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「Sk™」 2021年4月30日 8時10分

Hya!

My name is Skye. I thought about the items that you can buy in the points store, and my sister who doesn't buy games but still uses Steam. I wanted her to get a few of the nice items available in the Points store but she doesn't have the points.

Why not make a Points market place, and why not later have the possibility to buy games with points. Making Points a crypto currency exclusive to the Steam platform would generate massive amounts of value to the Games and Steam it self.

But back to the point. Why not make a points marketplace, you already have a system with real money so you just copy it and change values to points.

Steam is my virtual home, and at times my only home. I would like to see my home more comfortable and beautiful than ever.

best regards,
Skye

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Nx Machina 2021年4月30日 12時11分

@ スカイ

Developers, publishers SELL digital items to generate additional income and these can include skins, artbooks, additional characters etc. You buy those with money. You buy games with money and in return you receive a licence to download, install and play a game.

Steams points are awarded as a bonus to GET items, NOT purchase them from the points store, as you are not asked for payment information as they have NO monetary value.

They are items to enhance your profile etc only.

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「Sk™」 2021年4月30日 12時26分

Nx Machina の投稿を引用：
@ スカイ

Developers, publishers SELL digital items to generate additional income and these can include skins, artbooks, additional characters etc. You buy those with money. You buy games with money and in return you receive a licence to download, install and play a game.

Steams points are awarded as a bonus to GET items, NOT purchase them from the points store, as you are not asked for payment information as they have NO monetary value.

They are items to enhance your profile etc only.

If you think that way then probably they only should be that. But then again, you can't usually trade reward points from any source to actual money but what I can do is to use S-Bonus card go to a store and buy an item in that store. And when I bought enough items in that store, I can buy myself another item with the reward points.

Reward systems pay themselves, this was confirmed by the Finnish consumer-league back in 2002. Source: Yle news 25.7.2002

and you also do not need to confirm any payment information on Bittrex nor Coinbase to buy and exchange currencies.

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Nx Machina 2021年4月30日 12時35分

スカイ の投稿を引用：
If you think that way then probably they only should be that. But then again, you can't usually trade reward points from any source to actual money but what I can do is to use S-Bonus card go to a store and buy an item in that store. And when I bought enough items in that store, I can buy myself another item with the reward points.

Reward systems pay themselves, this was confirmed by the Finnish consumer-league back in 2002. Source: Yle news 25.7.2002

and you also do not need to confirm any payment information on Bittrex nor Coinbase to buy and exchange currencies.

And the sales pitch is required why?

You got what you PAID for when you confirmed the purchase of the game you wanted.

Steam points are a bonus, a way of saying thank for the purchase - here enhance your profile, nothing more nothing less, and no they have no monetary value because you are NOT paying for them, you paid for the game.

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「Sk™」 2021年4月30日 12時47分

Nx Machina の投稿を引用：

And the sales pitch is required why?

You got what you PAID for when you confirmed the purchase of the game you wanted.

Steam points are a bonus, a way of saying thank for the purchase - here enhance your profile, nothing more nothing less, and no they have no monetary value because you are NOT paying for them, you paid for the game.

Not going to repeat myself, so please read what I already said.

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Satoru 2021年4月30日 12時49分

スカイ の投稿を引用：
Not going to repeat myself, so please read what I already said.

I mean its not super compelling if you cant be bothered to defend your own grift

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Mad Scientist 2021年4月30日 12時52分

スカイ の投稿を引用：
I did know this. But you say again, "demand", that is again a subjective value. There is currently a court case going against Valve in France, if I remember correctly it is about the "Owning of games" which users pay for.

You pay for a license, the first time France went against valve it ended up going nowhere.
They could just ban france altogether for unethical and unreasonable practices as they are not the arbiter of ultimately choosing to override legal agreements between devs/publishers, steam itself, and the users. There was zero point in bringing that up.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
think it would end to it that Valve is just selling a service on which you can run games. So basically making anything that "you can get" on this platform a digital currency. As it would not exist without its platform. Digital ownership is not ownership at all.

You own the item as long as you don't cheat in that game in which everything is locked forever if you do, kind of like how a bank can close your account if you're caught defrauding them.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
TOS and SSA do not stop people from doing it.

There is no excuse for doing so and it would open you up to tax collections for tax evasion if any one person reported you well enough. Tax revenue agencies always want what you're supposed to pay, many have collected even over a single penny.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
Limiting the marketplace to only Steam points would finally stop people from abusing the current system for illegal means. But there also very poor people that can benefit from this, as I have talked to several people who have been lifted out of complete poverty by buying and selling items on the steam marketplace.

