Should Steam Give Steam Credits For Our Library Games?

[pjedilord]

Hi I had a great idea, that steam could consider giving Steam credits to buy a user game back.
So user can only sell a game to stream once a month. or once every 3 months.

So user could sell there game that cost them £10 to steam for £5 Steam credit, that user could use to get another game, so steam always pays 50% less to the user.

But if there game has been on sale for £5 and they brought it for £10, Steam can offer to pay 50% less which would be £2.50 back to the user.

Let's say a user buy's a new release in 2020 £45, steam will only buy that game a year later 50% less of sale price in 2021.
If 2020 game user brought was £20 in 2021, on sale, steam could buy back for £10 from user.


Xmas gold coins steam offered was cool but think steam should offer it always to get more sales.
This is a rough idea that steam could improve from my idea, i think more steam users would take more risks and spend more money on steam buying more games as a incentive, gaining more steam sales.

Which would ensure more loyal users to steam, there's too many apps like uplay ,gog ,epic and origin and they are selling same games that are on sale on steam.

Steam is losing business to these company's. Steam gain less sales of Red Dead 2, I can't buy outer worlds because its only on epic and i want it on steam not epic, if steam made special offers
Insted of people buying cyper punk 2077 on epic,gog, uplay origin knowing they can buy top games like Cyperpunk 2077 from steam and get some cash back next year.

Not that i would want to sell a game like Cyperpunk 2077 to Steam for Steam Credits.

I personally love this idea but every game i buy i intend to keep, think great option because no other company offers this and steam can get more sales in the long term,
people will be drawn to steam sales insted of epic games sales and other companys selling games like amazon, knowing steam user get some Steam credit from steam.

I know you only have 2 hour refund thing, i personally think short amount of time.
I think this way you get less refunds on some games from users, knowing they can play more if they can and knowing they can get bit back in future.

I would love to know if steam would or not use this method , i like steam to stay ahead of its competition, as am getting fed up with games being exclusive only on other stores, its unfair to the steam user,
having exclusive sales like outer worlds, which is not a epic game, the devs did not know the publisher did this deal without them knowing.

I think steam needs to bring incentives so these other stores lose sales to steam'
with steam gaining long term, so people are not sucked in to buy from other stores 'If other stores gain less sales, publishers would stop doing exclusive deals to those stores, and offer them to steam as well.
Maybe steam could make exclusive deals too.

Surely there's more a bonus for steam giving steam credits, they gain long run, I have some games i played over 300 hours, most likely never want to play them 4th play though, but i like to have them there to look at time spent and achievements, having said so i like option to be there, i like idea using it personally in case i brought a game i don't like, like i said 2 hour refund not long enough.

I wanted to refund 'Nioh' after 85 mins, am glad i did not, it took me about 8 hours to really love the game.
Certain games like Space Sim types take to long to get used to maybe longer refund better for games like those? Like 5 hours, I know certain games am unsure of and not willing to take a chance, when there's so many better games and newer games, but if i had steam credits i think i like diffent options.

So many games out there, and only so many you can play right? Everyone has that dull game they wish they did not have, but on princeable you might like to exchange it for another dull game to play for the sake of playing, but don't think it's worth playing unless you had extra discount for such a short game ect?

If you was game jumping because of steam credits, giving you chances take more risks play more games but might not finish them, cause your jumping to the next game, cause you don't have the time, or you don't think it's worth your time to play anymore, well you got it cheaper so you don't care? plus you got to play the game.

That's still great for steam because they getting more cash flow and you play more games.
So you spend more time on Steam insted of using uplay,epic ect.

What do you think?

[Start_Running]

引用自 Zekiran：

This thread, like all of the others of its kind, always boils down to:

I don't want to spend money please give me stuff cheap.



Wait for a sale.

But they still need money for that.

[pjedilord]

Having read users reply's, Steam gets certain %, Steam needs to do some kind of deal with
Devs, that games that don't really get sold or much, like Aliens: colonial marines, surely people
don't buy aliens: colonial marines every month at full price?

