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So you are claiming that only the neutral reviews would actually contain this information on what the game does well and poorly?
Any well written recommendation (whether positive or negative) should contain that information. If there was a neutral option the useful recommendations for you wouldn't solely exist (and I personally would argue likely wouldn't exist since anyone capable of putting their thoughts in order enough to provide a well-written review can put their thoughts together well enough to indicate whether they recommend or do not recommend the product) in that neutral/informational bucket.
I've never seen a useful informational review from curators (which have that option) although I'm sure some of those have been useful to someone they've always been something like "we are aware of this product, but it's too early to tell whether it's going to be good or not at this stage" which isn't useful to me (and is as much as waste of my time reading it as it was their time writing it).
But what value is the 5-star rating adding to the person reading the review?
Answer the same question I've posed the others in the thread how exactly do you go about assessing (with reviews/recommendations) whether or not a product is the one you want to purchase (draw on experience from wherever you want that has user reviews to answer this)? How is this improved with a 5-star rating over the current system?
Reviews/recommendations are there to help people purchase products they will like, not for the people making the reviews so if something doesn't actually provide any benefit to the people reading the reviews there is no point in having it.
Indeed. Amazon, for example, allows you to sort reviews by rating. The 2, 3 and 4 star reviews are usually the ones with the most relevant opinions.
It's hard for me to take the Steam review system seriously since all my recommendations carry the same weight when in reality there are games that I'd recommend more strongly than others. The text allows for nuance obviously but the weight my review carries in the overall rating is inaccurate.
Now there is a brilliant mind!
Some people here are very fond of the recommendation system and they assume that a 5 star system would have to replace it. I also assumed as much.
I believe it's the first time someone suggested having both!
It's literally just one more stat to add to the current review system and would result in us having both an overall recommendation rating and an overall star rating.
Nothing would have to be changed or converted, since one could just leave their old reviews without a star rating if they so choose.
That was already answered on post #140 which you quoted but left out the bit that would answer that question.
Again. Nothing would have to be changed or converted, since one could just leave their old reviews without a star rating if they so choose.
5star: The package was delivered on time
3star: it's a crappy tool
5star: it's a crappy tool but its cheap
2star: I expected a professional tool for a cheap price and it wasn't the case
1star: mine was broken
1star: package was delivered late
The system already allows you to pyut as many stars as you want in tthe body of your review copy.
★︎★︎★︎★︎✰︎
See?
And then there's that.
That doesn't count towards an overall rating system so you've completely miss the point of the thread. We already know we can put whatever we want on the body of the review, this is not new information. The whole point of the a better rating scale is to provide a better, more accurate overall rating.
Obviously, games on Steam don't come in physical packages so that wouldn't be an issue here. However, there is the issue of broken games and I don't see a problem with people giving games that are sold on Steam in a broken state a low rating if they want. Do you?
Also, some people factor price into their rating. If you buy a game for 5 dollars that you get 100+ hours of fun out of, some people might consider that a 5 star game. Other players might disagree that price should be a factor and those people are also free to rate those games whatever they feel.
Fallout 3:
29,079 All.
22,686 Overall - Mostly Positive
22,924 - Positive
6,155 - Negative
Working as intended.
And yet you disagree with reviewers giving positive reviews of Fallout 3 as seen below.
As are reviewers of Fallout 3.
Maybe you should stop trying to control the message.
Right now, since you can only give Fallout 3 a either positive or a negative so the majority ends up giving it a positive because the game is really damn good once they fix it. So Fallout 3 has the rating it has because reviewers are not free to rate it anything in between.
With a 5 star rating scale, it's not hard to imagine that some, perhaps most of these reviewers would knock down a star or two from their overall score because of the state it is in. So we'd have a much more accurate view of just how positive the overall rating really is.
So, to summarize, I want reviewers to have more freedom in what rating they can give a game, regardless if I agree with them or not because that would result in a more accurate overall rating.
Its already been shown that the recommendation system as is is capable of generating a wide range (7 no less) from the recommendations. It doesn't need two different schemes for it. That just muddies the waters.
And what makes you think the current rating system is less accurae? If anything the ambigiousness and subjective biases implicit in the 5 star system would make it less accurate, not more.
And how would one judge accuracy anyway?
But there are several more issues that people could gripe about soooo...
Nope, and they can already do that. Imagine that. Just look at the XIII - Remake
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1154790/XIII/
There is clearly no issue with leaving low ratings now is there.
All people factor price, its just a matter that some don't state it explicity.
ANd they already do. Those that feel that the 100hr $5 game is worth recommending, will recommend, ythose that do not will 'Not recommend'.
Agauin the degree to which one recommends can be conveyed in the body of the review.
It would not provide a more accurate overall rating when your own review? of Fallout 3 adds nothing to your proposed star rating system.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Foxdude69/recommended/22370/
My Rating: minus 0 stars.
My vote: Thumbs down because it is not a helpful review.
You do not want reviewers to have more freedom when your own quote is in total contradiction of the expression of freedom and the current system as is.
They can leave a positive review and it annoys you.
because clearly any one who does the thing he doesn't like must be mistaken, forced, stupid, lazy, etc. The idea that someone else can have an equally valid opposing opinion kinda astounds many.
In the case of FO3. The very idea that someone else was able to get the game running seems foreign.