ff03b507805f2e685ee06c.png

On a technical note, the "Clown" emote being used on discord isn't exactly the "Jester" emote on steam but the same use applies and both are thematically the same and visually very similar.

So the Jester emote, can and certainly does get used to insult people.

Anyway, I don't see the emote getting removed, and I personally think people need to get a thicker skin. A person that wants to bully someone, is going to do it in whatever way they find possible whether its an emote or something else entirely.

[AustrAlien2010]

If you don't want them, then don't use them.

Once a feature is removed, you cannot get the feature back, and then you may feel regret once the feature is gone.

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:

If you don't want them, then don't use them.

exactly

[Nx Machina]

@ Sasori Kigaru

My point was in reference to the OP post not in reference to disgruntled end users taking a dig at developers as the OP post made no mention of developers.

Secondly. Ah! Yes the Superhot VR debacle where users forgot they own a licence to access the content of the game and not the game itself.

And finally Jester is not an insult nor bullying unless you have an agenda to deem it so.

[Sasori Kigaru]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Sasori Kigaru:

You cannot know the intent of the person giving the award, but it isn't hard to gleam it within the context of the situation.

For example, this entire thread https://steamcommunity.com/app/617830/eventcomments/3057365873425174316/

The update was given the Jester award. Out of happiness? Joy? Laughs? Nope. The majority of them, came from how much of the community disliked that update in particular. Thus the Jester award can be taken as an insult. The update is 'laughable', in a negative context. The devs are 'clowns', in a negative context.

It got to a point where their discord banned the use of that emote in particular, because it was being used to insult people. https://i.gyazo.com/250cff8ff5ff03b507805f2e685ee06c.png

On a technical note, the "Clown" emote being used on discord isn't exactly the "Jester" emote on steam but the same use applies and both are thematically the same and visually very similar.

So the Jester emote, can and certainly does get used to insult people.

Anyway, I don't see the emote getting removed, and I personally think people need to get a thicker skin. A person that wants to bully someone, is going to do it in whatever way they find possible whether its an emote or something else entirely.

My point was in reference to the OP post not in reference to disgruntled end users taking a dig at developers as the OP post made no mention of developers.

Seconfly. Ah! Yes the Superhot VR debacle where users forgot they own a licence to access the content of the game and not the game itself.

And finally Jester is not an insult nor bullying unless you have an agenda to deem ir so.

Whether its users using it on other users or devs or even devs using it themselves, point is that the emote can be used as an insult.

However, you are correct in the sense that people can choose to not take it in such a way. That doesn't mean it isn't used in such a way though.

[Watermelon {JESUS IS LORD}]

question is why though when people have common sense to not use them for bullying?

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Sasori Kigaru:

Whether its users using it on other users or devs or even devs using it themselves, point is that the emote can be used as an insult.

However, you are correct in the sense that people can choose to not take it in such a way. That doesn't mean it isn't used in such a way though.

Only if you have an agenda to want it to be an insult.

I have had Jester awards and they are nothing more than FREE points.

[Sasori Kigaru]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Sasori Kigaru
Whether its users using it on other users or devs or even devs using it themselves, point is that the emote can be used as an insult.

However, you are correct in the sense that people can choose to not take it in such a way. That doesn't mean it isn't used in such a way though.

Only if you have an agenda to want it to be an insult.
I have had Jester awards and they are nothing more than FREE points.

Not really an agenda, I don't go around telling people how to use it. It is their choice whether to use the emote with the intent to insult or the intent to compliment or really anything for that matter. The only thing you can choose is how you take it yourself, when it is used at you.

For example, I could use the emote on your reply to me, with the intent to call your thoughts on the matter ridiculous and laughable. Or that you shouldn't be taken seriously. While you, on the receiving end, could take it in whatever way you'd like.

Thus the emote can be used in a negative manner. Just depends on the person using it.

Edits: Fixed the quote error in Nx's reply and added in his edit.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Sasori Kigaru:

For example, I could use the emote on your reply to me, with the intent to call your thoughts on the matter ridiculous and laughable. Or that you shouldn't be taken seriously. While you, on the receiving end, could take it in whatever way you'd like.

You could and i would get FREE points and it would not alter the intent of my wording.

[Sasori Kigaru]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Sasori Kigaru:

For example, I could use the emote on your reply to me, with the intent to call your thoughts on the matter ridiculous and laughable. Or that you shouldn't be taken seriously. While you, on the receiving end, could take it in whatever way you'd like.

You could and i would get FREE points and it would not alter the intent of my wording.

Nor would it alter mine for that matter, like I said. You'd be free to take it any way you wish, while the intent behind the emote (That being me giving it WITH the intent to insult) doesn't change. Thus the emote, can be used to insult. It simply depends on the person. The fact that its free points is irrelevant, as it doesn't change the intent of the person using the emote. Though it COULD be used as a reason instead, the example there being that I use the jester emote specifically to give you free points. But again, I'd have to use it for that reason and within that context.

Really though there are FAR better awards to give, one of them I am pretty sure just says "Take my points" or something like that.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Sasori Kigaru:

Whether its users using it on other users or devs or even devs using it themselves, point is that the emote can be used as an insult.

However, you are correct in the sense that people can choose to not take it in such a way. That doesn't mean it isn't used in such a way though.

Only if you have an agenda to want it to be an insult.

I have had Jester awards and they are nothing more than FREE points.

You individually can choose to brush it off, but that doesn't mean it's not being used as an insult by others.

It's not an "agenda" to be able to notice what other people are thinking and how they are behaving.

Originally posted by Sasori Kigaru:

Really though there are FAR better awards to give, one of them I am pretty sure just says "Take my points" or something like that.

Yeah, there are cheaper awards, as well as awards that give more points, and even other awards that give the same amount of points as the jester award.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Sasori Kigaru:

Nor would it alter mine for that matter, like I said. You'd be free to take it any way you wish, while the intent behind the emote (That being me giving it WITH the intent to insult) doesn't change.

And again i cannot know the intent with which YOU used it, because again YOU assume and presume i would see it as an insult, yet i see it as FREE points.

When i post, i post with intent and know exactly what i am expressing and the wording i have chosen to use.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Sasori Kigaru:

Nor would it alter mine for that matter, like I said. You'd be free to take it any way you wish, while the intent behind the emote (That being me giving it WITH the intent to insult) doesn't change.

And again i cannot know the intent with which YOU used it, because again YOU assume and presume i would see it as an insult, yet i see it as FREE points.

When i post, i post with intent and know exactly what i am expressing and the wording i have chosen to use.

And just because you see it as free points when you receive it doesn't mean it's not being used by others as an insult.

Your view of it does not overwrite the intent of others.

[Sasori Kigaru]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Sasori Kigaru:

Nor would it alter mine for that matter, like I said. You'd be free to take it any way you wish, while the intent behind the emote (That being me giving it WITH the intent to insult) doesn't change.

And again i cannot know the intent with which YOU used it, because again YOU assume and presume i would see it as an insult, yet i see it as FREE points.

When i post, i post with intent and know exactly what i am expressing and the wording i have chosen to use.

As Quint said, how you see it does not change the intent behind it. You see it as free points, because you do not see the award as an insult. This is not the same for everybody.

The award/emote can be used as an insult and is actively used as one. I won't bother explaining how again, there isn't any point in doing so cause I'd just be repeating myself.

My stance on this is unchanging, so we may have to agree to disagree here.