Tagging or mentioning people in Steam-related items

[Meyzmo]

It would be a much-appreciated feature to implement an easy method of tagging people and notifying them about replies in Steam-related items like screenshots, artworks, reviews, etc. If there is a way, please inform me of it, as for now, I don't know a genuine way except adding @ before mentioning their name and hope that they see it and reply to my comment.

[Gwarsbane]

As has been mentioned in other threads of this same topic which you would have known about if you had use the search feature, only as long as it can be turned on and off so that you don't get spammed with a bunch of messages because someone decided they don't like you, or wanted to annoy you and that its off by default.

Imagine getting 1000 new messages that you have been tagged for by 1000 different accounts because someone put your name into a troll group and told them "mention spam this person".

Now you don't only get it just once, they do it every hour with different accounts. Every hour on the hour for days on end.

And yes, there are troll groups out there on many different forums that will do stuff just to annoy someone they don't like.


So no thank you, I don't want it at all, but if they do put it it, as mentioned there needs to be an on/off witch and off by default.


I also see this being abused by spam accounts to advertise websites. Put in one of those stupid trading websites, and with a simple program that scoured steam for forum names, it includes 100 to 1000 or more names in a spam post, makes just shy of what ever the limit is for forum posts with free account, wait, then post a bunch more just under the limit. With accounts free to make and the ability to post on the forums, because new people need to be able to ask questions, this is just ripe for spam.

[8-The-General-8]

Interesting... How about just friends list though?

[Meyzmo]

Gwarsbane lähetti viestin:

As has been mentioned in other threads of this same topic which you would have known about if you had use the search feature, only as long as it can be turned on and off so that you don't get spammed with a bunch of messages because someone decided they don't like you, or wanted to annoy you and that its off by default.

Imagine getting 1000 new messages that you have been tagged for by 1000 different accounts because someone put your name into a troll group and told them "mention spam this person".

Now you don't only get it just once, they do it every hour with different accounts. Every hour on the hour for days on end.

And yes, there are troll groups out there on many different forums that will do stuff just to annoy someone they don't like.


So no thank you, I don't want it at all, but if they do put it it, as mentioned there needs to be an on/off witch and off by default.


I also see this being abused by spam accounts to advertise websites. Put in one of those stupid trading websites, and with a simple program that scoured steam for forum names, it includes 100 to 1000 or more names in a spam post, makes just shy of what ever the limit is for forum posts with free account, wait, then post a bunch more just under the limit. With accounts free to make and the ability to post on the forums, because new people need to be able to ask questions, this is just ripe for spam.

With all respect, you look to things in a very negative manner. So just because there are some trolls or bad jokers, that can be blocked BTW, a feature like this can't be applied?! Trolls are actually present everywhere, but measures are seriously taken to battle them. I didn't ask for a feature from space, just an option that is present in most social media communities. You refered to a good point, but you need to cool down bro.

[Mad Scientist]

No.
Steam does not need to be like twitter or facebook, let Steam be Steam. If you want to use a place just to tag people needlessly all day, those two sites exist for "likes", tagging/sharing etc.

[Meyzmo]

Mr. Gentlebot lähetti viestin:

No.
Steam does not need to be like twitter or facebook, let Steam be Steam. If you want to use a place just to tag people needlessly all day, those two sites exist for "likes", tagging/sharing etc.

Tag people needlessly? What? do I look like a troll to you? Sometimes people reply or refer to certain points in my items; I don't see any problem in just mentioning them in my replies to rectify or discuss such points. And yeah, I didn't ask for an entire Steam reconstruction; I just suggested a small feature of mentioning people in my comments. THAT'S ALL.

[Mad Scientist]

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

Mr. Gentlebot lähetti viestin:

No.
Steam does not need to be like twitter or facebook, let Steam be Steam. If you want to use a place just to tag people needlessly all day, those two sites exist for "likes", tagging/sharing etc.

Tag people needlessly? What? do I look like a troll to you? Sometimes people reply or refer to certain points in my items; I don't see any problem in just mentioning them in my replies to rectify or discuss such points. And yeah, I didn't ask for an entire Steam reconstruction; I just suggested a small feature of mentioning people in my comments. THAT'S ALL.

You can subscribe to a thread, you get notified when people post on your profile. For the most part what you want exists. Else, it's needless tagging you can message people directly if you're friends or otherwise use notifications to check and respond accordingly. We do not need to have features that social media sites use.

