We need a lightweight bare bones platform

[Defiant Squirrel]

Generally speaking all I want to do is this.

Start steam
View games list
Play game

Occasionally I may want to browse the store, visit the forums or post a screenshot, but that really is about it. And before the update I could do all of those things with ease and in a perfectly non irritating way.

Since the update I hate having Steam even running on my system, I no longer enjoy starting it up, there is a feeling of resentment that manifests itself as soon as I see the Steam icon. This new UI is an over-designed mess. I'm no coder but it's obvious to everyone that this is a terrible piece of design, it lags, it crashes, it's increased the number of clicks required to do anything, it's ugly, it's more cluttered, less functional and it's way too resource hungry... everything about it is bad.

Please consider making an ultra lightweight minimalist UI for those of us that want it, literally a list of games and links to community hubs and the store, that's all we need. Give us a bare bones option with basic features and pure functionality that uses virtually zero system resources, if you don't make it someone else will.

[honx]

umbravox の投稿を引用：

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpNE3lNAJHU
Das erste video von dem User. Hier hat er seine eigenen Files hochgeladen.Bei mir hats wunderbar funktioniert und ich habe im moment die alte Bibliothek wieder;)

edit: Ups,sehe gerase er hat das video geändert.nunja, ich würds einfach mal versuchen egal mit welcher Version. Falls es nicht klappt lässt du Steam einfach wieder drüber updaten. Kann also nicht viel schiefgehen. .

ich bin mir deswegen unsicher, weil ich folgendes gelesen hab:
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/discussions/3/1642052612849944552/

[KillahInstinct]

MyProfile の投稿を引用：

Maybe they could give the rest of us an option to opt out of this Alpha?

Alternatively hop in the beta to get the latest fixes available.

MyProfile の投稿を引用：

Also a lot of people that have been opted in to beta probably just opted out when they didn't like what they encountered with it.

That would be quite silly, it's what beta's are for afterall.

[gamerhelligon]

I am lucky for now that I still have the old UI due to not shutting my pc off or shutting down steam. That said.................



Some people (like myself) do not see the need for over hyped flashy high dollar things when we do not need them.

I still have a flip phone and will continue to use one as long as I am able. Why? Because I do not a need an expensive overpriced hand help pc just to call someone if I break down in the middle of nowhere or text my gf to ask if we need anything from the store since I am stopping there on my way home from work.


I have no use for a smart phone because 99.9% of the features do not interest me at all and I will never use. So why would I waste time and money on a new phone when the old one works for my purposes?

Same with this new UI. 99.9% of the stuff on there has zero use for me or others like me. I use my library to play games from. Why have tabs for friends activities or even a store page if your just shoving it all right on one page?

Make this new UI an optional view added to the ones we have now and let those of us who like to keep things simple keep it that way and those who like the whole "smart phone" look with everything shoved in your face on one page can have what they like as well.

Just like the games we play, the more options to adjust it to an individuals liking the better. Force people to deal with what is there and you have the masses fighting back (like we do now).


I always refer to this when people start on the whole "keep up with the times" rigmarole.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY-pUxKQMUE

[SkepsisChepskiz]

OH! there was a such thing in the old library, the small mode.

[Marius]

I do love if Steam had a barebones mode. I am a simracer myself and in my 30's. So I know what genres of gaming I like.

I do play rFactor 2 the most. What annoyes me is that when I visite the store-page I do get bombarded with racing games that aren't simulations. It's annoying. Wish I could make the shopping page a list with genre's or so. No fancy annoying ads, streams, screenshots and banners. etc.

A man can only dream. Less is more. KISS: keep it simple, stupid.

[Richard Dastardly]

I reinstalled the UI from the beginning of October & locked out updates - and then stopped to look at it & thought about why I preferred the library.

* I can't group games - I don't care, I can use the search just fine, and if I want to search by some tag I can just look it up in the store instead, I can hit the play button from there.

* A click on a game only gives me a button, achievements, news, and *links* to forums/other community things, ie literally all I want to know about the game is there already & on the rare time I want to check the community I have the *option* for it.

