BILINGUAL REVIEWS

[Viandante]

Simple as that. In my longevous Steam career I've seen many, many users posting reviews both in English and in their native language, me included. However, they must choose between one of the two languages when they share said review, so a good chunk of potential readers is completely erased this way. I was wondering if the staff could add a very simple option to add more than one language.

Oh and... Neutral reviews. We really desperately need that. Curators have something similar, the "informational" reviews... Why can't normal users have something like that too?

Thanks for your hard work.

[Gwarsbane]

Use the search feature for Neutral reviews, it was literally brought up today, in an earlier thread and like the other threads before it, NO. Want more info, use the search feature.

[Viandante]

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

Use the search feature for Neutral reviews, it was literally brought up today, in an earlier thread and like the other threads before it, NO. Want more info, use the search feature.

Your reading comprehension truly baffles me, even though I wrote the title in caps you still missed the point. Neutral reviews was a mere side note, smart boy.

[Matt]

Only allowing 1 language cuts down on spam. People would write their review in one or two languages but then check every language checkbox. Basically the feature got abused.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by Big Smegma:

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

Use the search feature for Neutral reviews, it was literally brought up today, in an earlier thread and like the other threads before it, NO. Want more info, use the search feature.

Your reading comprehension truly baffles me, even though I wrote the title in caps you still missed the point. Neutral reviews was a mere side note, smart boy.

Yet you still mentioned it which is why I posted about it. I would also suggest you stop trying to be insulting.

I ignored the first part of your post because its not something I care if they do it or not. It might actually help some.

If you didn't want people commenting on your "side note" you should not have put it in a post.

[Start_Running]

That would just overcomplicate the review system since they would necessarily have to allow for a different review for each language. Just pick the language you have the greatest efficacy in and writye in that.

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[Viandante]

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

Originally posted by Big Smegma:

Your reading comprehension truly baffles me, even though I wrote the title in caps you still missed the point. Neutral reviews was a mere side note, smart boy.

Yet you still mentioned it which is why I posted about it. I would also suggest you stop trying to be insulting.

I ignored the first part of your post because its not something I care if they do it or not. It might actually help some.

If you didn't want people commenting on your "side note" you should not have put it in a post.

I mentioned it because the more people talks about it the more it's easy it will be implemented, it's only logical. The main topic was something else, however. And no, no one here is insulting anyone, albeit you were pretty aggressive about your original post hence my blunt response, and in fact this hasn't changed and you've gone as far as to admitting that you aren't even reading what I'm writing so it's useless to keep on talking about this and I'll have to block/ignore you since you're not contributing in this thread in the slightest.

Originally posted by Matt:

Only allowing 1 language cuts down on spam. People would write their review in one or two languages but then check every language checkbox. Basically the feature got abused.

That's a fair point, people may easily abuse this feature, although it's only about a single additional slot for another language it still means that many users can use it ad canis... It's sad but I think you're not wrong so imo we can already close this thread.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

That would just overcomplicate the review system since they would necessarily have to allow for a different review for each language. Just pick the language you have the greatest efficacy in and writye in that.

It's not only me though, I saw a lot of people who did the same and it's really a waste sometimes, especially for curators.

[Gwarsbane]

I did read it, I ignored it because it wasn't something I wanted or didn't want.

It doesn't matter what the main topic was about, you included something else, I responded to that. If you don't want people responding to stuff you post... DON'T POST IT. This is the user DISCUSSION forums, where people DISCUSS stuff. Again if you didn't want people discussing it, don't post it. Its a very simple concept to understand.

[Viandante]

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

I did read it, I ignored it because it wasn't something I wanted or didn't want.

It doesn't matter what the main topic was about, you included something else, I responded to that. If you don't want people responding to stuff you post... DON'T POST IT. This is the user DISCUSSION forums, where people DISCUSS stuff. Again if you didn't want people discussing it, don't post it. Its a very simple concept to understand.

That's exactly what you're not doing, discussing. You're just spitting your opinions as if it they were facts, and you are deliberately not listening. Not only it is childish, it's counterproductive.

[Gwarsbane]

My first reply was facts except for where I said no, that was opinion based on the literal hundred + threads about this exact same topic going back as far as I can remember that here has been recommendations on Steam.

FACT Your "side note" that you didn't want to talk about so why bother mentioning, has been posted about MANY TIMES.

FACT it was posted about hours before you had posted.

FACT You should use the search feature BEFORE posting, its even suggested in the pinned topic to search before you post because the "suggestion" you come up with, has a high chance of already been discussed, even "side notes" that you don't want to talk about even though you post it in your post in a discussion forums...

I tried to point out why your "side note" won't be happening, you didn't like how I did it, you insulted me (and yes commenting on my reading comprehension and calling me smart boy are insults no matter what you think they are and no matter how pathetically small those insults are).