[Gwarsbane]

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

With all respect, you look to things in a very negative manner. So just because there are some trolls or bad jokers, that can be blocked BTW, a feature like this can't be applied?! Trolls are actually present everywhere, but measures are seriously taken to battle them. I didn't ask for a feature from space, just an option that is present in most social media communities. You refered to a good point, but you need to cool down bro.

I like to try to be very clear on my point which you still seemed to ignore. You mention blocking people.... tell me, how do you block accounts BEFORE they spam you? You can't because you don't know they are out there. And do you know how long it would take to report and block 1000+ accounts a day?

Because you can easily get a hold of 100,000 bot accounts for like 10 or 20 bucks or something. Take 1000 accounts at a time, spam someone till all of them are blocked, then next 1000.... and then next 1000....

And yes, there are some idiots out there who will do stuff like that because they want to be annoying.

Again you can't block someone till you know about them, and when you are getting @ by 1000+ accounts, its going to take a while to block them... also Valve only allows so many people to be blocked if I remember right.

They could also limit tags to say 5 mentions per post and maybe 10 a day total but that still leaves a lot of wiggle room for the spammers to spam thousands of people daily with their scam sites.

All of that is why I said, if Valve does this, they HAVE to have an on/off switch to accept them AND it has to be off by default. But I just don't want it to start with.

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

And yeah, I didn't ask for an entire Steam reconstruction; I just suggested a small feature of mentioning people in my comments. THAT'S ALL.

Sometimes a feature request is bigger than someone thinks it is because they don't think about all the issues it has which is why 95% of the suggestions made are just bad idea. Some of them are meh idea and some, very few are actually good ideas. This is just one of those meh to bad ideas because of all the issues it has and the fact that you can already do most of it with just a few clicks as mentioned already.

[MonkehMaster]

simple answer to this suggestion... NO

you can already subscribe to w/e it is your commenting on, also... if you created it ect.. you already get notifications when someone comments, steam doesnt need tagging/mentioning people.

[Meyzmo]

Gwarsbane lähetti viestin:

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

With all respect, you look to things in a very negative manner. So just because there are some trolls or bad jokers, that can be blocked BTW, a feature like this can't be applied?! Trolls are actually present everywhere, but measures are seriously taken to battle them. I didn't ask for a feature from space, just an option that is present in most social media communities. You refered to a good point, but you need to cool down bro.

I like to try to be very clear on my point which you still seemed to ignore. You mention blocking people.... tell me, how do you block accounts BEFORE they spam you? You can't because you don't know they are out there. And do you know how long it would take to report and block 1000+ accounts a day?

Because you can easily get a hold of 100,000 bot accounts for like 10 or 20 bucks or something. Take 1000 accounts at a time, spam someone till all of them are blocked, then next 1000.... and then next 1000....

And yes, there are some idiots out there who will do stuff like that because they want to be annoying.

Again you can't block someone till you know about them, and when you are getting @ by 1000+ accounts, its going to take a while to block them... also Valve only allows so many people to be blocked if I remember right.

They could also limit tags to say 5 mentions per post and maybe 10 a day total but that still leaves a lot of wiggle room for the spammers to spam thousands of people daily with their scam sites.

All of that is why I said, if Valve does this, they HAVE to have an on/off switch to accept them AND it has to be off by default. But I just don't want it to start with.

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

And yeah, I didn't ask for an entire Steam reconstruction; I just suggested a small feature of mentioning people in my comments. THAT'S ALL.

Sometimes a feature request is bigger than someone thinks it is because they don't think about all the issues it has which is why 95% of the suggestions made are just bad idea. Some of them are meh idea and some, very few are actually good ideas. This is just one of those meh to bad ideas because of all the issues it has and the fact that you can already do most of it with just a few clicks as mentioned already.

You made certain good points. But after all, if there are thousands of thousands of scammers and spammers on Steam, why Valve doesn't bat an eye on them. I know that they can block only a certain amount of people, but there must be a way to ensure the satisfaction and safety of the Steam users. The main purpose of my suggestion was to add something new to the Steam community. Mentioning someone for referential purposes isn't much to ask, but I see that all of you are strongly against it.

Anyway, speaking by your logic we ain't safe from scammers after all, since they can post countless times on my screenshots or any other Steam Item I have in my account unless changing my privacy settings, hence not allowing my items to he viewed by the public.

What I mean that you can't attack an idea just because its surrounding settings are full of problems; the best way is to find a solution to make the idea work. What made me choose your comment as the answer was the suggestion of making a switch for this type of feature which act as a settling ground for both parties.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

8-The-General-8 lähetti viestin:

Interesting... How about just friends list though?