Was not on xmas sale, So devs could have a cheaper price insted of £5.
I had game on my wish list and thought its not worth £5, if devs not willing to fix game, i wont buy £5, so i remove game from wish list, So steam makes nothing right?

Games like these and there loads of them on steam, people who think like me and don't buy the games, steam and devs make nothing. = No more Profit
So i buy a more enjoyable game insted' that works fine insted of buying both games.

Maybe for older games on steam, risen games etc Should could offer steam credits, better than nothing right?
Old games made there profit for devs and steam, and generally sales wont sale anymore, there's just too many new games coming out.
Maybe some really famous titles might sell, lesser famous games just won't.

[FFL2and3rocks]

Publishers are in control of their games' prices, and they don't want Valve to interfere.

If their game isn't selling, the publisher can put it on sale. That's their decision to make, not yours or Valve's.

[pjedilord]

How many people don't have Aliens: colonial marines, risen games? lost planet games?
Would you buy them? Would you only buy them with steam credits?

[Zekiran]

引用自 pjedilord：

How many people don't have Aliens: colonial marines, risen games? lost planet games?
Would you buy them? Would you only buy them with steam credits?

What does this even mean?

If I want to buy a game *I buy it*. I don't use another game to purchase it, I bought THAT game because I wanted to play it too.

Steam is not a console store.

[Start_Running]

引用自 pjedilord：

Having read users reply's, Steam gets certain %, Steam needs to do some kind of deal with
Devs, that games that don't really get sold or much, like Aliens: colonial marines, surely people
don't buy aliens: colonial marines every month at full price?

It might surprise you and idf devs want to sell their games cheaper, well they have sales and they can lower the base price. No deals required.

Was not on xmas sale, So devs could have a cheaper price insted of £5.
I had game on my wish list and thought its not worth £5, if devs not willing to fix game, i wont buy £5, so i remove game from wish list, So steam makes nothing right?

It's not likely to get much cheaper since its already down from uits launch day price.

Games like these and there loads of them on steam, people who think like me and don't buy the games, steam and devs make nothing. = No more Profitp

They also incur no loss. So its essentially and even deal. And lets be frank. It probably isn't worth their time to appeal to cheapskates. At some point the money you spend is so small that its really not worth the trouble to take it.

So i buy a more enjoyable game insted' that works fine insted of buying both games.

So instead of buying two games you buiy one and Valve has to give you their money so you can buy that one game...Can you understand why that idea holds zero-gain for devs or Valve?

Maybe for older games on steam, risen games etc Should could offer steam credits, better than nothing right?

More like worse than nothing. Again. What does Valve benefit if they pay you to buy stuff?
It's like putting your own money in the register so your boss can continue to pay you..

Old games made there profit for devs and steam, and generally sales wont sale anymore, there's just too many new games coming out.

You assume that many people are interested in new games.

Maybe some really famous titles might sell, lesser famous games just won't

So what does steam gain by giving you their money for your useless old games?

[pjedilord]

Would you only buy those old games on special sell? Why spend £10 to get 2 dull games?
When you Could spend £10 to get two amazing games?
If you had extra credit, your way of thinking changes on dull games.


Steam could put £5 Steam credits limit for each game you want to buy?
Am saying users could only do this once a month or once every 3 months.

Really losing out? I don't think so.
Devs are giving steam users games cheaper price cause of steam credits, devs are
getting extra advertising on there games and future games because users has game, and buy there future games, that's how the gaming market works, why you get free steam games.

Your made to think devs are losing money, that's what they want you to think so you feel sorry for them and support them' buying there games as if they was your next door neighbours.

The way users are replying on my thread is proof they care about games they have and buy on steam, your only talking like in reply's cause you care about devs games and devs, they want you to think the way of mentally so you buy there games regardless of price ,your loyalty to the devs, like you have loyalty to your best companions in real life.
Notice this a lot reading reviews.

Your so plug in to the matrix way of thinking and buying, when you realise when you talk to someone like me who's disconnected to mentally matrix way of thinking, our view don't match.

