Tags aren't useful when people tag games with everything

[d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ]

A huge issue currently, in my personal opinion, is that searching for games gives you multiple suggestions that just DO NOT FIT THE TAG!

It seems like players and developers alike are tagging their games with as many tags as possible, from a dev perspective this makes sense as it wont exclude your game, but from a consumer perspective finding appropriate games is getting more difficult.

It seems like people use tags in the absolute vaguest way possible, tagging some games which are clearly just simple games with no real deep story engagement as lore-rich or etc. Occasionally I even come across games that aren't even close to being what the tag says! It's getting really stupid, tagging a single player only game as co-op for example.

Reporting tags wont work properly because most people won't want to spend their time cleaning up tags from people who are trying to use tags like hashtags on instagram.

[d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ]

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Diposting pertama kali oleh d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ:

I agree, that's what I was going to suggest too, I think only devs should be able to tag, because it's not working properly at the moment.

And while a lot of people are maybe reporting tags, which is great to know, I don't know how well it works, because the tag system is still bad, games I report the tags for still got them, weeks, months later.

That won't work because most dev's aren't going to tag games to the same level as other people do. The result will be a handful of tags that don't let people find specific features they are looking for. Or the dev's opinions of what the game is like will be different then the users and people will then complain that the dev's aren't tagging the games correctly.

If anybody know best what tags should apply to their game it's devs, I get what you're saying, but you have games with tags that make no sense, or is part of a miniscule part of the game. It's like taking a song and putting it into almost all genres, tagging it as classical because it has an instrument in it, as pop because it has a beat, hip hop because of base line, rock because of a guitar, it makes no sense, it's just silly.

Do you really need a game that can be summed up with 3-5 tags with 10+? Not really.

[Brian9824]

Diposting pertama kali oleh d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ:

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

That won't work because most dev's aren't going to tag games to the same level as other people do. The result will be a handful of tags that don't let people find specific features they are looking for. Or the dev's opinions of what the game is like will be different then the users and people will then complain that the dev's aren't tagging the games correctly.

If anybody know best what tags should apply to their game it's devs, I get what you're saying, but you have games with tags that make no sense, or is part of a miniscule part of the game. It's like taking a song and putting it into almost all genres, tagging it as classical because it has an instrument in it, as pop because it has a beat, hip hop because of base line, rock because of a guitar, it makes no sense, it's just silly.

Here is a simple question. Ask 10 people what type of game Legend of Zelda A link to the past is.

Some will say its an RPG, others will say its action game, others will say its action-adventure, etc

I mean here is a thread arguing it - https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/588436-the-legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past/48944269#:~:text=It%20is%20in%20a%20subset,is%20done%20in%20real-time.

It's a good example of how people view games and their definition of genre's to be different. Personally I consider it to be an RPG as do many other people, but its actually defined by the developer as Action-Adventure.

Diposting pertama kali oleh d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ:

Do you really need a game that can be summed up with 3-5 tags with 10+? Not really.

Yes, because using Legend of Zelda for instance as an example if its listed with tags for

Action
Action Adventure
Fantasy

and then you stop, when I search for RPG's I'm not going to find it in my list even though myself and many others would consider it a RPG.

[MadBone12]

Tags don't only define the genre/s, though. They also share things like co-op or single-player, and other things people might want to know. Unfortunately, that means that most games have a long list of tags, which is why I don't search by tag. Tags are there to give you an idea of the different elements that characterise a game, with genre just being one of them.

Generally, searching the Steam store is like searching on Netflix. It is better to go in knowing what you are looking than to hope you will stumble across something you might like. Instead, read articles written by review sites, ask friends etc. and don't rely on the Steam search, especially the tags. Personally, I find them to be more informational and not a good search method.

Others might have different experiences.

[Brian9824]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MadBone12:

Tags don't only define the genre/s, though. They also share things like co-op or single-player, and other things people might want to know. Unfortunately, that means that most games have a long list of tags, which is why I don't search by tag. Tags are there to give you an idea of the different elements that characterise a game, with genre just being one of them.

Generally, searching the Steam store is like searching on Netflix. It is better to go in knowing what you are looking than to hope you will stumble across something you might like. Instead, read articles written by review sites, ask friends etc. and don't rely on the Steam search, especially the tags. Personally, I find them to be more informational and not a good search method.

Others might have different experiences.

Tags can be useful, like searching for Zombies, or world war 2, or other themes people like. So if i'm in the mood to shop for a post apocalyptic survival game with zombies the tags developers use won't be enough, but using tags, i can filter it down to a manageable list that is more precise then what the dev's would define - https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=1659%2C3835%2C1662

The flip side is a few of those might not belong, in which you can easily report the tag or ignore that title.

[About47Pandas]

Question for a mod: Can you moderate the tags on your own if its obvious? Or do you just have to follow what the community agrees on?

[Brian9824]

Diposting pertama kali oleh About47Pandas:

Question for a mod: Can you moderate the tags on your own if its obvious? Or do you just have to follow what the community agrees on?

No user has the ability to moderate tags based on their OPINION. You report them and they will be looked at by an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at steam to see if they are inappropriate.

[MadBone12]

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Tags can be useful, like searching for Zombies, or world war 2, or other themes people like. So if i'm in the mood to shop for a post apocalyptic survival game with zombies the tags developers use won't be enough, but using tags, i can filter it down to a manageable list that is more precise then what the dev's would define - https://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=1659%2C3835%2C1662

The flip side is a few of those might not belong, in which you can easily report the tag or ignore that title.