* The game list is nice & compact, no wasted whitespace ( I actually found the new list hard to read because of the spacing, it was driving me rapidly mad - let alone the chaotic morass of junk that was the game's library page itself ).

In summary, in a compact way it gives me everything I want to know instantly and nothing I don't. The new one tries to give me everything I might want to know ever, all at the same time. If the patching system is ever changed so I can't use the old client I don't really know what I'll do - I do know if I'm ever forced to use the new UI I'll simply stop buying games on Steam in order that I don't have to deal with it more than now. It's no big deal to me if I have to look elsewhere, it's just marginally less convenient.

Valve - have you ever actually profiled what part of the client your users spend their time in?

[Zalfir]

KillahInstinct の投稿を引用：

Nooblander の投稿を引用：

You are assuming anyone at Valve cares about your user experience. They don't.

Please don't spread misinformation. If you've nothing constructive to add, please don't post.

I believe it's correct for people to say, at the very least, that they _feel_ as if Valve doesn't care about their user experience. People certainly seem to encounter a stone wall when they're trying to express that there is a problem.
I noticed Nooblander has been banned and his comments removed. Maybe seeing so many people being silenced is contributing to that sentiment.

One positive note to end on is that at least this thread wasn't merged and hidden.

[Acubens]

KillahInstinct の投稿を引用：

It was tested for 1,5 month but no issues where found. Not sure if it was a last minute change or if it was simply missed, but yeah.

Sorry, but that is pure misinformation.

A month ago or so, I searched the beta forums before posting my own negative feedback on the beta, pre-launch.
Dozens of negative feedback on the UI particularly.
I left beta because I couldn't stand the new UI, as many other users left beta by the same reason. I've read other beta testers that left beta testing by the same reason, after posting negative feedback.

[nxfs11]

KillahInstinct の投稿を引用：

honx の投稿を引用：

thinking so is reasonable in my opinion. it's day 4 since this disastrous bloatware "update". there is still no official way to OPT OUT and get back the old ui and there was still not a single line of statement from any devs. it's sink or swim.

That's simply not true, they've already communicated regarding the performance issues and even put out a beta that aims to fix some of them. They also have about 20 years of listening to customers and reitterating on feedback, heck the new UI is based on it - seems silly to throw that out of the window for 4 days of issues.

They've listened to everything users have requested about the new UI as long as it supports continuing to have no other option. And as far as not speaking to us, they could just say a few words and make all the people being banned as troll go away. "We've heard you don't like the new UI and we're working on a solution"... poof, the mod's lives get easier.

[KillahInstinct]

Zalfir の投稿を引用：

I believe it's correct for people to say, at the very least, that they _feel_ as if Valve doesn't care about their user experience.

I concur. But I think we can agree it's not very helpful to spam every topic with 'Don't post, Valve doesn't listen anyway'. Other people should be agreed to express their opinion as well, don't you think? And if that's the case, why bother posting at all?

Zalfir の投稿を引用：

People certainly seem to encounter a stone wall when they're trying to express that there is a problem.

I'm not sure what makes you feel that way. Sure, there will be users defending / like the new UI, and there will be people who attack / dislike it. We believe everyone should be free to express their opinion, so if people are stone walling - please use the report buttons.

Zalfir の投稿を引用：

I noticed Nooblander has been banned and his comments removed. Maybe seeing so many people being silenced is contributing to that sentiment.

One positive note to end on is that at least this thread wasn't merged and hidden.

I don't think we can help it if people decide to go break the rules. We are more lenient than usual, and gave out a few warnings - but that doesn't excuse him trolling other people.

Just bare in mind you're not seeing the deleted posts, the rule breaking ones. But yes, I understand how it can be a perception issue if you see a 'normal' post and then the banned tag.

No threads where hidden. Merged yes.

[Zalfir]

KillahInstinct の投稿を引用：

Zalfir の投稿を引用：

I believe it's correct for people to say, at the very least, that they _feel_ as if Valve doesn't care about their user experience.