This. This obvious counterargument to the "you'll get spammed!" argument kinda got ignored.

[Meyzmo]

Quint the Alligator Snapper lähetti viestin:

8-The-General-8 lähetti viestin:

Interesting... How about just friends list though?

This. This obvious counterargument to the "you'll get spammed!" argument kinda got ignored.

Yeah, I thought of that, but seeing the overall tone of the discussion, the main idea is not welcome here. That's why I see that continuing to argue on a lost cause is a complete waste of my time.

[Gwarsbane]

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

You made certain good points. But after all, if there are thousands of thousands of scammers and spammers on Steam, why Valve doesn't bat an eye on them. I know that they can block only a certain amount of people, but there must be a way to ensure the satisfaction and safety of the Steam users. The main purpose of my suggestion was to add something new to the Steam community. Mentioning someone for referential purposes isn't much to ask, but I see that all of you are strongly against it.

Anyway, speaking by your logic we ain't safe from scammers after all, since they can post countless times on my screenshots or any other Steam Item I have in my account unless changing my privacy settings, hence not allowing my items to he viewed by the public.

What I mean that you can't attack an idea just because its surrounding settings are full of problems; the best way is to find a solution to make the idea work. What made me choose your comment as the answer was the suggestion of making a switch for this type of feature which act as a settling ground for both parties.

Have you ever played the game whack-a-mole? Not sure if it goes by some other name else where but if you have not look it up because thats what going after scammers is, its an unending game of whack-a-mole. More accurately its like an unending game of whack-a-mole where each head is a hydra head, and every time you hit on, 2 more popup...

They can't ban by IP or anything else to stop them from money new accounts because you can change IPs in literal seconds.

By the time the person realizes that they have been scammed, the items are already gone, transferred off to a dozen different accounts, traded for real money off of steam, the people they traded to, more then likely innocent people.

They could ban people from posting ANY kind of active link from any website... but then people complain and that doesn't actually stop the scammers/spammers because idiots will copy and paste inactive links into a browser window and go anyway. How do we know this? Because we have seen victims of scams admit they did it after Valve cracked down on active links from certain websites by filtering them out.

So then just block the word... which then the scammers started putting spaces in the words...

Are you starting to understand how hard it is?

Oh but they could just sue the websites... Oh but they can't because they need to know who the owners are and going after the websites is VERY expensive. Costing in the 10s of thousands of dollars each at a minimum for the lawyers... and again... whack-a-mole with hydras....


Oh but they could just warn people.... Ohhhh but they do... and people are idiots and ignore those warnings.

Oh but they could ask for ID from everyone.... Ohhh but they can't for many different reasons that have been covered to death in hundreds or even thousands of other threads on nearly an identical topics of how to stop cheaters


Seriously do you think they are just sitting on their hands doing nothing? No they are constantly thinking of ways to stop them or at least mitigate the damage.


If a suggestions is filled with problems, no matter how good of an idea it is... its still filled with problems. Those problems have to be over come for any good programmer to even consider putting the idea in. If those problems can't be overcome, and the risk/annoyance factor for those problems are too high, than the feature will not be implemented.


But even though I am so against this idea because I think it would just mostly cause issues, I have already said one way it could be implemented... with an on/off switch, which is defaulted to off. This way if people turn it on, its their own fault for getting bombarded by spam and they know how to stop that spam, by turning it off.

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

Quint the Alligator Snapper lähetti viestin:

This. This obvious counterargument to the "you'll get spammed!" argument kinda got ignored.

Yeah, I thought of that, but seeing the overall tone of the discussion, the main idea is not welcome here. That's why I see that continuing to argue on a lost cause is a complete waste of my time.

While it would help, it doesn't actually solve the spam people coming from hijacked accounts. Scammers already do blast out a bunch of spam sometimes when they are done with an account.

So they could limit it to friends only, and how about limiting it to friends only who have paid the 5 dollar minimum along with having an on/off switch, which is defaulted to off.

[Meyzmo]

Gwarsbane lähetti viestin:

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

You made certain good points. But after all, if there are thousands of thousands of scammers and spammers on Steam, why Valve doesn't bat an eye on them. I know that they can block only a certain amount of people, but there must be a way to ensure the satisfaction and safety of the Steam users. The main purpose of my suggestion was to add something new to the Steam community. Mentioning someone for referential purposes isn't much to ask, but I see that all of you are strongly against it.

Anyway, speaking by your logic we ain't safe from scammers after all, since they can post countless times on my screenshots or any other Steam Item I have in my account unless changing my privacy settings, hence not allowing my items to he viewed by the public.

