We need a lightweight bare bones platform

[Defiant Squirrel]

Generally speaking all I want to do is this.

Start steam
View games list
Play game

Occasionally I may want to browse the store, visit the forums or post a screenshot, but that really is about it. And before the update I could do all of those things with ease and in a perfectly non irritating way.

Since the update I hate having Steam even running on my system, I no longer enjoy starting it up, there is a feeling of resentment that manifests itself as soon as I see the Steam icon. This new UI is an over-designed mess. I'm no coder but it's obvious to everyone that this is a terrible piece of design, it lags, it crashes, it's increased the number of clicks required to do anything, it's ugly, it's more cluttered, less functional and it's way too resource hungry... everything about it is bad.

Please consider making an ultra lightweight minimalist UI for those of us that want it, literally a list of games and links to community hubs and the store, that's all we need. Give us a bare bones option with basic features and pure functionality that uses virtually zero system resources, if you don't make it someone else will.

[Asassinx1]

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

Originally posted by Nooblander:

How is my opinion as a 10 year customer not valid?

I've no idea what makes you think that, and that's exactly what I'm saying. Your opinion is valid, no matter how long you've been here.

If Valve didn't care, they wouldn't have developed a new UI based on many years of feedback. They also wouldn't be hard at work fixing issues and taking in the new feedback, as they've always done.

If you truly believe that they don't care about you, then why bother posting at all? Derailing other threads by posting blatant misinformation isn't helping anyone, and I wish you didn't do that. It's simply verifiable incorrect.

It's not fair to bother other users that simply want to provide feedback. They've a right to post too.

It certainly doesnt look to me like Valve are listening to the users.

We just want to

OPEN STEAM
SELECT GAME TO PLAY

Because a lot of newer games are more CPU/GPU intenssive gamers tend t steer AWAY from anything load intensive.

This new system is load intensive and uses very high internet.

There are 2 computeers in my house that use steam.
Steam auto updates everytime the pc is started up.
Steam managed to eat 64Mbps of my internet out of 65Mbps on starting up both of the computers with the new steam.
Steam prevented me from streaming or even playing World Of Warcraft for the first hour of my stream until I closed it on both computers.

The NEW Steam is TERRIBLE. REMOVE IT.

[Hodor]

Originally posted by Asassinx1:

Because a lot of newer games are more CPU/GPU intenssive gamers tend t steer AWAY from anything load intensive.

This new system is load intensive and uses very high internet.

Especially with 3rd party engines used to make indie games now like Unreal4 / Unity.

Alot of indie games on steam are now made by people who have little optimisation knowledge and run our systems to auto shutdown temperatures in the tropics very often.

And these devs don't want to invest time learning to optimise either. We need options to keep steam optimal on our end.

[Alucard †]

Yea we do need a lightweight version of steam without pointless bloatware.

Since this trash update my games are stuck in "Preparing to launch <game name>" for about 3~ minutes before game launches. No known fix i tried helped with this and it happens regardless of game. Before it took like 10-30 sec max to launch a game.

As if this bloatware update doesnt have enough other problems already..

[Barking_Death_Squirrel]

Originally posted by *P0P$*FR3$H3NM3Y3R*:

While they are at it they could also look into making it possible to have the Friends and Chat window integrated in the same window.
There is so much buzz about all the new great UI changes, yet they seem to have ignored the fact that it is common sense in UI design lately that you should strive to do a non overlapping modular interface like alot of productivity software does. Having these separate windows is just not really state of the art.
It's really weird, they keep decorating the launcher like a christmas tree, rotating tiles by 90 degrees 15 years in (my favorite 'change' lol), more blinking, more redundant community info, more social media platform stuff but keep ignoring the findings on good UI design that were made in the last years.

That is something that I and many others would HATE!!!
I like having ALL of my conversations in different windows that I can EASILY swap to and even compare information that may come across.
What you ask for is something on a mobile device like a tablet or phone.
PLEASE do not give them more BAD IDEAS.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Originally posted by 🎃Hodor👻:

Originally posted by Asassinx1:

Because a lot of newer games are more CPU/GPU intenssive gamers tend t steer AWAY from anything load intensive.