So I'm done with this. Again if you don't want to talk about something, don't post about it on a discussion forums. Make a blog or a group, make a post and lock it then no one can talk about your side note.

[Viandante]

Sorry but now it's finally my turn to ignore you, again this is both counterproductive and childish. Please refrain to responding in this thread if you're not contributing. I already stated my points and they're still solid, especially regarding the fact that more people talks about it the better it is. If you're not the brightest tool in the shed who can't comprehend something so simple, sorry but it's really none of my business. Best of luck.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Big Smegma:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

That would just overcomplicate the review system since they would necessarily have to allow for a different review for each language. Just pick the language you have the greatest efficacy in and writye in that.

It's not only me though, I saw a lot of people who did the same and it's really a waste sometimes, especially for curators.

And? YOu decided an acceptable solution was to use the alloted space to write in both languages and other peiople had the same idea. ANd yeah Neutral reviews.. zhey do nothing. Quite literally. If you can't make up your mind on language or on how you actually feel...you probably shouldn't be writing reviews.

Saying lots of other people do it doesn't make for a good argument. Lost of people use essential oils for health. Lotys of people take homeopathic treatments, Lots of people do stupid or silly things, ergo the number of people doing it is irrelevant and quite frankly there aren't many such reviews that i've seen..

[Viandante]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by Big Smegma:

It's not only me though, I saw a lot of people who did the same and it's really a waste sometimes, especially for curators.

And? YOu decided an acceptable solution was to use the alloted space to write in both languages and other peiople had the same idea. ANd yeah Neutral reviews.. zhey do nothing. Quite literally. If you can't make up your mind on language or on how you actually feel...you probably shouldn't be writing reviews.

Saying lots of other people do it doesn't make for a good argument. Lost of people use essential oils for health. Lotys of people take homeopathic treatments, Lots of people do stupid or silly things, ergo the number of people doing it is irrelevant and quite frankly there aren't many such reviews that i've seen..

Nope, I didn't decide anything lol. It was agreed upon many users who thought the same albeit I totally forgot, for some reason, that it can be easily abused. I mean you can still abuse plenty of things anyway in this site, like your bio, groups or whatever. But that doesn't mean we should add more fuel to the fire either, and in fact I agreed with Matt for that matter. What you said about neutral reviews is just your opinion, objectively speaking it can be a powerful weapon and I disagree that it's useless, quite the opposite. There are many games with lots of negative points and equal amount of redeeming ones, but that's just one of many examples. Another one might be early access games, which of course aren't yet eligible for realistic reviews but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be reviewed. Finally, it's better to rectify that more than neutral reviews, informational ones would be better, just like the ones curators have. This doesn't have anything to do with questions like "which language should I use" or "how do I feel about this game" (for the latter, sometimes it's not even a matter of knowing your feelings. Sometimes you know them so well that for that exact reason you can't vote a game negatively nor positively and you either need an inbetween or just a way to comment on it without taking a stance, hence informational reviews). The last thing you said is again, an opinion, hold by an attempt of analogue examples which fails miserably since they're not linked so well. I can see what you're trying to point out but the thing is, if you spent a lot of time actually reading reviews, you can't really say stuff like that. There's plenty of people that use more than a language, and there's plenty of people that want informational/neutral reviews. That's a simple fact and nothing like homeopathic treatments and whatnot.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Big Smegma:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

And? YOu decided an acceptable solution was to use the alloted space to write in both languages and other peiople had the same idea. ANd yeah Neutral reviews.. zhey do nothing. Quite literally. If you can't make up your mind on language or on how you actually feel...you probably shouldn't be writing reviews.

Saying lots of other people do it doesn't make for a good argument. Lost of people use essential oils for health. Lotys of people take homeopathic treatments, Lots of people do stupid or silly things, ergo the number of people doing it is irrelevant and quite frankly there aren't many such reviews that i've seen..

Nope, I didn't decide anything lol.

Hmm...

Originally posted by Big Smegma:

I've seen many, many users posting reviews both in English and in their native language, me included.

Sothis statement you made in the OP was false?

What you said about neutral reviews is just your opinion, objectively speaking it can be a powerful weapon and I disagree that it's useless, quite the opposite. There are many games with lots of negative points and equal amount of redeeming ones, but that's just one of many examples.

So? See this is where one has to weight the positives and negatives . Do those positives make up for the annoyances? Do the negatives overshadow the positives? Just because you like something and/or recommend it doesn't mean it is without flaws or without merit. It is quite possible to recommend something you personally dislike, or not recommend a game you love.

But tell me, what cat a neutral review that a positive or negative one can't do better?

Another one might be early access games, which of course aren't yet eligible for realistic reviews but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be reviewed.

Any game that is being sold for money is eligible for realistic review. I don't know where you got your notion.