I don't use sheep way of thinking when it comes to buying dull games like Aliens: colonial marines, risen games lost planet games.
It's about supply and demand, I don't have time to spend on those games, my brain turns of dull games, they should be cheaper than top games.
If you spent less you feel less to finish the game properly or 2nd play.

Less time you have less games you play, so devs get less money, if devs have better prices you buy more even though you have less time.

Anyhow users always buy games, some people will wait tell its cheaper, instead of waiting next future sale they buy sooner, instead of year later, cause of Steam credit incentives, so steam makes quicker and more profit, Do you understand what i mean now?
Some interesting reply's very happy overall thanks users.

[Brian9824]

引用自 pjedilord：

Would you only buy those old games on special sell? Why spend £10 to get 2 dull games?
When you Could spend £10 to get two amazing games?
If you had extra credit, your way of thinking changes on dull games.


Steam could put £5 Steam credits limit for each game you want to buy?
Am saying users could only do this once a month or once every 3 months.

Really losing out? I don't think so.
Devs are giving steam users games cheaper price cause of steam credits, devs are
getting extra advertising on there games and future games because users has game, and buy there future games, that's how the gaming market works, why you get free steam games.

Your made to think devs are losing money, that's what they want you to think so you feel sorry for them and support them' buying there games as if they was your next door neighbours.

The way users are replying on my thread is proof they care about games they have and buy on steam, your only talking like in reply's cause you care about devs games and devs, they want you to think the way of mentally so you buy there games regardless of price ,your loyalty to the devs, like you have loyalty to your best companions in real life.
Notice this a lot reading reviews.

Your so plug in to the matrix way of thinking and buying, when you realise when you talk to someone like me who's disconnected to mentally matrix way of thinking, our view don't match.

I don't use sheep way of thinking when it comes to buying dull games like Aliens: colonial marines, risen games lost planet games.
It's about supply and demand, I don't have time to spend on those games, my brain turns of dull games, they should be cheaper than top games.
If you spent less you feel less to finish the game properly or 2nd play.

Less time you have less games you play, so devs get less money, if devs have better prices you buy more even though you have less time.

Anyhow users always buy games, some people will wait tell its cheaper, instead of waiting next future sale they buy sooner, instead of year later, cause of Steam credit incentives, so steam makes quicker and more profit, Do you understand what i mean now?
Some interesting reply's very happy overall thanks users.

Again no, $5 credit is the same as $5. It's not going to magically change what game people want.

Every Dev has the right to charge their own price and can control what their game is set to. Steam cannot change the price the dev's wish to sell their games for, nor can they adjust what the dev's recieve.

[Gwarsbane]

引用自 pjedilord：

So if they sell a game for $12 to 10000 users steam makes $120,000?
That's just 1 game, so Steam makes $1.2 million sold to 100000 users.
Steam doing great :)

You are actually wrong.

If Valve sells a for $12 to 10,000 users it only makes $36,000 because Valves cut is only 30%. 70% of that $12 dollars goes to the developer/publisher of the game. So of that $12 bucks, Valve gets $3.60, the developer/publisher gets $8.40

1 game sold to 100,000 users Valve only gets $360,000 again because Valves cut is only 30%.

Out of that 30% they have to pay for a LOT of things....

Bank fees
Wages for employees
Costs to run the building(s) they are in.
Costs to run the servers all around the world.
Costs for all the bandwidth they need.
Costs for all the computer hardware they use in their buildings.
Costs to keep all that computer hardware up to date.
Costs to develop new hardware and software that might never see the light of day.
Costs to make all the Valve Gift cards around the world.
Costs to send employees on trips around the world to meet with who ever they need to meet with.
Pay taxes everywhere they are legally required to.
Lawyers for legal battles and just to have them handy in case something pops up.
And lots of other stuff I know I'm forgetting.

So no, that $360,000 is not a lot of money. Even the estimated 4+ billion dollars they made in 2017 isn't all that much specially if thats not before their 30% cut (we don't know if it is or not). again stuff like bank fees that they pay on behalf of people that stores like epic stick on people take a huge chunk out of their profits.