This new system is load intensive and uses very high internet.

Especially with 3rd party engines used to make indie games now like Unreal4 / Unity.

Alot of indie games on steam are now made by people who have little optimisation knowledge and run our systems to auto shutdown temperatures in the tropics very often.

And these devs don't want to invest time learning to optimise either. We need options to keep steam optimal on our end.

Good gosh, this.

So many poorly optimized games these days.

[nxfs11]

Originally posted by ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Yea we do need a lightweight version of steam without pointless bloatware.

Since this trash update my games are stuck in "Preparing to launch <game name>" for about 3~ minutes before game launches. No known fix i tried helped with this and it happens regardless of game. Before it took like 10-30 sec max to launch a game.

As if this bloatware update doesnt have enough other problems already..

You could revert to pre-cancer steam. Its a workaround, but it brings back all the functionality and speed.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by nxfs11:

Originally posted by ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Yea we do need a lightweight version of steam without pointless bloatware.

Since this trash update my games are stuck in "Preparing to launch <game name>" for about 3~ minutes before game launches. No known fix i tried helped with this and it happens regardless of game. Before it took like 10-30 sec max to launch a game.

As if this bloatware update doesnt have enough other problems already..

You could revert to pre-cancer steam. Its a workaround, but it brings back all the functionality and speed.

I might have to :/ but that method makes me a bit paranoid.
Not to mention they will find a way to cripple it like they did with the old chat ui workaround.

[76561198001062896]

Originally posted by Nooblander:

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

Please don't spread misinformation. If you've nothing constructive to add, please don't post.

How is my opinion as a 10 year customer not valid?

nobody has said that to begin with

however your making some very widespread assumptions here. Just because Valve doesnt personally gives replies to each and every forum user and just because they doesnt cater the client based on your sole feedback alone doesnt mean they dont care.

also for the sake of argument years dont mean much, heck Ive been here at least as long on both of my accounts, its beside the point.

Originally posted by Quint the Alligator Snapper:

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

OP, people have been asking for a lightweight Steam since forever, even before the old UI. I don't know their reasons for not making one, but one could argue that Steam is pretty lightweight for all that it aims to do (current performance issues notwithstanding).

If you don't want to use Steam, might I recommend simply making shortcuts for Steam or closing it whenever you don't use it?

You can also for example right click Steam and play your recent games, and so on.

And if we had DRM-free games we wouldn't even need to start this damn client in the first place!

This is why DRM-free is better than Steam.

then buy drm free

im not sure what kind of answer you wanna to hear really

Originally posted by Asassinx1:

Originally posted by KillahInstinct:

I've no idea what makes you think that, and that's exactly what I'm saying. Your opinion is valid, no matter how long you've been here.

If Valve didn't care, they wouldn't have developed a new UI based on many years of feedback. They also wouldn't be hard at work fixing issues and taking in the new feedback, as they've always done.

If you truly believe that they don't care about you, then why bother posting at all? Derailing other threads by posting blatant misinformation isn't helping anyone, and I wish you didn't do that. It's simply verifiable incorrect.

It's not fair to bother other users that simply want to provide feedback. They've a right to post too.

It certainly doesnt look to me like Valve are listening to the users.

We just want to

OPEN STEAM
SELECT GAME TO PLAY

Because a lot of newer games are more CPU/GPU intenssive gamers tend t steer AWAY from anything load intensive.

This new system is load intensive and uses very high internet.

There are 2 computeers in my house that use steam.
Steam auto updates everytime the pc is started up.
Steam managed to eat 64Mbps of my internet out of 65Mbps on starting up both of the computers with the new steam.
Steam prevented me from streaming or even playing World Of Warcraft for the first hour of my stream until I closed it on both computers.

The NEW Steam is TERRIBLE. REMOVE IT.

unless you have some magic crystal ball/happen to work at Valve, i wouldnt make such assumptions

once again. just because they dont immediately respond to users does NOT mean they arent busy working on ironing things out.

Then again if some people just want to believe their crazy outlandish red pill theory of evil Valve ruining their experience, more power to them really.

[Edifier]

Originally posted by ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Yea we do need a lightweight version of steam without pointless bloatware.

