AI porting, optimization, and translation

[dcrockerjr]

at some point when Ai gets cheaper and more reliable it seems like it would make sense for Valve to invest in AI that could port, optimize, and translate games for different os's and regions, see if the AI could optimize the steam client and large web pages like products owned/redeemed, , auto suggest and merge in off Steam patches such as uncensor patches into the Steam versions of games, and keep an eye out for viruses, loggers, bitcoin malware, DRM, and other illegal malware and if possible remove the malware.
This would create a safer and more reliable Steam experience and help bring the day of the Singularity a little closer.

[Start_Running]

With transaltion there's a lot that can get lost. Especially stuff that revolves on wordplay. Heck as a perfect example think of SHakespear and then realize that you've probably been reading his plays wrong.

Shakespeare as many are coming to realize worked a lot of wordplay into his works. The thing is though a giood chunk of that nuance is lost on us modern folk because ENglish pronunciation has changed a fair bitt since the bard's time. In His time it was almost normal for the word Sea to be pronounced as 'Say". Whjen you realize that you realize that there''s a latyer to his lines that gets lost simply due to the fact we pronounce the words differently.

Then there are things based on cultural references from other cyultures. This is one of the biggest issues they ghave with translating manga and anime. Sometimes the references and jokes just cannot translate... so they have to find a different joke that has roughly the same effect and more or less matches the tone and sppirit of the original.

[dcrockerjr]

"IP rights as a barrier to compatibility"- i meant the fair use of a purchased copy not the trying to use something one didn't buy type

"need source code, compiler" that's one path, the other is having an deep and intimate knowledge of the hardware a program was written for so you completely understand what the program is trying to do. that would involve thorough and complete reverse engineering of the hardware to understand a lot of undocumented stuff. then reverse engineering the program to extract the various art, music, music, and script assets amongst other things. I concede it's not something even a team of people would be likely to do and further concede by the time an AI could handle it in theory the old hardware may not be around to reverse engineer anymore

[Tito Shivan]

Originalmente postado por dcrockerjr:

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”. Arthur C Clarke

Technology still can't do magic.

Originalmente postado por dcrockerjr:

"IP rights as a barrier to compatibility"- i meant the fair use of a purchased copy not the trying to use something one didn't buy type

What you're asking for doesn't fall into the legal definition of fair use.

Originalmente postado por dcrockerjr:

"need source code, compiler" that's one path, the other is having an deep and intimate knowledge of the hardware a program was written for so you completely understand what the program is trying to do. that would involve thorough and complete reverse engineering of the hardware to understand a lot of undocumented stuff. then reverse engineering the program to extract the various art, music, music, and script assets amongst other things.

And that's a cool way to get a bunch of angry lawyers knocking at your door.

[eram]

what you are asking doesnt fall into the realms of reality,

Ai .... click port game....

lol

[dcrockerjr]

"Technology still can't do magic." - you'd be surprised, specialized wave forms can be used to levitate small objects, certain frequencies can b feed into a container of sand to get it to act like a liquid, building on that you can liquify the particles of a solid without burning, this is used for tire recycling to separate out the rubber, look up a guy named hutchinson that was using it years ago. for heating in cold areas one guy made flat black panels to heat refrigerant and used a heat pump to push the heat into homes but was shut down because for the time it would have caused an unusual amount of savings. back when they tried putting jet engines into cars, too expensive at the time, but jet engines have the advantage of being able to use a wide range of fuels including oils, so what if you take a modern electric car, get rid of most of the heavy battery, and tack on a tiny micro jet based power generator with a 1 gallon tank? we live in a strange world with many interesting effects available, also scientist are on the verge of separating spin (magnetism) from charge which should lead to an even weirder world.

"doesn't fall under the definition of fair use" - the more personalized it is the stronger it is, the more necessary it is the stronger it is, there is even a law called the necessity clause.
a distributor tweaking a product they are licensed to sell so that it works is good business and protected, unnecessary modifications otoh could not be bulk redistributed since it would be a derivative work, however the loophole is if it's for your personal use and will not be distributed you have a wide range of modification rights and can even hire outsiders to do the modifications for you, the only thing stopping it is the high expense of hiring those people and the knowledge barrier of entry to do it yourself, an ai however could make a personalized instance just for you as long as they don't redistribute that modification to others, so as long as one owned copies of the wizardry series, the eye of the beholder series and skyrim there would be nothing wrong with having the ai tweak the wizardry and eye of the beholder stuff for a single player party and dump them into Skyrim as dungeons for playing convenience. Note the mashup could not then be redistributed, however if someone else wanted something similar the Ai could easily do it all over for them from scratch. most of copyrights teeth are in distribution, not what people do with it after they own it.

