Tags aren't useful when people tag games with everything

[d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ]

A huge issue currently, in my personal opinion, is that searching for games gives you multiple suggestions that just DO NOT FIT THE TAG!

It seems like players and developers alike are tagging their games with as many tags as possible, from a dev perspective this makes sense as it wont exclude your game, but from a consumer perspective finding appropriate games is getting more difficult.

It seems like people use tags in the absolute vaguest way possible, tagging some games which are clearly just simple games with no real deep story engagement as lore-rich or etc. Occasionally I even come across games that aren't even close to being what the tag says! It's getting really stupid, tagging a single player only game as co-op for example.

Reporting tags wont work properly because most people won't want to spend their time cleaning up tags from people who are trying to use tags like hashtags on instagram.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Report misapplied tags.

[Lu7ky has a veiny eggplant]

While that is an option it doesnt work well, it takes multiple people reporting a tag to get it removed, there really needs to be a better way, when a game is tagged with nudity and it ends up being like some indie minecraft game that just wastes everyone's time (of those who see it)

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

One report for an incorrect tag is all that is needed for it to be removed.

[Lu7ky has a veiny eggplant]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

One report for an incorrect tag is all that is needed for it to be removed.

:qr:

VERY incorrect
I cannot post the image here without a hyper link so ill quote the exact words used by steam:
"Thank you for your report. Tags that have reached a certain threshold of reports will be removed from the product."
(So technically no individual report will ever have any effect.)

[jag]

Agree

[d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ]

Originally posted by Lu7ky:

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

One report for an incorrect tag is all that is needed for it to be removed.

:qr:

VERY incorrect
I cannot post the image here without a hyper link so ill quote the exact words used by steam:
"Thank you for your report. Tags that have reached a certain threshold of reports will be removed from the product."
(So technically no individual report will ever have any effect.)

Yeah I was about to say, this guy didn't read my post nor does he understand how the tagging works as you show having to quote steam themselves.

The tags are just kind of getting bizzare and out of hand now, I'm tired of skimming through products that do not even have what I want when I use a tag.

I don't know why steam tries to automate everything when it clearly does not work.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by Lu7ky:

While that is an option it doesnt work well, it takes multiple people reporting a tag to get it removed, there really needs to be a better way, when a game is tagged with nudity and it ends up being like some indie minecraft game that just wastes everyone's time (of those who see it)

Assume you're not the only one reporting the tag.

[d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Originally posted by Lu7ky:

While that is an option it doesnt work well, it takes multiple people reporting a tag to get it removed, there really needs to be a better way, when a game is tagged with nudity and it ends up being like some indie minecraft game that just wastes everyone's time (of those who see it)

Assume you're not the only one reporting the tag.

Right, and you are "assuming" that the majority of the community spend their time cleaning up useless tags placed by people who don't understand (or don't want to) how to use them, this still makes trying to clear tags from games with a massively smaller audience a pain. Give us some actual information on how the system properly works, what is ENOUGH PEOPLE reporting a tag, for example, will be more helpful than "assuming".

The fact that we get games that show up and clutter the lists that genuinely shouldn't even be there is enough to see that it's self moderation from the community isn't really working well, is it.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

The amount necessary is never going to be given out as it will only encourage users to abuse the system.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ:

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Assume you're not the only one reporting the tag.

Right, and you are "assuming" that the majority of the community spend their time cleaning up useless tags placed by people who don't understand (or don't want to) how to use them, this still makes trying to clear tags from games with a massively smaller audience a pain. Give us some actual information on how the system properly works, what is ENOUGH PEOPLE reporting a tag, for example, will be more helpful than "assuming".

The fact that we get games that show up and clutter the lists that genuinely shouldn't even be there is enough to see that it's self moderation from the community isn't really working well, is it.

So what's your actual suggestion to improve it? I mean your complaining but not providing any solution that is better.

Valve can't tag 30,000+ games, tags are subjective, users want more granular tabs, etc.