引用自 pjedilord：

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

Why would they want a key back that they can't use anymore?

Explain when steam gives free game try out weekend?
Most people will enjoy the game and buy, what about people don't buy? What about key then?
What about user that refund game? Steam gets a key back.
Does that mean key won't work?
Maybe steam should let us trade games?

That is the developers/publishers of the games doing that. They are the ones that set the price. They can decide to give it away free for ever or or just for the weekend or never at all.

All those keys on 3rd party sites, Valve gets nothing for those. They create them for the developers to sell on those other sites. Its part of the service that the developer gets for selling stuff on Steam.

Getting the key back is meaningless to Valve, why? Because there is literally an infinite number of keys they can generate. Digital games are very different from the games that only ever came on discs. Even the games that you find in stores today are different because you could have just bought the digital version as its the same keys. The only think you get with the disc from the store is a mostly empty disc that sets up steam and downloads the game, it doesn't even install it off of disc anymore because many games are too big for the discs.

So why would Valve want to buy back a key that they can literally just hit a button to produce for the developer/publisher to use?

Trade games has the same issues, Valve and the game developer/publisher loses money.

But if you want there is a HUGE thread that was going on about this topic about how the french courts are trying to force game companies to allow people to sell/trade/giveaway their digital copies of games.

If its ever allowed, well you can say goodbye to 95% off sales, games coming down in price fast, games being sold on bundle sites for super cheap and stuff like that.

Pretty much games will go subscription where if you want to play a game, you have to pay them X amount of money every single day/week/month and if you stop paying you no longer have that game. I don't know about you, but I like being able to pay pennies for a game and be able to keep it for ever. I still have games that I bought 20+ years ago that I still play now and then.

引用自 pjedilord：

How many people don't have Aliens: colonial marines, risen games? lost planet games?
Would you buy them? Would you only buy them with steam credits?

I literally bought Aliens: colonial marines with all its DLC for 2 bucks. Do you know why that game is not selling? Because its a broken mess that could easily be fixed by the developers but they gave up on it, seriously one of its biggest problems is that there is a type-o in one of the files, fix that type-o and it works better... though still a buggy mess that the developers gave up on.

https://www.polygon.com/2018/7/15/17574248/aliens-colonial-marines-fixing-code-typo-ai-xenomorphs

Risen games I believe were given out free on a number of sites by the developer, and the Lost planet games regularly go on sale for 80% off if not more.

Why would Valve give you 5 dollars for a game that was as cheap as 2 dollars with all of its DLC?
Why would Valve give you 5 dollars for a game that was given out free?
Why would Valve give you 5 dollars for a game that is regularly under 2 to 4 dollars?







What you want is for Valve to give you more money for a game than they would take in... thats how companies go out of business real fast.


That 5 dollars credit that you think costs Valve nothing has to come out of their pocket to go into the developers/publishers pocket. Even if they get back 30% of it, that just means instead of being out 5 dollars they are only putting out 3.5 dollars. But they are still out of all those costs that I mention above. So again they are losing money.

[pjedilord]

Thanks so much Gwarsbane and everyone very informative, Your right about risen games i used them as samples, How do you know so much right info?
Risen 2 is ok game nothing special is 3rd better?

You got Aliens: colonial marines with all its DLC for 2 bucks? Where from?
£5 Min seen it on steam, you see i would of paid 2 for the game.

I got AVP last one am sure its a better game, i don't really need Aliens: colonial marines.

What about other games where DLC costs £100 like sims 3 many others, so many people complain about DLC in reviews' for those games cost to much and micro prices other games, so we know many people unhappy, for such a old game why should DLC cost so much?
Am not interested in sims 3, just using as a sample.

People i know wont buy sims 3 cause of DLC costs too much.
Are DLC prices really fair? why so much for such a old game?
Do they sell a lot?
Some games DLC is fair others not fair.

