User Notification When Thread Is Deleted By A Moderator

[𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪]

I have dealt with at least one occasion where a moderator, in blatant ignorance of existing rules and guidelines, deleted one of my threads, which I luckily had screenshot and could report to another moderator who confirmed this deletion was in breach of existing rules and guidelines.

There needs to be notification to users whenever one of their threads are deleted. This is not a shadow government, it is unethical to shadow-delete threads, there needs to be actual notification of what thread was deleted, along with a link to where the thread originally was. This is necessary so future reports can be performed.

Do keep in mind, this could be your thread the moment a moderator finds it contemptible at random, and you may never know because you forgot about the thread and received no notification of your censorship. For all you know it already happened.

So, Steam should ensure there is 1) notification to a user when their thread is deleted, without exception, 2) the title and url of the thread that was deleted so it can be reported to support, and 3) explicit specific citation of what rule(s) were broken, as opposed to non-specific lazy catchalls of "obey the mods" which has made society like Internet moderators so, so, much -it's unethical.

Off-topic derailment such as attacking a user rather than discussing the topic is against Steam rules and guidelines, do not engage in this behavior.

[rawWwRrr]

I've had things deleted without notification. Doesn't bother me much as I can ascertain through logic why such a thing took place.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

The amount of things a moderator has to do on a given day is far too much to warrant a message for all content that was deleted.

But you would get the message in your notifications that the content was "moved or deleted" anyways. So, you can assume by that what you will.

[DarkCrystalMethod]

I think you do get a warning if your thread gets reported and then a mod deletes it(regardless of reason) It certainly tells the reporter at least. Sometimes I do have to go look at my recent activity to notice that my messages were deleted as a side effect of the thread itself being deleted. Unfortunately instead of marking it with a trash can the subject of the thread gets changed so other than your own message sitting there you can't tell what thread it was from.
The auto notification system could use some work. I agree with your sentiment in general. I just don't think it worth their time to update the code to do it. Its only a problem if for some reason they think it broke the rules... or if as you claim there is a rogue moderator at large. If there is one they will be found out and dealt with as they have been before.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

引用自 DarkCrystalMethod：

I think you do get a warning if your thread gets reported and then a mod deletes it(regardless of reason) It certainly tells the reporter at least.

It only notifies the reporter, not the reported.

[Sazzouu]

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

It only notifies the reporter, not the reported.

Normally when some of your content forces the moderator to act you will get a notification too. Either a warning or even worse a ban notification.

I know that this does not necessarily happen as I once had a 12 hours ban which I only found out because I checked my E-Mails a day after. But yeah in general you'll get notified about a moderator acting because of some of your conent

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

引用自 Sazzouu：

引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce：

It only notifies the reporter, not the reported.

Normally when some of your content forces the moderator to act you will get a notification too. Either a warning or even worse a ban notification.

I know that this does not necessarily happen as I once had a 12 hours ban which I only found out because I checked my E-Mails a day after. But yeah in general you'll get notified about a moderator acting because of some of your conent

That is IF action that was taken warranted a moderation message for a warning/ban and not from reported content someone else reported that was acted upon.

[nullable]

引用自 EpycWyn：

So, Steam should ensure there is 1) notification to a user when their thread is deleted, without exception, 2) the title and url of the thread that was deleted so it can be reported to support, and 3) explicit specific citation of what rule(s) were broken, as opposed to non-specific lazy catchalls of "obey the mods" which has made society like Internet moderators so, so, much -it's unethical.

Refusing to waste time on malcontents isn't unethical.

[𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪]

引用自 DarkCrystalMethod：

I think you do get a warning if your thread gets reported and then a mod deletes it(regardless of reason) It certainly tells the reporter at least. Sometimes I do have to go look at my recent activity to notice that my messages were deleted as a side effect of the thread itself being deleted. Unfortunately instead of marking it with a trash can the subject of the thread gets changed so other than your own message sitting there you can't tell what thread it was from.
The auto notification system could use some work. I agree with your sentiment in general. I just don't think it worth their time to update the code to do it. Its only a problem if for some reason they think it broke the rules... or if as you claim there is a rogue moderator at large. If there is one they will be found out and dealt with as they have been before.

Normally.

A moderator can however 100% delete a thread of yours without warning if they choose to.

This is probably done for spam reasons, though even then I think it unethical to not notify the user of the name and url of the thread deleted, along with a reason.

Shadow-deletion of an entire discussion is not ethical and needs to be 100% documented and provided as a notification to the receiving user. I don't care if this is the norm or not for Steam, this is a standard that should be upheld for any forum to ensure there is some degree of understanding and accountability where necessary.

Again, this only happened 1 time, but this really should never happen as there is no good reason to not provide the user notification so they know it happened, documentation so they can go to support for questions and concerns, and rule/guideline citation so understanding of what was wrong or perhaps what was misunderstood can be corrected.

I believe this ties into some universal standards for user rights we as users and respectively the moderators should give reasonable ethical considerations for.

[Brian9824]

Don't see any issue or any unethical aspect to it. Steam is a business, there are no ethics and your already notified when its deleted.

You just want a reason for every one of your threads and posts that are deleted so you can argue it, which you are not entitled to.

[Frostbringer]

引用自 EpycWyn：

Shadow-deletion of an entire discussion is not ethical and needs to be 100% documented and provided as a notification to the receiving user.

Posters on a discussion should also be notified if a thread is “shadow-deleted” by either the OP or a moderator, so there would be understanding why a user’s post no longer shows in their post history and a recent discussion no longer shows on the forums.

[𒐪⎝ Epylector ⎠𒐪]

引用自 Frostbringer：

引用自 EpycWyn：

Shadow-deletion of an entire discussion is not ethical and needs to be 100% documented and provided as a notification to the receiving user.

Posters on a discussion should also be notified if a thread is “shadow-deleted” by either the OP or a moderator, so there would be understanding why a user’s post no longer shows in their post history and a recent discussion no longer shows on the forums.

Agreed, this actually would have been nice as a bunch of my posts simultaneously got nuked while the thread was deleted.

[Frostbringer]

引用自 Epyc Wynn：

引用自 Frostbringer：

Posters on a discussion should also be notified if a thread is “shadow-deleted” by either the OP or a moderator, so there would be understanding why a user’s post no longer shows in their post history and a recent discussion no longer shows on the forums.

Agreed, this actually would have been nice as a bunch of my posts simultaneously got nuked while the thread was deleted.

Actually it would be a bad idea if players were notified if the OP deleted the thread before it reached max # of posts that prevent thread deletion.

For some of the more argumentative ones where the OP posts something so illogical that they get offended by a couple replies, having the other posters notified that the OP deleted the thread after they posted, that could be used to harass the OP.

Example:
“boo hoo, I upset you so much you deleted your post. Why do you bother posting anything?”

Would just let to more moderation in getting troll posts acted upon.