Χάρης 2020 年 8 月 29 日 上午 2:37
Add ' shovelware ' tag in store.
You know, so I can filter out this type of games.
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引用自 cinedine
引用自 the.jester
I mean, I would consider game series like the NBA, WWE series to be shovelware, since they seem to be full of poor mechanics, numerous bugs and are regularly churned with seemingly little to no effort purely to make money. If that isn't the definition of shovelware, I don't know what is.

Than how about you inform yourself what shovelware is?

Shovelware was cheap to license software to fill the CD when there was still room besides the main titles.
It never meant low effort or low quality. Mediocracy, sure. But it wasn't the bottom of the barrel.

:steamfacepalm: I know what the original definition of shovelware is. That has nothing to do with the context of this thread.

Please kindly point the OP in that direction then so that he can decide a different tag to use.
Quint the Alligator Snapper 2020 年 8 月 29 日 下午 12:16 
OP, I offer you the following list of games:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/quintlindwurm/games/?tab=all

Please feel free to look through the first 25, 50, 100, etc. games and tell us which ones you would consider to be shovelware and which ones not.

Don't worry; I won't bite.
Χάρης 2020 年 8 月 29 日 下午 12:32 
OP, I offer you the following list of games:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/quintlindwurm/games/?tab=all

Please feel free to look through the first 25, 50, 100, etc. games and tell us which ones you would consider to be shovelware and which ones not.

Don't worry; I won't bite.
they seem pretty decent. I am not into games that contain a lotta anime characters, but I don't consider that shovelware. I am talking about low quality games, not games I just don't like.



引用自 Satoru
“Stuff I don’t like” isn’t a category

It ain't about that, we all know that there are games that lack certain things such as story, proper level/ character design and other things which is why they end up having mostly negative reviews. Of course not all games can have story, such as racing games, but I am not talking about these since it's too obvious.

I dunno why people act as if they don't know. It's funny.
最後修改者:Χάρης; 2020 年 8 月 29 日 下午 12:33
AllocDK 2020 年 8 月 29 日 下午 12:46 
Like this game

https://store.steampowered.com/app/614970/Qbike_Cyberpunk_Motorcycles/

Game is confirmed dead by the devs
Start_Running 2020 年 8 月 29 日 下午 1:10 
引用自 AllocDK
Like this game

https://store.steampowered.com/app/614970/Qbike_Cyberpunk_Motorcycles/

Game is confirmed dead by the devs
[Citation Needed]
Start_Running 2020 年 8 月 29 日 下午 1:14 
引用自 Χάρης


引用自 Satoru
“Stuff I don’t like” isn’t a category

It ain't about that, we all know that there are games that lack certain things such as story, proper level/ character design and other things which is why they end up having mostly negative reviews. Of course not all games can have story, such as racing games, but I am not talking about these since it's too obvious.

I dunno why people act as if they don't know. It's funny.

Here's the little tidbit you might have missed. You're right in that we all know there are such games., but what may surprise you is that which games people count under that banner differs from person to person. So it boils down to 'stuff I don't like'.

The best approach in this scenario is what steam does. Make it available and let people who want to buy it, buy it. Those that don't want to..don't have to.
rawWwRrr 2020 年 8 月 29 日 下午 4:03 
引用自 Start_Running
引用自 AllocDK
Like this game

https://store.steampowered.com/app/614970/Qbike_Cyberpunk_Motorcycles/

Game is confirmed dead by the devs
[Citation Needed]
https://twitter.com/GexagonVR/status/1244351781305450498

Does it make this Shovelware though, more Abandonware, but since it's EA there's still no guarantee of working or finished product.

引用自 Χάρης
OP, I offer you the following list of games:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/quintlindwurm/games/?tab=all

Please feel free to look through the first 25, 50, 100, etc. games and tell us which ones you would consider to be shovelware and which ones not.

Don't worry; I won't bite.
they seem pretty decent. I am not into games that contain a lotta anime characters, but I don't consider that shovelware. I am talking about low quality games, not games I just don't like.



引用自 Satoru
“Stuff I don’t like” isn’t a category

It ain't about that, we all know that there are games that lack certain things such as story, proper level/ character design and other things which is why they end up having mostly negative reviews. Of course not all games can have story, such as racing games, but I am not talking about these since it's too obvious.

I dunno why people act as if they don't know. It's funny.
Because you're asking to define a name for something it isn't intended to be used for. Shovelware in today's day of games is more closely associated with asset flips. Just because a game is incomplete or still in development doesn't automatically make it shovelware. Then there's the problem where your definition of shovelware doesn't coincide with someone else's. You can't establish a tag that way. It needs to be defined. Of course we still run into watered down tags like RPG but at least the main premise of that tag is understood.

