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Once your OS isn't supported by the original manufacturer, and only tiny minority of Android devices are running it still, and only a fraction of them are Steam customers... yeah man, you just don't meet the requirements anymore.
Support ends for old OS'es and hardware. Valve doesn't supports Win98, XP or Vista anymore either. I can't see the incentive for them to support ancient android devices that have as few users as those unsupported OS'es had when support ended for them.
And unfortunately those customers this affects generate so little revenue that it's simple not worth any effort. And they're certainly not going to be compelled to release an outdated client for someone to fiddle with. Creates too many issues.
If it doesn't work, people blame Valve. If they have a problem, people blame Valve. Users will always be able to rationalize that it's somehow Valve's responsibility to fix problems and make it all right whenever it's convenient. And there's no reason to subject themselves to that.
"Old" doesn't mean "We can break our own software" and deal with it, only because is "old". Again, initially, Android 4 was supported, but they (Valve) decided to break their older steam client on Android. Android 4 it's not MS-DOS or Windows95. So, it's still usable and some people still uses Android 4. So, if they don't want to fix their own software, at least release source code of old Android's steam client. Yeah I can buy some smartphone with Android 5, and well, what will be the next thing? Support drop for Android 5? They will break steam client on Android 5 too, so what is the point of buying smartphones only because Valve wants you to do this. I only want to use Steam Guard, nothing more, why is so so hard to fix the older steam client for Adnroid?
Again, the steam client for Android 4 is here, and it works, but looks like they changed something in newer clients, and broke the previous versions. So, don't break, or fix the previous one.
I won't buy a new smartphone only because of Steam Guard. Mine works well, and newer one doesn't offer me something new or better. And if I buy newer one, my new smartphone will be "unsupported" anyway, and they will release new version while breaking all previous ones. History repeats as always. I see no point, doesn't make sense for me. So, am I supposed to buy new smartphone every time Valve decides to break their older versions of steam client? just only for using steam guard?
And the only thing I ask for, is just to remove my 15 days of retention. I don't need more.
Please, can you name some of those authenticators? For desktop or Android 4, I don't care. I just want to remove 15 days hold for items I want to sell.
Yes it does. Or rather it means, "we no longer support it and when it breaks it's not an issue we're going to deal with."
Yeah, it is. In the sense they're all dated and unsupported. I mean would you prefer XP and Vista instead? They're much newer, but still just as unsupported. Google doesn't support Android 4.x anymore, lots of businesses have dropped suppoort. And when their legacy app version start to break that's that. No support. No business is handcuffed into supporting an outdated platform just because one user can rationalize why they should.
Keep dreaming.
Android 5 would be next. It's only got a 5% market share and that will drop over time. Give it a few more years eventually support will end and platforms won't support it. And eventually the old version of apps won't function. That's just how things progress.
Well I mean it sounds like it doesn't work if you're complaining about it being broken. So I would say, "It's broken, and they no longer support it. So live with it or upgrade."
Well unfortunately it sounds like you're in a demographic Valve probably doesn't really need to worry about.
If you don't meet the requirements to use the platform, then you don't meet them. There's no exceptions for that.
Steam is not open source software. Neither is the mobile app. Free != open source. Free software can be proprietary. But nice try redefining things for your convenience.
Valve is a private company. They wholly own Steam. It's well within their power to decide how long to support unsupported OSes. People who use outdated technology don't make up a significant revenue stream. They're just not an important demographic. And it's expensive and time consuming to maintain support for legacy systems. There's just no value there.
Once old systems become a burden and no one uses (or so few use) them anymore, I can tell you from personal experience, there's great amount of joy in ending support for old stuff and not caring if your new development breaks it. It's freedom.... well until the new oldest thing becomes a ball and chain you're sick of dragging around...
Thanks, probably the most useful comment!
It's ultra pathetic having to use some third party software just for authenticate. Here good things about Valve, but they like to break their own software very much, even CSGO. Looks like they never test their own bUgdates, and no Valve's developer plays their own games. Hope they change the way of doing things.
It would be best to consider upgrading to a phone that supports a newer version of Android that is supported by Valve.
I wouldn't recommend using the desktop authenticator, since it goes against the point of MFA, having a second device where it's on. But if you feel sure you can keep everything secure, that would be your other best bet.
Google deprecated Android 4, 2 years ago.
Steam isn’t going to support something Google itself has abandoned
It’s your responsibility to meet the minimum requirements, not the other way around
For what it's worth, I installed the Steam android app on an Android 4 device from a while back and both the device and the Steam Guard codes still work for logging into that account. Are you talking about trade confirmations -- is that where things are breaking?
Makes no sense for me, keep buying smartphones only because some people drop support. Well I can buy some smartphone with Android 5 or 6, but those will be dropped too, absolutelly no sense. I understand about dropping support, but at least leave things as is. Stop the support, but don't break. And people call it "progress". Yeah I will use desktop authenticator.
I have my smartphone with everything working, yeah, on a dead old OS.
I met requirements previously, and everything was working. But they broke something.
Valve could to open-source their abandonware software.
That frue, it's not completelly broken. Some thing are working, things like codes or chat. But what I need is trade confirmations, sell on the market without 15 days of hold. The broken thing, has something to do with "webview" component of the Android OS, which is not available for Android 4. At least they could to isolate the old app, and not breaking it only because they changed to webview.
Well the current version of Android is 11 (12 is in developer preview). So I'm not sure why you're obsessed with only upgrading to the next most obsolete version. That makes no sense to me.
When you say "leave things like things as is", what you're really asking is for them to never change or update the systems the unsupported client interfaces with. And that's not reasonable on any level. And since the outdated client is unsupported when they do make changes they're not going to test the old client, that's what unsupported means...
Well it's not previously anymore. It's presently. They didn't break something. They've kept developing their systems to support current hardware and customers. Not holdouts.
Well except you're misapplying the term. Outdated versions of a client aren't abandonware, even if you can slide the word abandoned into describing them. And sure Valve can do anything it wants. But arbitrary calls to "open source" something for your convenience is a little silly.
What you need is a device that meets the current requirements of the system. Or figure out a workaround, like how to get an newer version of android on the device. Like it or not those are your choices.
And again, what you're really asking them is to support your unsupported OS with your request. It's clear you don't understand that maintaining legacy code and making sure you don't break things for an older OS (which requires testing) is supporting that OS. And as explained it's expensive, time consuming, and has no value. Like it or not.