Fair point. I have used tags on occasion but have only found a handful of games that way, but I wouldn't discount it completely - I just find it not so useful.

Also, congrats on getting your avatar back.

[About47Pandas]

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Diposting pertama kali oleh About47Pandas:

Question for a mod: Can you moderate the tags on your own if its obvious? Or do you just have to follow what the community agrees on?

No user has the ability to moderate tags based on their OPINION. You report them and they will be looked at by an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at steam to see if they are inappropriate.

Oh lol-- you. cOoL -- ThAnKs FoR AnSwErInG.

If Halo was tagged with Real time strategy, -- Would it be an opinion that it's incorrect?

[Brian9824]

Diposting pertama kali oleh About47Pandas:

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

No user has the ability to moderate tags based on their OPINION. You report them and they will be looked at by an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at steam to see if they are inappropriate.

Oh lol-- you. cOoL -- ThAnKs FoR AnSwErInG.

If Halo was tagged with Real time strategy, -- Would it be an opinion that it's incorrect?

Well considering you have to develop strategy in a fire fight in real time then just like the term RPG it could be applied to a lot of things. So I can easily see how someone would make that claim. Especially as Halo has multiplayer where real time strategy comes into play, the only thing missing is the building of new units. It's not a tag I would use personally, but your free to report it if you disagree with it.

Again though, even if you tagged it with a ♥♥♥♥ tag, it doesn't give users the ability to decide for themselves what is and isn't "obvious" as that is entirely subjective.

[About47Pandas]

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Diposting pertama kali oleh About47Pandas:

Oh lol-- you. cOoL -- ThAnKs FoR AnSwErInG.

If Halo was tagged with Real time strategy, -- Would it be an opinion that it's incorrect?

Well considering you have to develop strategy in a fire fight in real time then just like the term RPG it could be applied to a lot of things. So I can easily see how someone would make that claim. Especially as Halo has multiplayer where real time strategy comes into play, the only thing missing is the building of new units. It's not a tag I would use personally, but your free to report it if you disagree with it.

Again though, even if you tagged it with a ♥♥♥♥ tag, it doesn't give users the ability to decide for themselves what is and isn't "obvious" as that is entirely subjective.

Lol you're trolling, homie, Halo Clearly isnt an RTS.

[Crazy Tiger]

Diposting pertama kali oleh About47Pandas:

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

No user has the ability to moderate tags based on their OPINION. You report them and they will be looked at by an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ at steam to see if they are inappropriate.

Oh lol-- you. cOoL -- ThAnKs FoR AnSwErInG.

If Halo was tagged with Real time strategy, -- Would it be an opinion that it's incorrect?

Seems correct: https://store.steampowered.com/app/459220/Halo_Wars_Definitive_Edition/

;)

[About47Pandas]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Crazy Tiger:

Diposting pertama kali oleh About47Pandas:

Oh lol-- you. cOoL -- ThAnKs FoR AnSwErInG.

If Halo was tagged with Real time strategy, -- Would it be an opinion that it's incorrect?

Seems correct: https://store.steampowered.com/app/459220/Halo_Wars_Definitive_Edition/

;)

Halo- as in the first person shooter. Halo 2, halo 3, halo 4, halo 5, halo 3 ODST. That halo. Pretty sure when people refer to Halo Wars, they say Halo Wars. Halo the Master Chief collection-- is not an RTS and if it were labeled as such--- it would be inaccurate.

[Brian9824]

Diposting pertama kali oleh About47Pandas:

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Well considering you have to develop strategy in a fire fight in real time then just like the term RPG it could be applied to a lot of things. So I can easily see how someone would make that claim. Especially as Halo has multiplayer where real time strategy comes into play, the only thing missing is the building of new units. It's not a tag I would use personally, but your free to report it if you disagree with it.

Again though, even if you tagged it with a ♥♥♥♥ tag, it doesn't give users the ability to decide for themselves what is and isn't "obvious" as that is entirely subjective.

Lol you're trolling, homie, Halo Clearly isnt an RTS.

Never once said it was, I said i can see how someone could claim it was based on the words Real Time Strategy, especially if they don't know how that is typically used in video games.

Again though, you don't get to decide what tags are or aren't allowed, you can report it and steam will take action.

[About47Pandas]

Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Diposting pertama kali oleh About47Pandas:

Lol you're trolling, homie, Halo Clearly isnt an RTS.

Never once said it was, I said i can see how someone could claim it was based on the words Real Time Strategy, especially if they don't know how that is typically used in video games.

Again though, you don't get to decide what tags are or aren't allowed, you can report it and steam will take action.

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Diposting pertama kali oleh brian9824:

Especially as Halo has multiplayer where real time strategy comes into play,

The words Real, Time and Strategy-- Sure they have meaning, but Real time strategy as a genre is something totally different.

An RPG is a video game genre where the player controls the actions of a character -- Id also agree that Halo is an RPG.

"In a real-time strategy game, the participants position structures and maneuver units under their control to secure areas of the map and/or destroy their opponents' assets" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real-time_strategy

And yeah- I dont get to decide, but Mods do- "Please note that Administrators/Moderators reserve the right to change/edit/delete/move/merge any content at any time if they feel it is inappropriate, abusive, or incorrectly categorized." https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=4045-USHJ-3810

you know this-

[Tito Shivan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ:

If anybody know best what tags should apply to their game it's devs

The same devs that have tagged for decades their games in as many genres as possible to have the most tick boxes?

We've kind of forgotten how tags were requested as the way developers were actually tagging their games was pretty lackluster and enough people felt the need for a system to add proper tags themselves.