Who gives trading cards? Devs or steam?
Maybe they should give special trading cards that you can only spend on certain devs games
So people use them more, i have notice few devs doing special trading cards on steam cause you own there games.
How do they work giving more discount of newer dev game?

So what's going to happen to epic in the long run? What effect is epic causing to steam?

I read people paying $50 a new game and are very mad for paying so much, saying how they hate game performance on high spec, or game not worth the price ect, so they give bad review and sometimes they refund, they are unhappy cause they are not getting what they paid for.

Think one of those games was Just cause 4, ok we can notice price getting cheaper.
It was free weekend and i had the 3rd one, don't think 4th worth the price with so many bad things going for the game, puts me off playing a worst version from 3rd game things we loved i
decided not to play free weekend, cause i prefer spend time on games spent money on.

Am sure steam will think of something they always do i have confident on steam in the long run.

[WhiteKnight]

Sometimes i think this people want Valve to go bankrupt.

[Zekiran]

All of your problems in that lengthy rambling post above lead to:

Get a job, save some money, if you want quality games you have to freaking pay for them.

[76561198407601200]

引用自 pjedilord：

Your made to think devs are losing money, that's what they want you to think so you feel sorry for them and support them' buying there games as if they was your next door neighbours.

Until you are of age to be able to work and have financial responsibilities, you will have 0 clue as to how money management works or even have the experience to make even an educated guess as to how financially stable a developer is.

The idea that has been rehashed countless times is the same basic concept "let me purchase a game for $X, valve takes 30%, everyone else gets the rest, then when i no longer want to play the game, I want someone to give me $Y amount for the game, which means that $Y has to come from valve's pocket which they would earn that loss by selling more games which will also get traded in for yet another loss and do this for the millions of users instead of I dunno... selling the keys that can be distributed endlessly by developers and they receive their full cut instead of a watered down amount only because i am too cheap to purchase games." You throwing in "tokens" doesn't change that core concept and just boils down to you wanting to receive something for either much less than it is costs or for nothing at all.

Let's say they use that token rubbish you mentioned, those "tokens" would have to come from valve as developers would sooner leave steam than lose portions of their cut from valve dipping in. This means that a game which was $10 would get valve $3.30 of it. Cheapskate wants to trade it in, they get.... oh let's say $4 for it, cheapskate now has $4 to spend on another game, valve receives $1.32, however because the game was traded in, valve lost not only their cut from the original game's sale, but now are now 70 cents in the hole and with the cut of the $4 game bought, are now at a whopping 62 cents of profit as opposed to the $3.30 they would have gotten sans trade-in system. This is with just TWO games being involved, doing that with millions of users will take a good chunk of valve's profit away. But again, this is all due to some wanting a system that works in one place to be implemented into a system where it would not work at all.

[Gwarsbane]

引用自 pjedilord：

Thanks so much Gwarsbane and everyone very informative, Your right about risen games i used them as samples, How do you know so much right info?
Risen 2 is ok game nothing special is 3rd better?

I've been around on Steam since the start, I read a lot of gaming news and I watch a number of groups that watch for free games being given out.

I would not know if its good or not, I have not played it. Only reason why I grabbed them was because they were given out for free and figured I would eventually get around to giving them a try, eventually.

引用自 pjedilord：

You got Aliens: colonial marines with all its DLC for 2 bucks? Where from?
£5 Min seen it on steam, you see i would of paid 2 for the game.

I got AVP last one am sure its a better game, i don't really need Aliens: colonial marines.

I believe it was Green Man Gaming where it was on for 2 bucks. Its been a while.... and to be fair, its not even worth the 2 bucks because of all the bugs.

引用自 pjedilord：

What about other games where DLC costs £100 like sims 3 many others, so many people complain about DLC in reviews' for those games cost to much and micro prices other games, so we know many people unhappy, for such a old game why should DLC cost so much?
Am not interested in sims 3, just using as a sample.

Don't want to spend 100+ bucks on DLC for a game... then don't. Its that simple. Wait for a sale if you really want it that bad. Heck there is a train game that has thousands of dollars of DLC.