What I mean that you can't attack an idea just because its surrounding settings are full of problems; the best way is to find a solution to make the idea work. What made me choose your comment as the answer was the suggestion of making a switch for this type of feature which act as a settling ground for both parties.

Have you ever played the game whack-a-mole? Not sure if it goes by some other name else where but if you have not look it up because thats what going after scammers is, its an unending game of whack-a-mole. More accurately its like an unending game of whack-a-mole where each head is a hydra head, and every time you hit on, 2 more popup...

They can't ban by IP or anything else to stop them from money new accounts because you can change IPs in literal seconds.

By the time the person realizes that they have been scammed, the items are already gone, transferred off to a dozen different accounts, traded for real money off of steam, the people they traded to, more then likely innocent people.

They could ban people from posting ANY kind of active link from any website... but then people complain and that doesn't actually stop the scammers/spammers because idiots will copy and paste inactive links into a browser window and go anyway. How do we know this? Because we have seen victims of scams admit they did it after Valve cracked down on active links from certain websites by filtering them out.

So then just block the word... which then the scammers started putting spaces in the words...

Are you starting to understand how hard it is?

Oh but they could just sue the websites... Oh but they can't because they need to know who the owners are and going after the websites is VERY expensive. Costing in the 10s of thousands of dollars each at a minimum for the lawyers... and again... whack-a-mole with hydras....


Oh but they could just warn people.... Ohhhh but they do... and people are idiots and ignore those warnings.

Oh but they could ask for ID from everyone.... Ohhh but they can't for many different reasons that have been covered to death in hundreds or even thousands of other threads on nearly an identical topics of how to stop cheaters


Seriously do you think they are just sitting on their hands doing nothing? No they are constantly thinking of ways to stop them or at least mitigate the damage.


If a suggestions is filled with problems, no matter how good of an idea it is... its still filled with problems. Those problems have to be over come for any good programmer to even consider putting the idea in. If those problems can't be overcome, and the risk/annoyance factor for those problems are too high, than the feature will not be implemented.


But even though I am so against this idea because I think it would just mostly cause issues, I have already said one way it could be implemented... with an on/off switch, which is defaulted to off. This way if people turn it on, its their own fault for getting bombarded by spam and they know how to stop that spam, by turning it off.

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

Yeah, I thought of that, but seeing the overall tone of the discussion, the main idea is not welcome here. That's why I see that continuing to argue on a lost cause is a complete waste of my time.

While it would help, it doesn't actually solve the spam people coming from hijacked accounts. Scammers already do blast out a bunch of spam sometimes when they are done with an account.

So they could limit it to friends only, and how about limiting it to friends only who have paid the 5 dollar minimum along with having an on/off switch, which is defaulted to off.

Man! You made things seem like there is a whole organization of mafia scammers. Don't get me wrong please, I am not making fun of what you said, but you make things a loooooot bigger than what they are. Anyway, I've mentioned that making a switch can be the best option, and it could be enhanced by including only friends or public options too.

[Gwarsbane]

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

Man! You made things seem like there is a whole organization of mafia scammers. Don't get me wrong please, I am not making fun of what you said, but you make things a loooooot bigger than what they are. Anyway, I've mentioned that making a switch can be the best option, and it could be enhanced by including only friends or public options too.

Because there are whole organized groups (mafias) of scammers, they just don't organize or talk about it in steam anywhere, they use 3rd party websites to do all this. You can go and "rent" 10,000 or 100,000 bot accounts at a time from these groups. Finding them is the hard part and its expensive.

Valve has over 1 billion accounts in total, only around an average of 100million of them are actively gaming per month. What do you think a large chunk of those other accounts are used for? Spamming and scamming. they can't just delete them because there are many innocent people in there that either don't use their accounts often (like for example they are in the military) or they have had them hijacked because of phishing.

I'm done with this topic now, I've said whats needed to be said.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Gwarsbane lähetti viestin:

Meyzmo lähetti viestin:

Yeah, I thought of that, but seeing the overall tone of the discussion, the main idea is not welcome here. That's why I see that continuing to argue on a lost cause is a complete waste of my time.

While it would help, it doesn't actually solve the spam people coming from hijacked accounts. Scammers already do blast out a bunch of spam sometimes when they are done with an account.

So they could limit it to friends only, and how about limiting it to friends only who have paid the 5 dollar minimum along with having an on/off switch, which is defaulted to off.

If hijacked accounts of friends are the problem, note that they already can and do send friend message directly.