I concur. But I think we can agree it's not very helpful to spam every topic with 'Don't post, Valve doesn't listen anyway'. Other people should be agreed to express their opinion as well, don't you think? And if that's the case, why bother posting at all?

Zalfir の投稿を引用：

People certainly seem to encounter a stone wall when they're trying to express that there is a problem.

I'm not sure what makes you feel that way. Sure, there will be users defending / like the new UI, and there will be people who attack / dislike it. We believe everyone should be free to express their opinion, so if people are stone walling - please use the report buttons.

Zalfir の投稿を引用：

I noticed Nooblander has been banned and his comments removed. Maybe seeing so many people being silenced is contributing to that sentiment.

One positive note to end on is that at least this thread wasn't merged and hidden.

I don't think we can help it if people decide to go break the rules. We are more lenient than usual, and gave out a few warnings - but that doesn't excuse him trolling other people.

Just bare in mind you're not seeing the deleted posts, the rule breaking ones. But yes, I understand how it can be a perception issue if you see a 'normal' post and then the banned tag.

No threads where hidden. Merged yes.

Thanks for answering.

By hidden, I mean how the comments under an initial post disappear when the root post is merged.

I'd love to be able to see the trolling and abusive posts (I have a strong stomach), I'd like to request that that be an option - similar to how we can still decide to see "off-topic" reviews by turning them back on (I call them protest reviews).

Also, if I spot a bad actor that I've seen multiple times deriding people for their negative feedback and I report them despite them not explicitly breaking common sense rules, will my reports be deprioritised due to a potential perception that they are petty complaints?
I normally don't report anyone, but I believe in an even "playing field."

[KillahInstinct]

Zalfir の投稿を引用：

By hidden, I mean how the comments under an initial post disappear when the root post is merged.

I'd love to be able to see the trolling and abusive posts (I have a strong stomach), I'd like to request that that be an option - similar to how we can still decide to see "off-topic" reviews by turning them back on (I call them protest reviews).

Also, if I spot a bad actor that I've seen multiple times deriding people for their negative feedback and I report them despite them not explicitly breaking common sense rules, will my reports be deprioritised due to a potential perception that they are petty complaints?
I normally don't report anyone, but I believe in an even "playing field."

When a thread is merged, all comments within are merged as well!

I suppose that's a valid suggestion, but I'm not entirely sure if it really benefits the workings of forums. I suppose you want to do this for transparancy, but where do you draw the line? Do you want to be confronted with inappropriate things? Cheat sites? Scam sites? Porn? The list goes on. If you suspect foul play (or if there is actual abuse), you can always report a moderator and Valve will investigate - it has happened before. But that's perhaps a discussion to be had in a seperate suggestion thread.

I don't generally look at who reports who, it doesn't matter. A report is only valid if actual rules were being broken. Sure, you will see a pattern eventually if people are just abusing the report buttons for reporting incorrectly or out of pure spite, but generally we will just give you a warning for that - not dismiss any future reports.

[ling.speed]

KillahInstinct の投稿を引用：

Zalfir の投稿を引用：

People certainly seem to encounter a stone wall when they're trying to express that there is a problem.

I'm not sure what makes you feel that way. Sure, there will be users defending / like the new UI, and there will be people who attack / dislike it. We believe everyone should be free to express their opinion, so if people are stone walling - please use the report buttons.

Can i report Valve for stone walling and afk-ing in base?

Jokes aside I'd really like to have "a" statement, any direction really, but just acknowledging our concerns. (If there is one, could you link it for me, thank you)

[KillahInstinct]

I think they have their reasons and communicate when needed, and through updates/their products.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/1644304412664103339/?tscn=1572793225#c1644304412664190610

[ling.speed]

KillahInstinct の投稿を引用：

I think they have their reasons and communicate when needed, and through updates/their products.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/1644304412664103339/?tscn=1572793225#c1644304412664190610

Ah it gets a bit hard wading throguh these threads, so i missed that, sorry. It's definitely a good practice to focus on work rather than talking, thou i'd say users being confused would be a good exception to this rule.

Still it's good to know that i didn't miss something obvious like a dev blog/board/forum. Thanks again!


and a +1 to the OP.