Zalfir 2021 年 4 月 22 日 上午 10:39
Turn Google Analytics off by default.
Google currently tracks users through Steam via a setting which is set to ON by default. It appeared with the new library. It should be turned off.
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greenraven22 2021 年 4 月 29 日 上午 6:26 
引用自 Tito Shivan
It doesn't have to do with Google Analytics.
https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4145017/view/2947008021747013368

No it doesn't, which I why I think we now need to address the larger problem in the room.

"This is a private group." "Request to join."

I do not now nor will I ever give consent for large corporation to go dumpster diving through my personal data. I am not interesting in "marketing campaigns", "user optics", or whatever trendy buzzwords they use to replace "stalking".

And I think they know this or they wouldn't have quietly slipped this option in, with only a single mentioned on a hidden group. Because given the choice most people do not want to be spied on.

They want to know what I like and dislike? Send me a survey. Don't keep tabs on my browsing history, that's creepy.

Off, all of it, by default. Give the users the option to op-in.

It's exactly this kind of stuff is why I lost all confidence in Valve.


edit:

So you know that "this comment is awaiting analysis"?

https://imgur.com/9lTh2UT

I had to change the wording on this post 3 times before it let me post it.

I am not amused by this AI trick. >:|
最后由 greenraven22 编辑于; 2021 年 4 月 29 日 上午 6:32
Tharon 2021 年 4 月 29 日 上午 6:38 
UTM are anonymized by Valve, so Developers can't associate you to the data.

But yes, isn't something that can be do without explicit consent. This kind of marketing based on tracking people navigation and habit has already went too far.

And the worst is behind the corner. Google's FLOC in chromium is really dangerous, we should publicy ask Valve is they are going (or already have) to enable FLOC inside Steam.
最后由 Tharon 编辑于; 2021 年 4 月 29 日 上午 6:38
Crashed 2021 年 4 月 29 日 上午 9:28 
引用自 davidb11
THe AI comment thing has been there for a long time now and was done to stop spammers and other nasty people.
It's a minor issue when it triggers on someone.
Not sure if he waited, but editing can cause it to go to the back of the queue.
greenraven22 2021 年 5 月 2 日 上午 6:18 
引用自 Tharon
UTM are anonymized by Valve, so Developers can't associate you to the data.

With everything that's happened in the last 2 years Valve's word doesn't really mean much anymore.



引用自 davidb11
THe AI comment thing has been there for a long time now and was done to stop spammers and other nasty people.
It's a minor issue when it triggers on someone.

The fact that it considers criticism and spam the same thing is troubling in itself. It's only "minor" when you're not looking in the right places. When, for example, Dead Or Alive 6 decided to start selling $2000 worth of DLC a lot of angry customers were suddenly classified as "spammers". And the list of infractions goes on with every game controversy.



These analytics need to stop, especially without the user's consent. And this big brother machine oversight needs to stop. At best it will confused legitimate criticism as spam. At worst it can be exploited to silence criticism altogether.

https://imgur.com/pDah1xJ

And honestly the fact that this is vague is concerning.
Tito Shivan 2021 年 5 月 2 日 上午 6:52 
引用自 greenraven22
The fact that it considers criticism and spam the same thing is troubling in itself.
That's not how the AI works.
Crashed 2021 年 5 月 2 日 上午 7:31 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 greenraven22
The fact that it considers criticism and spam the same thing is troubling in itself.
That's not how the AI works.
This user might just be coming up with conspiracy theories all because of the library update and the bans he has suffered from his incivility.
最后由 Crashed 编辑于; 2021 年 5 月 2 日 上午 7:37
Zalfir 2021 年 5 月 2 日 上午 8:10 
引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 greenraven22
The fact that it considers criticism and spam the same thing is troubling in itself.
That's not how the AI works.
Indeed it's not, which highlights the possibility that it's not the AI, but something or someone else.
Zalfir 2021 年 5 月 2 日 上午 10:47 
引用自 davidb11
Yeah. I'm not sure how anyone could claim the AI can see criticism.

The AI would have to have Skynet Level intelligence to understand Criticism.
Or at the very least, pass the Turing Test and then some.