This is just looking more and more like "I want free stuff, give me free stuff". Save your money and buy stuff on sale.

引用自 pjedilord：

People i know wont buy sims 3 cause of DLC costs too much.
Are DLC prices really fair? why so much for such a old game?

The price of DLC is only worth what you are willing to spend on it.

I only ever buy games when they are on sale. During the last sale I picked up a bunch of games with their DLC all between 80% to 95% off. None of that stuff I would have bought at higher prices, but thats just me. There are some things I'm waiting for to go cheaper, some things I'm waiting for a better video card before getting.

None of it I will buy at the regular non-sale price.

引用自 pjedilord：

Do they sell a lot?
Some games DLC is fair others not fair.

No idea, but the price of the DLC is 100% up to the developers/publishers of the games/DLC. Valve has zero say in the price.

引用自 pjedilord：

Who gives trading cards? Devs or steam?

Valve built the mechanic, Developers are free to put cards into their game or not.
Developers of the games get 10% of the cards sale prices, Valve gets 5%, the seller of the card on the market gets the rest.

引用自 pjedilord：

Maybe they should give special trading cards that you can only spend on certain devs games
So people use them more, i have notice few devs doing special trading cards on steam cause you own there games.

You still don't seem to get it do you... all of this would come out of Valves own pocket. Anything like that, where money comes out of thin air from Valve, comes out of their pocket.

引用自 pjedilord：

How do they work giving more discount of newer dev game?

The developers/publishers set the prices of the games. They are the ones that put the discounts on the games, they are the ones that give out the coupons for the games.... Valve has no say in any of that.

引用自 pjedilord：

So what's going to happen to epic in the long run? What effect is epic causing to steam?

Epic is having little to no effect on Steam. If epic keeps going the way they are going, they are going to piss off more of the gaming community, and they will eventually run out of that fortnite money they are heavily using right now to try to buy customers.

That money will run out because fortnite has dropped in popularity.

I personally will not buy stuff on epic, I dislike their how they are doing things. I wish more people would consider not buying from them because of their business practices.

引用自 pjedilord：

I read people paying $50 a new game and are very mad for paying so much, saying how they hate game performance on high spec, or game not worth the price ect, so they give bad review and sometimes they refund, they are unhappy cause they are not getting what they paid for.

People need to learn how to wait for reviews to be out instead of going with preorders. They need to learn how to go and look at videos of the game before they plop down their money.

I have yet to be disappointed with anything I have bought on Steam, mainly because I do my research before I buy my games. I only ever pay what I think a game is worth to me. If that means waiting 4 or 5 years before buying a game, then so be it.

引用自 pjedilord：

Think one of those games was Just cause 4, ok we can notice price getting cheaper.
It was free weekend and i had the 3rd one, don't think 4th worth the price with so many bad things going for the game, puts me off playing a worst version from 3rd game things we loved i
decided not to play free weekend, cause i prefer spend time on games spent money on.

So if you don't think its worth the price.... don't buy it. Wait till it goes on sale for a price you are willing to pay for it.

Don't ask Valve to give you money so that you can buy a game.

引用自 pjedilord：

Am sure steam will think of something they always do i have confident on steam in the long run.

They have already thought of something, they are called sales. They run 2 really big ones a year and a bunch of smaller ones through the year. Save up your money, wait for a sale and see if there is anything you want for a price you are willing to pay for it.

Asking Valve to give you money so that you can buy stuff.... so that they can get money is not something they will consider.

[Gwarsbane]

引用自 pjedilord：

Your made to think devs are losing money, that's what they want you to think so you feel sorry for them and support them' buying there games as if they was your next door neighbours.

No where have we said that the developers of the games are losing money. What we have said is that if Valve did what you want them to do, which is give you 5 bucks for a game that they can't resell because they can already make an infinite amount of game keys that cost virtually nothing to store or send around the world.

VALVE is the one that will lose money out of the deal. Since they are getting nothing out of giving you 5 bucks for a game that they received less then 5 bucks for in the first place, they have ZERO incentive to actually do it.