MrH Sep 30, 2021 @ 7:50pm
Minimum hours to review a game
The review system is currently pretty useless when people can leave a review after 10 seconds of gameplay. It should be set to just under 2 hours, so people can use the full refund window and then leave a review afterwards.
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Aachen Sep 30, 2021 @ 7:52pm 
A great many games are readily grasped in far fewer than two hours.
Goaty Sep 30, 2021 @ 8:13pm 
I'd say you need to at least have 2 hours in a game (past refund date) to review a game.
Azure Fang Sep 30, 2021 @ 8:17pm 
So, a game that can be completed in 10 minutes - like Trancender - or a game that can be completed in a few minutes - like Perfect Vermin or, theoretically, Super Hexagon - would require numerous playthroughs or simple hour idling to be able to be reviewed?

No.
Aachen Sep 30, 2021 @ 8:21pm 
Originally posted by Goaty:
I'd say you need to at least have 2 hours in a game (past refund date) to review a game.

And why do you say that?

Do you apply that standard to other services or products upon which you’d opine?
Gwarsbane Sep 30, 2021 @ 8:36pm 
Originally posted by MrH:
The review system is currently pretty useless when people can leave a review after 10 seconds of gameplay. It should be set to just under 2 hours, so people can use the full refund window and then leave a review afterwards.

If I can't get the game up and running for more than 5 seconds at a time, why should that limit me to not leaving a review?

All your idea will do is skew games to the positive because of the fact that if you can play it more than 2 hours, you are more likely to leave a positive review, if you are unable to stand the game or can't run it for the 2 hours, you have 2 options, refund with no review, or keep a game you hate/can't run just to leave a negative review. Most will not keep a game they hate/can't run just to say they hate it/can't run it.

But you would have found all this out had you bothered to use the search feature like you are suggested to do in the pinned thread that you would have read before posting.

This was a bad idea the first 100+ times it was suggested, its a bad idea now it will still be a bad idea the next 1000+ times its suggest.
Start_Running Sep 30, 2021 @ 9:25pm 
Originally posted by MrH:
The review system is currently pretty useless when people can leave a review after 10 seconds of gameplay. It should be set to just under 2 hours, so people can use the full refund window and then leave a review afterwards.

Hyperbole doesn'rt help your argument here. It is well known to be 5 mins. And nothing stops people from using the full refund window. But why force people to play even an hour of a game they geneuinely dislike?
[N]ebsun Sep 30, 2021 @ 9:55pm 
You should need 100% game completion with 100% of game achievements, and an understanding of the entire game development history and future plans.

Only then can you truly understand whether the game is good or not
Last edited by [N]ebsun; Sep 30, 2021 @ 9:55pm
MrH Sep 30, 2021 @ 10:18pm 
Originally posted by Start_Running:
Originally posted by MrH:
The review system is currently pretty useless when people can leave a review after 10 seconds of gameplay. It should be set to just under 2 hours, so people can use the full refund window and then leave a review afterwards.

Hyperbole doesn'rt help your argument here. It is well known to be 5 mins. And nothing stops people from using the full refund window. But why force people to play even an hour of a game they geneuinely dislike?

10 seconds, 5 minutes, what's the difference? Either way, you cannot give a fair assessment of a game in that time. When I look at a games store page and see the review score I want to know that score is coming from people who actually played the game, not people who booted it up for 5 minutes and then left a bad review (usually over something minor). It's the same people who give games 0/10 on Metacritic because of a tiny issue, they just muddy the waters and make it hard for potential buyers to know if a game is actually bad, or if it's being review bombed because the main character is a female.
Tolkien Book Fan Sep 30, 2021 @ 10:23pm 
So, if I hit a game-breaking bug early in an already short indie game, I have to idle it until I hit 110 minutes before I can review it and then refund it? What's the point of that? It isn't going to change my review.
Aachen Sep 30, 2021 @ 10:33pm 
Originally posted by MrH:

.... When I look at a games store page and see the review score I want to know that score is coming from people who actually played the game, not people who booted it up for 5 minutes and then left a bad review (usually over something minor) ....