And no one really checks the AI. When it bugs out, it usually takes someone to contact a moderator to have it work.
So what you're saying is, it must be a human going out of their way to mask and remove criticism. Which means Greenraven's central point about Valve going sour in general still stands.
Removing "off topic" (or as normal people call them, "negative") reviews, removing and hiding criticism of Valve and new Steam bugs- I mean features, tracking users and a small array of more off-topic things.
最后由 Zalfir 编辑于; 2021 年 5 月 2 日 上午 10:48
Zalfir 2021 年 5 月 2 日 上午 10:51 
引用自 davidb11
What?
No, really? What?!?!
None of that is even happening!
OOFS.

THe AI can't remove posts.
The people who look at the posts have no biases, and will not delete any random message.

Good grief, Mel Gibson's character in Conspiracy Theory would tell you that's a bit much. :P
Even he wouldn't believe that theory.

Yes, I must be insane, there's no way a dominant market share corporation would do things like that to protect their bottom line.
Tito Shivan 2021 年 5 月 2 日 下午 12:53 
引用自 Zalfir
So what you're saying is, it must be a human going out of their way to mask and remove criticism. Which means Greenraven's central point about Valve going sour in general still stands.
Removing "off topic" (or as normal people call them, "negative") reviews, removing and hiding criticism of Valve and new Steam bugs- I mean features, tracking users and a small array of more off-topic things.
Whenever a "off topic reviews" period is detected (which are not automated) the off topic reviews in that time frame are not removed.
In any case this isn't the subject of the topic here.
Rokonuxa 2021 年 5 月 2 日 下午 1:12 
引用自 davidb11
Okay. I removed the line about Mel Gibson's character, so please edit that out of yours.
I wasn't calling you crazy or insane. I want to clear that up right now.

I'm just saying, that never happened and that wasn't even what he was saying.

You cannot accuse Valve of doing something that no company on the planet would do.
Not even EA or Activision.
[laughtrack]


引用自 Tito Shivan
引用自 Zalfir
So what you're saying is, it must be a human going out of their way to mask and remove criticism. Which means Greenraven's central point about Valve going sour in general still stands.
Removing "off topic" (or as normal people call them, "negative") reviews, removing and hiding criticism of Valve and new Steam bugs- I mean features, tracking users and a small array of more off-topic things.
Whenever a "off topic reviews" period is detected (which are not automated) the off topic reviews in that time frame are not removed.
In any case this isn't the subject of the topic here.
[audience going "oooh!"]

Next up is someone going "you have a persecution fetish" and then the thread gets locked because apparently thats easier (read: more fun) than taking care of trolls.

Anyways, to add an opt-out privacy violation slider and after people notice it, removing it and exchanging it for another opt-out privacy violation slider is just the latest in a now about 2 year long crusade of valve to commit to what appears to be their new motto.

Customers can go [bannable word] themselves.

That, and what appears to be the moderation teams new hobby of raising trolls like sea monkeys.
Sprinkle a few 3 day bans here, where they are called out, lock a thread they derailed there...

Im gonna take my inevidable false ban and go check if the privacy violation slider unchecked itself yet.
Rokonuxa 2021 年 5 月 2 日 下午 1:25 
引用自 davidb11
Roko, what are you on about?
I have no clue what you're saying.
Also, no, we will not build your Basilisk!

I speak the truth, and Spawn speaks the truth.

Also, this is not a sitcom!
Certainly looks like bad TV to me some days.
Honestly, being in some kinda weird bizarro world where people make bad decisions for the sake of it is the only logical explanation left.
Tristin 2021 年 5 月 2 日 下午 1:48 
Wow didn't know this thing came to be. 'Off'ed all.

+1 to default off.
Crashed 2021 年 5 月 2 日 下午 2:43 
引用自 davidb11
Roko, what are you on about?
I have no clue what you're saying.
Also, no, we will not build your Basilisk!

I speak the truth, and Spawn speaks the truth.

Also, this is not a sitcom!
And Steam had been using Google Analytics undisclosed for years. Ghostery extension reveals all. At one point you couldn't even find a mention of it at all in the Privacy Policy, which was a violation of the Google Analytics Terms of Service.
最后由 Crashed 编辑于; 2021 年 5 月 2 日 下午 2:45
Crashed 2021 年 5 月 2 日 下午 3:08 
引用自 davidb11
What do you mean undisclosed for years?
Google Analytics has been used on Steam web properties but they only mentioned it in the privacy policy in the past 3 years due to GDPR.

Section 7 of https://marketingplatform.google.com/about/analytics/terms/us/ describes the required disclosures and was required since before GDPR.
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