We need a more restricted Steam service application from Valve with personal id.

[MAXE]

Our games are so overfloated with hacks and cheats, that i think its about time Valve & the Steam community demands personal id numbers, wich you need to get on the local police department where you sign under that you will not cheat or hack on the internet !

So how will this work ?

Kinda like the steam authentificator, you register your steam accounts at the local police department together with your privat papers and they will give you a personal id number wich is privat and attached to your steam accounts !

This will prevent cheaters and hackers to be able to return to the games again after their are banned on any of the accounts they own !"

And the local police department can automatic give a fine for the attempts of cheating / hacking wich could be anything from 1000 dollars to 1 million dollar fines & jail time, depend on how big a crime is commited on the internet..

We need this 100% to keep the cheaters/hackers away from our games, so their are not able to return to our games again and ruin the game experiences for us, when they allready got one or more permanent banned accounts for cheating, some of them with multiple vacbans on them !


Give us this and i bet all will stop cheating in our games, when the first 1 million dollar fine and 10 years of prison for cheating online hits one of the cheaters ....

Best regard
Maxe

[Lily McFluffy Butt]

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

Escrito originalmente por Shogun Blade:

It is not illegal to use cheats in the UK. It is not a criminal offence.

I repeat.

It is not illegal to use cheats in the UK. It is not a criminal offence.

you break the TOS & EULA + Copyright protection when you decide to cheat in a game = its a criminal action you do on your computer against the game software owners !

At best it's a civil offense, where a company can sue you for violating their ToS. But it's not a criminal offense where local law enforcement gets involved.

[MAXE]

Escrito originalmente por Dead Monkey:

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

I did think about it .. and it is criminal offences of the copyright owners to use cheats against their software .. so it is a police matter aswell !

NO IT IS NOT. Just because you think it and can';t read and understand legal documents does not make it illegal. Professional sports people have been caught cheating and punished for it. Not 1 has been prosecuted by the police because they violated no law. They broke the games rules but not laws.

Copyright protection is global !

When you decide to cheat you break the copyright protection & license of the game creator !
Wich is illegal in the whole world !!

[MAXE]

Escrito originalmente por Lilac McReindeer Butt:

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

you break the TOS & EULA + Copyright protection when you decide to cheat in a game = its a criminal action you do on your computer against the game software owners !

At best it's a civil offense, where a company can sue you for violating their ToS. But it's not a criminal offense where local law enforcement gets involved.

its easyer to drag you to a courtroom that way, thats why it should be the local police department !

[Nx Machina]

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

I did think about it .. and it is criminal offences of the copyright owners to use cheats against their software .. so it is a police matter aswell !

It is not a police matter to use cheats as using cheats is not illegal.

CREATING cheats is illegal in South Korea (the link you provided).

So again you have not thought this through.

I repeat.

It is not illegal to use cheats in the UK. It is not a criminal offence.

[Lily McFluffy Butt]

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

Escrito originalmente por Lilac McReindeer Butt:

At best it's a civil offense, where a company can sue you for violating their ToS. But it's not a criminal offense where local law enforcement gets involved.

its easyer to drag you to a courtroom that way, thats why it should be the local police department !

The company would have to agree to sue you, which they won't because suing every single cheater would be a waste of time, resources, and money.

[Nx Machina]

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

you break the TOS & EULA + Copyright protection when you decide to cheat in a game = its a criminal action you do on your computer against the game software owners !

It is NOT a criminal action because NO ONE using cheats has been prosecuted.

The ONLY ones prosecuted are the CHEAT MAKERS.

If you are going to keep making moot points at least base them in some form of truth but you cannot because you are BLINDED by your hatred of cheaters.

[MAXE]

Escrito originalmente por Shogun Blade:

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

I did think about it .. and it is criminal offences of the copyright owners to use cheats against their software .. so it is a police matter aswell !

It is not a police matter to use cheats as using cheats is not illegal.

CREATING cheats is illegal in South Korea (the link you provided).

So again you have not thought this through.

I repeat.

It is not illegal to use cheats in the UK. It is not a criminal offence.

The relevant legal concepts are copyright, contract law and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. You are liable to be sued by the people affected for damages and/or be prosecuted by the government for the felony under either or both laws.

Let's start here: "I bought a game". No, you didn't; you bought a licence to use the software in accordance with the terms of service (licence) that you freely agreed to. All modern ToS will not allow you to reverse engineer the software or cheat in them.

If you breach those terms of service then you have broken a contract - that is what allows them to sue you.

They will no doubt argue that the prevalence of cheat routines developed by people like you reduce the number of people willing to play the game - say 100,000 users x $10/month * 12 months = $12,000,000. They will also ask the court to impose punitive damages to discourage this sort of thing.

Which brings us to the copyright violation.
You are allowed to copy their software provided you comply with the ToS. But you didn't. Therefore you are in breach of the Copyright Act and subject to additional civil and criminal sanctions.

