Get rid of the Jester icon and "this review is funny" option

[Jaegeras]

I mean honestly, on top of the unhelpful, meme and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reviews that I see in general for a number of games. The last thing reviews needed are these two and why? Because there's going to be people going around with a level of malice behind some of the actions that they do. You can give an honest review that's constructive criticism, someone finds it funny. They also toss a jester icon on it.

Does Valve at all care about reviewing in general? No, they don't. But they kinda should if it's going to be there at all as a feature. Epic Games has it right by not having user reviews, is because of the childish mentality numerous Steam users has in chipping at and degrading the value of what a review is supposed to be.

A review is supposed to be a guiding beacon to suggest to someone whether or not a game is worth getting. But it just seems like, as with everything online, to be taken as some opinion which it is. Except, if I've learned anything from the internet at all, is that people don't like opposing opinions. They just want circlejerks and validation.

You mind as well not have a reviewing section at all, Valve. It's being treated as a toy.

[40000Aggro]

I wouldn't say remove it, but sometimes it does come off a bit mocking.

[Wai]

Psymon² eredeti hozzászólása:

valve actively encourages mockery and harassment
it drives "engagement"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Or, "disengagement!"!

It seems to me, personally, that blocking is the first step to disengagement, something I am doing more than I want to or feel comfortable with, but the alternative is more uncomfortable.

Using awards to harass seems illogical to me, though I don't doubt some do it and think it is is funny. I hoard my points and only give them to helpful or exceptional posts.

[Mechanos]

Wai eredeti hozzászólása:

Psymon² eredeti hozzászólása:

valve actively encourages mockery and harassment
it drives "engagement"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Or, "disengagement!"!

It seems to me, personally, that blocking is the first step to disengagement, something I am doing more than I want to or feel comfortable with, but the alternative is more uncomfortable.

Using awards to harass seems illogical to me, though I don't doubt some do it and think it is is funny. I hoard my points and only give them to helpful or exceptional posts.

Just for example sake, say you felt a particularly strong opinion about a game, and wanted to share it. So you make a completely honest review, with the intent of sharing it with others. But your review doesn't align with whatever the popular view is, and you're immediately met with funny votes and jester awards, even though your review doesn't have any humor in it. Then out of knee jerk reaction, people quickly looking at reviews might start to look past yours, when they see all the funny votes and jester awards, thinking it must be a bad or inaccurate review.

Do you see the logic now? People that want to attempt to detract from your review, have the option to spend points to do it, or make "funny" votes in an attempt to make it be seen less. That's why they do it. Even if the person making the reviews, chooses to ignore it.. the people reading reviews might not, and unlike how voting that a review wasn't helpful isn't visible, funny votes and jester awards are always visible. It's a similar concept to cancel culture - make the person/thing look bad, in an attempt to make everyone shun or dismiss the person/topic.

[Wai]

Mechanos eredeti hozzászólása:

Wai eredeti hozzászólása:

Or, "disengagement!"!

It seems to me, personally, that blocking is the first step to disengagement, something I am doing more than I want to or feel comfortable with, but the alternative is more uncomfortable.

Using awards to harass seems illogical to me, though I don't doubt some do it and think it is is funny. I hoard my points and only give them to helpful or exceptional posts.

Just for example sake, say you felt a particularly strong opinion about a game, and wanted to share it. So you make a completely honest review, with the intent of sharing it with others. But your review doesn't align with whatever the popular view is, and you're immediately met with funny votes and jester awards, even though your review doesn't have any humor in it. Then out of knee jerk reaction, people quickly looking at reviews might start to look past yours, when they see all the funny votes and jester awards, thinking it must be a bad or inaccurate review.

Do you see the logic now? People that want to attempt to detract from your review, have the option to spend points to do it, or make "funny" votes in an attempt to make it be seen less. That's why they do it. Even if the person making the reviews, chooses to ignore it.. the people reading reviews might not, and unlike how voting that a review wasn't helpful isn't visible, funny votes and jester awards are always visible. It's a similar concept to cancel culture - make the person/thing look bad, in an attempt to make everyone shun or dismiss the person/topic.

OK, I get your point.

Now, I must go look through my reviews to see how many of these I have. :)

There's none so strange as folk!

[Tito Shivan]

Mechanos eredeti hozzászólása:

Do you see the logic now? People that want to attempt to detract from your review, have the option to spend points to do it, or make "funny" votes in an attempt to make it be seen less.

Funny votes don't reduce review visibility.

Wai eredeti hozzászólása:

Psymon² eredeti hozzászólása:

valve actively encourages mockery and harassment
it drives "engagement"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Or, "disengagement!"!

If ten disengage but a hundred engage it's a net gain.

Let's not forget Valve was ok with people littering the forums with badge posts because it drove engagement. They don't always make the wisest choice.

[Mechanos]

Tito Shivan eredeti hozzászólása:

Funny votes don't reduce review visibility.

If someone skips your review, or otherwise believes it must be inaccurate, due to a bunch of funny votes.. then yes, you could say it reduces visibility, even if doesn't specifically lower the review's placing on the "most helpful" sorting. It likely affects how many people find the review "helpful" as well, if they're now questioning it's authenticity. Sort of a snowball effect.

Of course, this is all subjective. But people wouldn't funny vote spam, if they felt it wasn't having some sort of impact. People treat it like a visible downvote, and someone that knows nothing about a game, reading reviews in earnest, has to make a judgement call on what all those funny votes must mean for that review.

[Gin]

Or some report has been made earlier than the other?

[Mechanos]

Kiddiec͕̤̱͋̿͑͠at 🃏 eredeti hozzászólása:

Why hasn't this unhelpful and useless suggestion been locked "to prevent confusion" for being quite old before the recent responses yet, meanwhile this actually still relevant issue got locked? :
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3135044721703449450/

Oh yeah...
because Valve replaced "eh, kind of okay mods" with broken bots that they have to pay.

For the same reason you haven't been banned for making unhelpful and useless replies. You technically haven't broken any rules. Yet. :p

[Crashed]

Everybody blames OP for "farming Jesters" however there is a sticky post in Steam Client Beta Group, by a Valve employee, that has received 10 Jesters already.

[Curious297]

KEEP THE JESTER ALIVE - (Keep your unwanted Jesters here!!)

12 pages about the Jester icon would you ever believe it? Personally I have had my fare share of Jesters given to my posts however, they will always be considered compliments in my eyes because I choose it to and I do not know the state of mind of the gifter so I will be most positive based on the fact I was given free steam points.

There is nothing wrong with the Jester as having a very high position within the Kings court, was the feed, clothed, the only one that could ridicule the king and get away with it, was the Kings' personal messenger and most importantly, he had the Kings ear. He had to be cunning and cool, funny and yet not insulting and was definitely a survivor.

Jesters entertained with a wide variety of skills: principal among them were song, music, and storytelling, but many also employed acrobatics, juggling, telling jokes (such as puns, stereotypes, and imitation), and performing magic tricks. Much of the entertainment was performed in a comic style. Many jesters made contemporary jokes in word or song about people or events well known to their audiences.

Man, what a side hustle, I'd be a jester any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Embrace the Jester

[Connie]

This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.