Since this trash update my games are stuck in "Preparing to launch <game name>" for about 3~ minutes before game launches. No known fix i tried helped with this and it happens regardless of game. Before it took like 10-30 sec max to launch a game.

As if this bloatware update doesnt have enough other problems already..

I'm quite sure it's the game or something on your PC that is causing the issue. Not Steam because I don't have any issues launching any of my games.

[Alucard †]

Originally posted by Edifier:

Originally posted by ⎛ Alucard ⎞ ✟:

Yea we do need a lightweight version of steam without pointless bloatware.

Since this trash update my games are stuck in "Preparing to launch <game name>" for about 3~ minutes before game launches. No known fix i tried helped with this and it happens regardless of game. Before it took like 10-30 sec max to launch a game.

As if this bloatware update doesnt have enough other problems already..

I'm quite sure it's the game or something on your PC that is causing the issue. Not Steam because I don't have any issues launching any of my games.

Glad that its working for you fine but it isnt for me and:

-Affects all my games (exception is Skyrim when i launch it via SKSE shortcut instead normally)
-I didn't change anything on my PC
-Started happening after this update.
-Known workarounds fail to fix this for me

EDIT: -no-browser steam://open/minigameslist trick fixes this issue for me but the as it is with that command i cannot use any community features while ingame including messaging my friends

Guess its a tradeoff

[Retrolicious]

Originally posted by *P0P$*FR3$H3NM3Y3R*:

While they are at it they could also look into making it possible to have the Friends and Chat window integrated in the same window.
There is so much buzz about all the new great UI changes, yet they seem to have ignored the fact that it is common sense in UI design lately that you should strive to do a non overlapping modular interface like alot of productivity software does. Having these separate windows is just not really state of the art.
It's really weird, they keep decorating the launcher like a christmas tree, rotating tiles by 90 degrees 15 years in (my favorite 'change' lol), more blinking, more redundant community info, more social media platform stuff but keep ignoring the findings on good UI design that were made in the last years.

+

I really hope they remove the new UI soon .... In 5 years steam might not even be relevant anymore. Many of their design approaches seem to be stuck in 2 decades ago :c

Forum usability got worse in the past 2 years or so. Alot of biased modding & censoring going on.
Why provide a forum, when alot of ghosting, shadow banning happening? Users can*t even give general tips on games or write guides anymore (without needing to own the game even with competent knowledge on walkthroughs)
Automatic moderation delaying alot of communication and make posting very inconvenient and slow. Yes slow in the internet lol. Ironic right?

The general app is clunky, bloatware and doesn't do what it was made for:

Choose & start games as fast as possible

The mobile app is even more terrible and not even supported widespread, is very minimalistic in functionality and doesn't add that much of help with shopping / chatting / trading

Many games not supporting native linux builds and general too much reliance on outdated windows 10 OS. For example foldable laptops like Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Fold not default supported by win10 lol. Needed custom settings from Lenovo manufacturer.

Many games running badly on convertibles or foldable laptops (badly optimized). Steam client also not well implemented in new monitor / detachable UI setups.

Controller support & Big picture mode very outdated. For example the playstation 5 dualsense controller is still not 100% working, The touchpad & haptic triggers don't work properly. Big picture mode uses a differet friend & chat history than the desktop version and messes everything up. For example old chat taps don't get closed / deleted when not needed.

The new inventory system & valve point shop is a typical skinner box: At least can be ignored by smart people.

So many competing platforms emerging lately ... This decade gonna be interesting indeed.

Ok sorry for tiny rant, just my 2 cents

[eram]

"progress"

[WhiteKnight]

Hey Valve. Please implement auto closing of thread that are 1 month or shut down the forum.

[Zalfir]

Why, this problem is still relevant and deserves to be talked about.

[WhiteKnight]

Then they can talk about it here https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/. They are three threads about it.

Plus this amount to spam & necro.

It's also funny that if there is no features then people call it barebones & if they are features then it's called bloatware.

This sort of ridiculous will never stop.

Anyways i do think "Steam Lite" would be great for those who prefer just to play. So a client with all features removed would be nice.