"lawyers" on hardware maybe fo newer stuff covered by patent, older hardware otoh the big barrier would just be finding old hardware that works
on software again personal use rights are strong, redistribution rights are non-existent, so if you wanted to extract an art asset for use as wallpaper on your computer your good, but if you tried to sell that wallpaper on amazon or mak t-shirts to sell on amazon then you would run into the lawyers.

[dcrockerjr]

"what you are asking doesn't fall into the realms of reality," - moore's law, gpt-3 can already make web pages from scratch. in AI development human programing optimizations have taken a back seat to just making raw power available to the AI and seeing what it can do with the extra power.
GPT-2 1.5 billion parameters
GPT-3 175 billion parameters
GPT-4 ???
https://www.metaculus.com/questions/4852/how-many-parameters-will-gpt-4-have-if-it-is-released-in-billions-of-parameters/
https://towardsdatascience.com/4-things-gpt-4-will-improve-from-gpt-3-2b1e7a6da49f

[Start_Running]

Dude. Science has limits.
Dude. Science does not work the way you're thinking and Moore's law isn't even a law...and has already kinda broken down.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originalmente postado por dcrockerjr:

"doesn't fall under the definition of fair use" - the more personalized it is the stronger it is, the more necessary it is the stronger it is, there is even a law called the necessity clause.
a distributor tweaking a product they are licensed to sell so that it works is good business and protected, unnecessary modifications otoh could not be bulk redistributed since it would be a derivative work, however the loophole is if it's for your personal use and will not be distributed you have a wide range of modification rights and can even hire outsiders to do the modifications for you, the only thing stopping it is the high expense of hiring those people and the knowledge barrier of entry to do it yourself, an ai however could make a personalized instance just for you as long as they don't redistribute that modification to others, so as long as one owned copies of the wizardry series, the eye of the beholder series and skyrim there would be nothing wrong with having the ai tweak the wizardry and eye of the beholder stuff for a single player party and dump them into Skyrim as dungeons for playing convenience. Note the mashup could not then be redistributed, however if someone else wanted something similar the Ai could easily do it all over for them from scratch. most of copyrights teeth are in distribution, not what people do with it after they own it.

And since you are talking about wanting Valve to do it, it doesn't fall under personalised use but under distribution.

It's also always debatable whether something is "good business". In the end the IP-holders are the ones who make that decision, not Valve.

[dcrockerjr]

"since you are talking about wanting Valve to do it..."
for modifications made for general distribution it's just a matter of making sure it's repairing an essential defect or if it is beyond the scope of defects that the dev tos covers it.
repair staff and programs are already a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_bug_fixing
https://www.imaginovation.net/blog/most-software-is-broken-but-here-is-how-to-fix-it/
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-tools-repair-corrupted-damaged-files-windows/
or more simply it you buy a copyrighted costume that doesn't stop you from taking it to a tailor for fitting.

for personal customization the Ai would be a sentient employee of valve, valve sells games but also offers the services of their employee, the work the employee does for you is legally instanced and isolated and the work product is only given to you, this is no different than how companies hire employees and contract with outside software support to keep old programs working and expand upon them otherwise IT departments wouldn't be a thing.
https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=d9be6b13-e825-4dac-befa-32561001b078

"Having purchased a board game, "a consumer is free to take the board home and modify the game in any way the consumer chooses, whether or not the
method used comports with the copyright holder's intent." 248 The copyright owner,
"having received expected value, has no further control over the consumer's private
enjoyment of that game." 249 Consumers who own video games, the court concluded,
are no less entitled to experiment, even if their experimentation requires more
advanced technology.250"
https://www.repository.law.indiana.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1469&context=ilj

[Crazy Tiger]

You keep confusing personal use with commercial distribution.

Valve doesn't actually have the rights to modify the content of game developers/publishers, they don't offer that service. And a Valve employee altering files and then distributing it to gamers is not personal use.

[dcrockerjr]

Valve is very secretive about the SDA, requiring an NDA first, the only bit of it to leak i know about is:
https://imgur.com/PmDL9dO
that got popularized with the Epic court case.
2.2 Steam Compatibility
and
2.3 QA
hint at puting the burden on the devs to have a quality working product, but it's hard to say what other non-standard rights they may have carved out beyond the minimums the law gives and requires of distributors and vendors.

"And a Valve employee altering files and then distributing it to gamers is not personal use." - it is if it is instanced, this is how google gets away with translating web pages, it translates them every single time instead of maintaining a server with translated pages on it. The AI would just be doing the same type of translation but with a different language, machine language and code

[Tito Shivan]

Originalmente postado por dcrockerjr:

"And a Valve employee altering files and then distributing it to gamers is not personal use." - it is if it is instanced, this is how google gets away with translating web pages, it translates them every single time instead of maintaining a server with translated pages on it. The AI would just be doing the same type of translation but with a different language, machine language and code

You have a very serious case of mixing apples and oranges.