Finally, it's better to rectify that more than neutral reviews, informational ones would be better, just like the ones curators have.

And do you understand the difference between a curator review and a user review, do you know what the key difference is? Look into it and you'll understand why its done for curators and why it very likely won't be done for user reviews.

This doesn't have anything to do with questions like "which language should I use" or "how do I feel about this game" (for the latter, sometimes it's not even a matter of knowing your feelings. Sometimes you know them so well that for that exact reason you can't vote a game negatively nor positively and you either need an inbetween or just a way to comment on it without taking a stance, hence informational reviews).

You're still taking stance. Always look at the question asked. Do you recommend this game? That's a question that can only be answered yes or no bnecause anything that is not a yes falls under no.

The question isn't asking how you feel, or how much you like the game. Do you recommend it?

if you can't answer such a simple question.. you really shouldn't be writing a review.. at least on Steam. If you really feel compeeled to revbiew games.. might UII suggest starting your own yioutube channel, blog, or website?

The last thing you said is again, an opinion,

No t what I said in the last paragraph is objectively verifiable fact. people do believe and do all those things. And all those things are silly and have no objective data to back them up.

Which is why the point was. Saying 'otyher people do it/want it' is a very poor/weak argumenty. Because you can say that about any hairbrained idea you can think of.

There's plenty of people that use more than a language,

Never seen them. But then since I use the default sort by helpfulnmess... ttthat might be a factor of the system.

and there's plenty of people that want informational/neutral reviews.

And as I said, you can use that argument for any hairbrained scheme or idea you can possibly think of.

That's a simple fact and nothing like homeopathic treatments and whatnot.

The fact that people happily by homeoppathic treatments and desire them...kinda proves exactly my point.

[Viandante]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Sothis statement you made in the OP was false?

What statement? You're making this more complex than it is.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

So? See this is where one has to weight the positives and negatives . Do those positives make up for the annoyances? Do the negatives overshadow the positives? Just because you like something and/or recommend it doesn't mean it is without flaws or without merit. It is quite possible to recommend something you personally dislike, or not recommend a game you love.

But tell me, what cat a neutral review that a positive or negative one can't do better?

Because no one has the same way to analyze things, hence it's not simply a matter of weighting positives and negatives. A neutral/informational review is as simple as that, just an icon that helps people to understand the bigger picture, which is that this hypothetic user is only informing you about the game while not necessarily taking a stance, for whatever reasons that might be.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Any game that is being sold for money is eligible for realistic review. I don't know where you got your notion.

You know what I meant. An early access game is subject to heavy modifications, hence the review can be obsolete pretty quickly. That however doesn't mean these shouldn't exist. EA games was just an example to prove a point and as such is an argument that really shouldn't be further discussed since that would be mere off-topic.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

And do you understand the difference between a curator review and a user review, do you know what the key difference is? Look into it and you'll understand why its done for curators and why it very likely won't be done for user reviews.

Of course I know, I'm a curator myself so I probably know about it more than you do. That however seems like an implication that normal users are too dumb to use the same means correctly, which of course isn't true.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

You're still taking stance. Always look at the question asked. Do you recommend this game? That's a question that can only be answered yes or no bnecause anything that is not a yes falls under no.

The question isn't asking how you feel, or how much you like the game. Do you recommend it?

if you can't answer such a simple question.. you really shouldn't be writing a review.. at least on Steam. If you really feel compeeled to revbiew games.. might UII suggest starting your own yioutube channel, blog, or website?

Wrong. It simply goes down to how you want the format to be like. Do you want to write a sincere, biased review that only applies to yourself? That's great, because some people actually search for that exact thing. But there are others that would say things such as "I recommend this game IF you are this kind of player"; this implies that the line between yes or no can be very blurred for legitimate reasons. Your comment about where you should post your review is opinionated and trivial.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

No t what I said in the last paragraph is objectively verifiable fact. people do believe and do all those things. And all those things are silly and have no objective data to back them up.

Which is why the point was. Saying 'otyher people do it/want it' is a very poor/weak argumenty. Because you can say that about any hairbrained idea you can think of.

Just like you don't have objective data on hand. I do know however what a fair share of users are asking for and that's... Fact. They're asking for something and that's a few clicks away for you to find out. If those suggestions are right or wrong is another thing and it's not for us to decide anyway, I was merely addressing the fact that these people exist, and what they want is crystalline.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Never seen them. But then since I use the default sort by helpfulnmess... ttthat might be a factor of the system.

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Originally posted by Start_Running:

And as I said, you can use that argument for any hairbrained scheme or idea you can possibly think of.

Originally posted by Start_Running:

That's a simple fact and nothing like homeopathic treatments and whatnot.

With the only exception that what we're talking about has not even been tested, whereas stuff like homeopathic treatments does exist (although in this instance their scientific usefulness is inconclusive at best, but this again is beyond the point).