Your going to get some false ones and spam, but if you bother reporting it they get removed, and the people leaving them can lose their ability to tag in the future.

[Lu7ky has a veiny eggplant]

So what's your actual suggestion to improve it? I mean your complaining but not providing any solution that is better.

Valve can't tag 30,000+ games, tags are subjective, users want more granular tabs, etc.

Your going to get some false ones and spam, but if you bother reporting it they get removed, and the people leaving them can lose their ability to tag in the future.

I was planning to make my own suggestion because of this as well, so I assume they want to go to non-user defined tags?

I saw a tag last night that said "Underground" meanwhile exactly half of the pictures shown for the game had sky in them.
Also if someone spells a tag wrong or off by 1 letter its a new tag (I've done this on my filters).
Essentially there are way too many tags and at the press of a button are new ones, so a suggestion would be: go back to steam tags only & preferably dev tagging only.

[Tito Shivan]

Originally posted by d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ:

Right, and you are "assuming" that the majority of the community spend their time cleaning up useless tags placed by people who don't understand (or don't want to) how to use them

I actually get to see the ammount of reports the community generates. And they're quite a lot. So at any give time it's most possible you're not the only one reporting an specific subject in a community with over 20 million active users.

[d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ]

Originally posted by Lu7ky:

So what's your actual suggestion to improve it? I mean your complaining but not providing any solution that is better.

Valve can't tag 30,000+ games, tags are subjective, users want more granular tabs, etc.

Your going to get some false ones and spam, but if you bother reporting it they get removed, and the people leaving them can lose their ability to tag in the future.

I was planning to make my own suggestion because of this as well, so I assume they want to go to non-user defined tags?

I saw a tag last night that said "Underground" meanwhile exactly half of the pictures shown for the game had sky in them.
Also if someone spells a tag wrong or off by 1 letter its a new tag (I've done this on my filters).
Essentially there are way too many tags and at the press of a button are new ones, so a suggestion would be: go back to steam tags only & preferably dev tagging only.

I agree, that's what I was going to suggest too, I think only devs should be able to tag, because it's not working properly at the moment.

And while a lot of people are maybe reporting tags, which is great to know, I don't know how well it works, because the tag system is still bad, games I report the tags for still got them, weeks, months later.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ:

I agree, that's what I was going to suggest too, I think only devs should be able to tag, because it's not working properly at the moment.

I thought the system used to be that only developers could tag and that many people complained that they tagged wrongly, leading to the current system. I could be wrong, but Tito might shed some light on that.

Originally posted by d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ:

And while a lot of people are maybe reporting tags, which is great to know, I don't know how well it works, because the tag system is still bad, games I report the tags for still got them, weeks, months later.

It could mean that not many people share your thoughts on it. Or that the tags got reapplied. Or that people simply disagree.

I've seen various tags that I reported get removed, so things do kinda work.

I think the issue is mostly that in the end it won't matter what system gets used, it never is correct in someones opinion.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by d i n k y ㅇㅅㅇ:

Originally posted by Lu7ky:

I was planning to make my own suggestion because of this as well, so I assume they want to go to non-user defined tags?

I saw a tag last night that said "Underground" meanwhile exactly half of the pictures shown for the game had sky in them.
Also if someone spells a tag wrong or off by 1 letter its a new tag (I've done this on my filters).
Essentially there are way too many tags and at the press of a button are new ones, so a suggestion would be: go back to steam tags only & preferably dev tagging only.

I agree, that's what I was going to suggest too, I think only devs should be able to tag, because it's not working properly at the moment.

And while a lot of people are maybe reporting tags, which is great to know, I don't know how well it works, because the tag system is still bad, games I report the tags for still got them, weeks, months later.

That won't work because most dev's aren't going to tag games to the same level as other people do. The result will be a handful of tags that don't let people find specific features they are looking for. Or the dev's opinions of what the game is like will be different then the users and people will then complain that the dev's aren't tagging the games correctly.