You also don't want negatively associated tags either. Once one person decides a title is shovelware then it's always shovelware? What one person feels is shovelware isn't the same as another. Now you have your game associated with a negative tag because one person didn't like your game. Do you think people out there are actively looking to buy shovelware? So once the tag is applied that person's game is dead. Doesn't seem fair.
EmotionallyBroken 2020 年 8 月 31 日 下午 5:16 

引用自 Χάρης
You know, so I can filter out this type of games.
So like.... minecraft?
Satoru 2020 年 8 月 31 日 下午 5:46 
引用自 Χάρης
It ain't about that, we all know that there are games that lack certain things such as story, proper level/ character design and other things which is why they end up having mostly negative reviews. Of course not all games can have story, such as racing games, but I am not talking about these since it's too obvious.

So you tried to come up with a very lame and vague definition, then literally in the next sentence discreted your own lame vague definition.

I dunno why people act as if they don't know. It's funny.

Its funny when people are literally unable to categorize the category they so vehemently think should exist. Shovelware isnt' a category, because you can't articulate an objective measurement for what that is.
Χάρης 2020 年 9 月 1 日 上午 2:19 
Its funny when people are literally unable to categorize the category they so vehemently think should exist. Shovelware isnt' a category, because you can't articulate an objective measurement for what that is.

low effort/budget vidya games

example : https://store.steampowered.com/app/601340/Project_of_the_Developer/
最後修改者:Χάρης; 2020 年 9 月 1 日 上午 2:27
引用自 Χάρης
OP, I offer you the following list of games:

https://steamcommunity.com/id/quintlindwurm/games/?tab=all

Please feel free to look through the first 25, 50, 100, etc. games and tell us which ones you would consider to be shovelware and which ones not.

Don't worry; I won't bite.
they seem pretty decent. I am not into games that contain a lotta anime characters, but I don't consider that shovelware. I am talking about low quality games, not games I just don't like.
Have I somehow not run into the shovelware you speak of?
最後修改者:Quint the Alligator Snapper; 2020 年 9 月 1 日 上午 2:22
Χάρης 2020 年 9 月 1 日 上午 2:22 
引用自 Χάρης
they seem pretty decent. I am not into games that contain a lotta anime characters, but I don't consider that shovelware. I am talking about low quality games, not games I just don't like.
Have I somehow not run into the shovelware you speak of?
nope.

those anime games I mentioned are basically ' puzzle ' games that reveal a naked anime chick. There's like hundreds of these and the ultimate goal is to just see sexual pics of anime girls. Could easily do that by googling.
最後修改者:Χάρης; 2020 年 9 月 1 日 上午 2:28
Sleepy Yoshi 2020 年 9 月 1 日 上午 3:25 
If the masterpiece tag persisted then I would have agreed that an antonym (not necessarily shovelware) could justifiably exist as well. However, while I didn't see any news for this, I can't find that tag on a single game anymore and it was quite a prolific tag encompassing over 1000 games just a few months ago.

This gives an indication to me that Valve doesn't want tags to be used as some form of one word 'review'.
Crazy Tiger 2020 年 9 月 1 日 上午 3:34 
引用自 Χάρης
Have I somehow not run into the shovelware you speak of?
nope.

those anime games I mentioned are basically ' puzzle ' games that reveal a naked anime chick. There's like hundreds of these and the ultimate goal is to just see sexual pics of anime girls. Could easily do that by googling.
Do you realise that you're now giving an answer that simply falls under "stuff I don't like"?
Start_Running 2020 年 9 月 1 日 上午 4:34 
引用自 Χάρης
Have I somehow not run into the shovelware you speak of?
nope.

those anime games I mentioned are basically ' puzzle ' games that reveal a naked anime chick. There's like hundreds of these and the ultimate goal is to just see sexual pics of anime girls. Could easily do that by googling.
And how many tertis clones or solitaire clones exist out there as well?



引用自 Crazy Tiger
Do you realise that you're now giving an answer that simply falls under "stuff I don't like"?

Do they ever?


引用自 Sleepy Yoshi
If the masterpiece tag persisted then I would have agreed that an antonym (not necessarily shovelware) could justifiably exist as well. However, while I didn't see any news for this, I can't find that tag on a single game anymore and it was quite a prolific tag encompassing over 1000 games just a few months ago.

This gives an indication to me that Valve doesn't want tags to be used as some form of one word 'review'.

Or it could just mean that there's very little consensus as to what couunts as a 'Masterpiece'. See thats the thing with entertainment. The goal is to enttertain and whatt people find entertauining is even more varied than what people consider 'edible' and just slightly less varied thn what peopl e can consider 'arousing'.

FOr quite a few though there's a bit of mental gymnastics. We end to see the things we like as objectively good, because we like them. Ergo people that don't just don't 'understand it', 'get it', or simply have 'poor/weird taste'.

This is part of why some fans will lose their ♥♥♥♥ if a critic or anyone else dars to give the game they have deemed perfect a score so low as 7/10. ANd why some will equally lose their ♥♥♥♥ if someone dares imply that the game they have declared a stain on humanity itself to be 'Meh'.

What someone considers a masterpiece others consider dreck. and vice versa so you would invariably reach a point where a particularly polarizing game will have both the Masterpiece and shovelware tag.

Also. Shovelware is not the the antonym of masterpiece..ithat would be pablum if anything. As was pointed out already, shovelware is simply just filler.. They are just banal games that are just used to pad out a disk or bundle.
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