Finally, your "cheats" access their servers in a way that the ToS doesn't authorize.
This puts you in breach of the CFFA - breaking this carries serious jail time penalties.
Not to mention that in the US/EU, a criminal conviction will preclude you from many jobs, including, naturally, any with access to company computer systems.

Putting aside the illegalities, cheats are unethical and ruin the game experience for hundreds of thousands of people who don't use cheats.

The buttom line is that:

You are a criminal, if you cheat or create cheats - stop being one !

[Nx Machina]

@ M-A-X-E™;

Which exact part of:

1) It is not illegal to use cheats in the UK. It is not a criminal offence nor a civil offence.

2) It is NOT a criminal offence because NO ONE using cheats has been prosecuted, they only get banned from games. The ONLY ones prosecuted are the CHEAT MAKERS.

Is confusing?


Oh! look there be dragons which is your entire premise every time you create a thread.

[MAXE]

Cheating or create of cheats is illegal ..

All modern ToS will not allow you to reverse engineer the software or allow you to use finished cheats, scripts or other sources that can get you unauthorize advantages within their software or their services for that matter !

https://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/

[Lily McFluffy Butt]

At this point there's no use in arguing with MAXE. He's a conspiracy theorist whose beliefs cannot be changed, no matter how inaccurate to reality they are.

[Zekiran]

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

Copyright protection is global !

When you decide to cheat you break the copyright protection & license of the game creator !
Wich is illegal in the whole world !!

It is not criminal. You don't understand how business law works, dude. Please stop. It's really, really silly how you make up all this nonsense in your head and believe your own hype.

[The End]

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

Our games are so overfloated with hacks and cheats, that i think its about time Valve & the Steam community demands personal id numbers, wich you need to get on the local police department where you sign under that you will not cheat or hack on the internet !

So how will this work ?

It won't. Sorry but you suggestion is so ridiculous I can't take it serious.

I can see you are Danish, try go to the local policestation and say you want to report a cheater from counterstrike. Don't be surprised if they laugh at you.

[Supafly]

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

The relevant legal concepts are copyright, contract law and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. You are liable to be sued by the people affected for damages and/or be prosecuted by the government for the felony under either or both laws.

Let's start here: "I bought a game". No, you didn't; you bought a licence to use the software in accordance with the terms of service (licence) that you freely agreed to. All modern ToS will not allow you to reverse engineer the software or cheat in them.

Making cheats is not reverse engineering

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

Which brings us to the copyright violation.
You are allowed to copy their software provided you comply with the ToS.

Err no. You are NOT allowed to copy their software

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

Finally, your "cheats" access their servers

No they don't. They interact with data on a users system not the servers.

Look at the EPIC case
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49972407

Yeah it's took legal action against individuals but not because they cheated. Because they created cheats, showed and facilitated others to do so.

EDIT: Also note Police were not involved.

[Judgmental Amaterasu]

Escrito originalmente por M-A-X-E™:

Escrito originalmente por Shogun Blade:

It is not a police matter to use cheats as using cheats is not illegal.

CREATING cheats is illegal in South Korea (the link you provided).

So again you have not thought this through.

I repeat.

It is not illegal to use cheats in the UK. It is not a criminal offence.

The relevant legal concepts are copyright, contract law and the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. You are liable to be sued by the people affected for damages and/or be prosecuted by the government for the felony under either or both laws.

Let's start here: "I bought a game". No, you didn't; you bought a licence to use the software in accordance with the terms of service (licence) that you freely agreed to. All modern ToS will not allow you to reverse engineer the software or cheat in them.

If you breach those terms of service then you have broken a contract - that is what allows them to sue you.

They will no doubt argue that the prevalence of cheat routines developed by people like you reduce the number of people willing to play the game - say 100,000 users x $10/month * 12 months = $12,000,000. They will also ask the court to impose punitive damages to discourage this sort of thing.

Which brings us to the copyright violation.
You are allowed to copy their software provided you comply with the ToS. But you didn't. Therefore you are in breach of the Copyright Act and subject to additional civil and criminal sanctions.

Finally, your "cheats" access their servers in a way that the ToS doesn't authorize.
This puts you in breach of the CFFA - breaking this carries serious jail time penalties.
Not to mention that in the US/EU, a criminal conviction will preclude you from many jobs, including, naturally, any with access to company computer systems.

Putting aside the illegalities, cheats are unethical and ruin the game experience for hundreds of thousands of people who don't use cheats.

The buttom line is that:

You are a criminal, if you cheat or create cheats - stop being one !

Civil litigation is not the same as criminal charges. You googled laws but didn't bother to look up the difference between criminal and civil.

[Tolkien Book Fan]

I did a brief Google search on prison sentences here in Australia. The OP is demanding that cheaters be given a sentence appropriate for some types of manslaughter, with an additional gigantic fine. This is either trolling or the OP's priorities are amazingly skewed. That brings up the obvious counterpoint to the OP's demands: no police force is going to accept this massive increase in paperwork, especially during the pandemic, for something the OP can't prove is even a civil issue let alone a police matter.