Reviews note playtime, so they’re amenable to filtering currently.

.... It's the same people who give games 0/10 on Metacritic because of a tiny issue, they just muddy the waters and make it hard for potential buyers to know if a game is actually bad, or if it's being review bombed because the main character is a female.

Doesn’t the content of the review rather clarify such distinctions for you?
Supafly Sep 30, 2021 @ 10:44pm 
Originally posted by MrH:
Originally posted by Start_Running:

Hyperbole doesn'rt help your argument here. It is well known to be 5 mins. And nothing stops people from using the full refund window. But why force people to play even an hour of a game they geneuinely dislike?

10 seconds, 5 minutes, what's the difference? Either way, you cannot give a fair assessment of a game in that time. When I look at a games store page and see the review score I want to know that score is coming from people who actually played the game, not people who booted it up for 5 minutes and then left a bad review (usually over something minor). It's the same people who give games 0/10 on Metacritic because of a tiny issue, they just muddy the waters and make it hard for potential buyers to know if a game is actually bad, or if it's being review bombed because the main character is a female.

I've refunded several games within 30 minutes. Learnt all I needed to within that time. Cyberpunk being the latest. 'F' being forced for basic stuff and not being allowed to rebind the usual command/s to 'E' like has been used for decades on PC. Sure I could have messed around and edit a config file or something but for something as basic as reassigning a key I shouldn't have needed to. Especially when we could rebind other keys just NOT the 'F' key over 20 years playing on PC with 'E' as the default use key = I'm forever hitting E which does something else.

That annoyed me from the start so throw a few other things to dislike/get annoyed at = me saying screw it. I shouldn't have to play just under to hours to review it. Just like if I buy a car only to find the gear stick is clunky, steering wheel poorly aligned + anything else I'd return it and review it as such.

You can tell lots of things in a short time. You want to essentially prevent anyone that has a valid negative experience reviewing a game and that mean game mainly get reviewed by people that enjoyed it more = positive reviews with next to 0 negative reviews
Tito Shivan Sep 30, 2021 @ 11:48pm 
As play time can be idled it bears little sense to require a certain playtime in order to make a review. It'll only make all reviews have that minimum time, turning the stat void.
As it's now you can at least value the playtime of each review without wondering if the playtime is real or it was idled just for the sake of writing the review.
Crazy Tiger Oct 1, 2021 @ 1:26am 
No, that would mean that if people buy a broken game they can't leave a review. The 5 minute minimum is there to ensure you can leave a refund in case of technical issues with a game. Besides, people paid money for a game, they then also have the right to leave a review.

Also keep in mind that Steam reviews are merely a recommendation.

These kind of suggestions usually can get noted down to "people not liking that their favorite game gets negative reviews".

Originally posted by MrH:
Either way, you cannot give a fair assessment of a game in that time.
You can't always assess a person only has 5 minutes in a game. A friend of mine plays most of his games in offline mode. Various reviews are less than 30 minutes playtime, but in reality I know he played them for many hours.
Yasahi Oct 1, 2021 @ 1:49am 
Valve should implement a system that allows only users who've been around since 2003 to start suggestion threads. Any less and the user clearly hasn't experienced using Steam to the full extent and can't come up with proper suggestions, right? :Darling:

As others have pointed out, adding a playtime-gate to reviews would be foolish for numerous reasons and it could all be circumvented by just idling the game for a bit. Something that many already do for the trading cards. By your logic a review posted by someone who idles the game for cards would be more valid than the one made by someone who actually went past the starting screen.
Tactictard Oct 15, 2023 @ 12:25am 
Hehe, I'm restarting this topic

Personally I think if a game is ♥♥♥♥, I should not have to wait X amount of hours to review a game. If I'm gonna leave a review, I'm gonna put one down the instant I can.

Not only that, you will only see positive reviews if you want to search by X amount of hours because most negative reviews are below or directly at the 2 hour mark (rarely above). This is because you can easily review a game by its UI, gameplay and etc, and if you don't like it then stop playing it and leave a review. No game should be required to have X amount of hours to 'properly' review.
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