It would just subject Steam to far more scams than there already are, I'm not sure who you're parroting or why, but it would not in anyway, period, remove people from poverty by forcing Steam to print money that does not exist from points which have no monetary value but are rewarded for amounts spent for the sole purpose of a profile customization which has zero monetary value. You don't get out of poverty by selling on the Steam market as the money is in Steam Wallet which Cannot be withdrawn. you're clearly trying Deception here, you cannot buy groceries or non steam related physical goods not sold on steam with Steam Wallet.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
You seem to be hater, so hate on. And you do not seem to want to understand my point. ;)

You have no point, you cannot print money from nothing and give it to people from nothing. Money comes from somewhere, and someone will always foot the bill your suggestion is Steams points become real currency, so it's a lose-lose for Steam, period.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
I would almost call you plagiate from a certain wiki. And if you follow the thread, I never suggested Steam points to be a crypto currency, as it would not make any sense, and would only hurt the Valve company.

What does plagiarism have to do with anything? No matter what your suggestion is actually harmful, it would do no good here.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
Purchase rewards... oh yes now I remember the points that have monetary value. Please read more about the airliners that went bankrupt and what happened to their points systems and how people got their money back...

Points and rewards are simply that and nothing else, they're an incentive to keep utilizing a service or system that exists. If you spend so much money, you might get a little something as an incentive to keep using them. Fly 20-50 times? Fly for free once with a possible upgrade to Business to keep you happy to keep spending more. By giving something you incentive, losses can be reduced in certain countries via the tax system but you're putting a carrot in front of the horse.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
It wouldn't benefit me, it would probably benefit anyone else than Valve in a real sense as transactions for things would only happen in that one currency "Steam points".

Anyone else than Valve? That right there, is why they would never, ever make it. You're asking for increased expenditures for power/hydro, cooling, processing overhead, bandwidth for literally nothing to gain from the additional expenses with no potential for increased sales through the thing you're suggesting, which is why it's a horrible idea.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
I do not see why you are not understanding what I'm trying to say, when I have said almost the same thing now 4 or so times and tried to explain it to you and the others. Please come back later and clear your mind and you could understand what is going on here.

Suggest something that isn't literally to deprive a company of income with absolutely nothing to gain because you want it.

And lastly, this overly important gem of a reply:

Nx Machina の投稿を引用：
And the sales pitch is required why?

You got what you PAID for when you confirmed the purchase of the game you wanted.

Steam points are a bonus, a way of saying thank for the purchase - here enhance your profile, nothing more nothing less, and no they have no monetary value because you are NOT paying for them, you paid for the game.

Which debunks basically the entire thread, OP.

Your airline example is where they get points to continue using their flight service, from using their flying service.
Steams point system is a "thank you" for buying something on their service, to earn towards improving a non-monetary profile.
Huge difference.

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Aachen 2021年4月30日 13時00分

Satoru の投稿を引用：

I mean its not super compelling if you cant be bothered to defend your own grift

C’mon, the increasing regulatory-entity attention is practically begging Valve to offer a CC, with all the added KYC/AML requirements the Steam users crave.

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「Sk™」 2021年4月30日 13時01分

Satoru の投稿を引用：
スカイ の投稿を引用：
Not going to repeat myself, so please read what I already said.

I mean its not super compelling if you cant be bothered to defend your own grift

True but you can literally read it in an earlier message. I'm getting tired of people saying, "ugh it would only benefit you" and "ugh you can't make money from nothing" and stuff like that when there is no source, no idea and no practicality in what people say. Please write in substance, something that matters.

Honestly what Gentlebot is saying:
" Blää I don't want it "

But literally this is going off topic.

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Satoru 2021年4月30日 13時07分

スカイ の投稿を引用：
True but you can literally read it in an earlier message. I'm getting tired of people saying, "ugh it would only benefit you"

Yes because that's literally all your idea is.

and "ugh you can't make money from nothing"

And yes this is basically the same thing. These are legitimate criticisms of your terrible ideas that have been so TIRESOME from every bitcoin grifter desperately trying to make their version of their MLM 'actually legit' as opposed to "actually an MLM scam"

You act like you're the first bitcoin grifter here to somehow claim 'your' idea of bitcoin is actually 'different' than the hundreds of other posts all claiming the same thing. Like your arguments aren't unique. Your idea isn't unique. Its just boring typical bitcoin MLM 'justifications'

and stuff like that when there is no source, no idea and no practicality in what people say. Please write in substance, something that matters.

We did, and like a typical grifter you're ignoring criticism because well that's all you can do.

Honestly what Gentlebot is saying:
" Blää I don't want it "

Uh no its literally a dismantling of how bat the idea is, how unsustainable it is, etc.

What you are doing is "uhhhh its totally not a scam really, please ignore the literal hundreds of red flags and just take my fake money without question"

最近の変更はSatoruが行いました; 2021年4月30日 13時09分

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「Sk™」 2021年4月30日 13時15分

Please go ahead, inform me of the issues with the "terrible idea". And why are you calling me grifter, whatever that means, I could take that as an insult.

I'm not ignoring criticism, I have answered and tried to explain to you how it would work.

Now if you are able to inform me in the same capacity or even in better capacity how this would "fail" then please go ahead. I've been waiting for a good discussion on the matter but all I get is repetitive "no it doesn't work", "wont implement", "only cosmetics".

Please explain properly how this is any different from any other rewards system out there? And now in 2 parts because I said 2 things here. 1. Where in a steam points marketplace would exist. 2. Where in a complete eco system on, users buying games, receiving points and then buying other items on the points marketplace and or buy more dlcs or games with the points, which developers can turn into money.

And again, monetary value comes from the value you give it, this is why I and you can buy food in a grocery store with only points. Which I tend to do when I go grocery shopping.

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Aachen 2021年4月30日 13時18分

スカイ の投稿を引用：
.... And again, monetary value comes from the value you give it, this is why I and you can buy food in a grocery store with only points. Which I tend to do when I go grocery shopping.

No it does not.

No matter how vociferously I “give” Monopoly money value, the grocery store won’t accept it.

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「Sk™」 2021年4月30日 13時19分

Aachen の投稿を引用：
スカイ の投稿を引用：
.... And again, monetary value comes from the value you give it, this is why I and you can buy food in a grocery store with only points. Which I tend to do when I go grocery shopping.

No it does not.

No matter how vociferously I “give” monopoly money value, the grocery store won’t accept it.

Well if you want me to show you a video on how I go to the store and buy something with the points money. I can record you a video.

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Aachen 2021年4月30日 13時21分

スカイ の投稿を引用：
Well if you want me to show you a video on how I go to the store and buy something with the points money. I can record you a video.

Shoot the video—I do not believe the store will accept Monopoly scrip.

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Mad Scientist 2021年4月30日 13時23分

スカイ の投稿を引用：
Satoru の投稿を引用：

I mean its not super compelling if you cant be bothered to defend your own grift

True but you can literally read it in an earlier message. I'm getting tired of people saying, "ugh it would only benefit you" and "ugh you can't make money from nothing" and stuff like that when there is no source, no idea and no practicality in what people say. Please write in substance, something that matters.

Honestly what Gentlebot is saying:
" Blää I don't want it "

But literally this is going off topic.

There is no source that your suggestion would be of any benefit when you told us it wouldn't benefit Valve itself.

Which, again, is exactly why it will not be implemented.

I feel like Satoru is really nailing this as well, you can't take criticism/feedback, you overly want to push this and it seems really desperate. Why would they ever implement something they are at a 100% loss over? You can't even provide anything to disprove what I've mentioned especially when you outright said it will not benefit Valve/Steam. That is an actual MLM scheme/grift "give me money to make things better for others", you're asking to steal from steam but are trying to portray it as if it's some beneficial for everyone else bit by taking money from a company that is the middleman of a transaction between a consumer & the dev/publisher ie Valve.

For some reason you ignore almost everything, including me mentioning you cannot be "lifted out of poverty" via Steam Market through Steam Wallet which is something you can't pay bills or buy groceries with - which is overly politically toned from a point that has literally nothing to do with Steam and online gaming vs your regions currency used to pay for such things. Somehow you decided to mix an entire political belief into this where it clearly does not fit, nor does it work in the real world.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
And why are you calling me grifter, whatever that means, I could take that as an insult.

He's right to call you that, it's fully applicable.

スカイ の投稿を引用：
And again, monetary value comes from the value you give it, this is why I and you can buy food in a grocery store with only points. Which I tend to do when I go grocery shopping.

Those points are earned at small percentages/fractions of a purchase which are eventually used to apply a discount or "free" item via the amount you have purchased which makes you purchase on a higher chance. You don't get points by not spending, by spending with a bank rewards card/store rewards card/membership etc and paying bills on time you can get points, but keep in mind whatever you're buying is likely marked up anyway, so over time you're getting the essential difference for a discount/"free" item, clearly you don't understand Economics that well.

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