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Cray Aug 4, 2020 @ 1:07pm
Increase friends list limit
300 isn't enough after a while. Somewhat to my surprise, I can remember 95% of the people on my FL and feel bad for removing people to free up slots, but I'm forced to in order to add new people.

When you've been on the platform for years and made a substantial amount of purchases, you have earned the right to a relaxed FL limit without playing silly meta-games to 'level up' on steam.

Yes, you can jump through the hoops they've arranged to earn more slots, but.. I've been here for about a decade and a half now, my account's worth of purchases is at least 500 eur. I shouldn't have to earn stupid badges to circumvent an easily surpassed limit that's become an obstacle.
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Gwarsbane Aug 4, 2020 @ 1:13pm 
Raise your level and you will be able to add more friends. You can easily raise your level by just doing free stuff during the sale events. You don't even have to buy stuff.
Crazy Tiger Aug 4, 2020 @ 1:26pm 
It's irrelevant how long you've been on the platofrm or how much money you spend on games. You also have not earned any rights, as there are no rights to anything on here.
Friend slots are tied to the levels, so if you want more friend slots, simply raise your level.

The meta-game is part of the Steam economy. If you don't like it, you obviously don't have to participate. But you also don't have to expect to get anything, as you aren't owed anything.

Besides, no matter where the line is drawn, people will always want more.
Gliphel Aug 6, 2020 @ 8:58am 
I agree with the others here, the leveling system should have incentive and it is a pretty decent way to stimulate the Steam market.

However, I see your point. You deserve to have (x) friends. I am in-between, however more so leaning towards giving levelling incentive. I'm sorry.

I only choose this approach because there's a lot of amazing purpose in showing yourself to be outside of others that is just overall a fun ability. Whether it's buying the cards in the market, getting them in games, etc. The cards are there because they opt to level you up.

However, again, you deserve (x) friends, you shouldn't be limited to (x) friends just because you don't have the money to buy said cards perhaps, or don't have the time to earn them which takes months as they are very randomly rewarded at very spiratic generally rare rates. Ergo I don't think anyone should be jumping you here, i'm just saying I agree with them because the leveling system does have good purpose.

+1, just for this to be considered and because your approach is exactly how I would approach this issue. In increasing (x) friends on level 0, they can increase (x) friends on level 1-etc., there shouldn't be much limit at all in the higher to highest level. However, I am unexperienced on the benefits of highest level quite yet. It should still be considered appropriately.
Last edited by Gliphel; Aug 6, 2020 @ 8:59am
Cray Aug 13, 2020 @ 8:28pm 
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
It's irrelevant how long you've been on the platofrm or how much money you spend on games. You also have not earned any rights, as there are no rights to anything on here.
Friend slots are tied to the levels, so if you want more friend slots, simply raise your level.

The meta-game is part of the Steam economy. If you don't like it, you obviously don't have to participate. But you also don't have to expect to get anything, as you aren't owed anything.

Besides, no matter where the line is drawn, people will always want more.

The metagaming aspect is meant to stimulate the steam economy, and you get little perks as a reward. The logic is that adding directly to the steam economy by making substantial purchases ought to carry some of the same rewards. Nothing far fetched or odd about it at all.


Cray Aug 13, 2020 @ 8:53pm 
Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:
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Besides, no matter where the line is drawn, people will always want more.

That's generally true of anything, doesn't mean any placement of the line is as good as any other.

Most people seem able to roughly remember 300 or so people if they've been steadily adding and playing with them over a period of years. It becomes a constraining limit after some time, as some have noticed, which is partially why I emphasize how long someone's been on the platform.

I think most of them could reasonably argue that 300 was a bit painful when they had to remove people they know. I don' think they could make the same argument with 600 or 1000 people, as most people just don't have the memory capacity to make that as reasonable a request.
Cray Aug 13, 2020 @ 8:58pm 
Originally posted by Gliphel:
I agree with the others here, the leveling system should have incentive and it is a pretty decent way to stimulate the Steam market.

However, I see your point. You deserve to have (x) friends. I am in-between, however more so leaning towards giving levelling incentive. I'm sorry.

I only choose this approach because there's a lot of amazing purpose in showing yourself to be outside of others that is just overall a fun ability. Whether it's buying the cards in the market, getting them in games, etc. The cards are there because they opt to level you up.

However, again, you deserve (x) friends, you shouldn't be limited to (x) friends just because you don't have the money to buy said cards perhaps, or don't have the time to earn them which takes months as they are very randomly rewarded at very spiratic generally rare rates. Ergo I don't think anyone should be jumping you here, i'm just saying I agree with them because the leveling system does have good purpose.

+1, just for this to be considered and because your approach is exactly how I would approach this issue. In increasing (x) friends on level 0, they can increase (x) friends on level 1-etc., there shouldn't be much limit at all in the higher to highest level. However, I am unexperienced on the benefits of highest level quite yet. It should still be considered appropriately.

I don't really mind the metagaming as such, and your point that it helps people who can't afford to buy tons of games etc. is a good one. I just feel it's a bit uneven that you can't get at least some of the benefits (not necessarily shiny avatar frames and the like) for giving steam a fair amount of extra cash.

I'm pretty sure the cost of it in terms of bandwidth and computing/storage resources would be insignificant compared to their overall expenditure if something like this were aimed at users with a given number of purchases (mo money in da bank to pay for it all).
Cray Aug 14, 2020 @ 3:05pm 
Originally posted by SMUCKEY:
You have only 4 badges. You need to learn to level up ...
It is true that no one forces you to level up(or participate in some of the events), but that is why you will be limited with the list of friends. Get used to this too ..

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=212414540

It seems you missed both the point of the suggestion - increase friends list without requiring 'level up', and didn't quite read what I wrote.
Cray Aug 14, 2020 @ 3:15pm 
Originally posted by SMUCKEY:
Originally posted by Cray:

It seems you missed both the point of the suggestion - increase friends list without requiring 'level up', and didn't quite read what I wrote.

Well, I'm not the one who wants to change things that have always been the same....

Changing things is literally what this section of the forums is for. Literally.

You seem a bit confused about the nature and intent of this whole post.

Cray Aug 14, 2020 @ 3:39pm 
Originally posted by SMUCKEY:
Originally posted by Cray:

Changing things is literally what this section of the forums is for. Literally.

You seem a bit confused about the nature and intent of this whole post.

It is true that this forum is dedicated to suggestions. The problem is that you are one person and yet the majority must agree. In this case, only you agree with yourself.

Again, you're completely missing the point. This is a suggestion, comments are meant to discuss it, bring in some arguments for or against.

All you're doing is making statements about what's already implied.

"You need to learn to level up" - I don't.

It was implied that I know how this works, and thought it's a good idea to incentivise people to contribute economically beyond mere community participation, while reaping some of the same benefits.

"I'm not the one who wants to change things" - Correct. That's me, and some others for that matter. Pointing this out is completely useless. It's not an argument, just spiteful bouncing of a dull fact everyone can see plainly.

"you agree with yourself." Neither true nor false, just a pointless thing to say when this is supposed to be a discussion. If I were the only one who posted in favor of it, that still wouldn't make me the only one who agreed with it, just the only one to voice it, though if you scroll up and actually read the thread before replying, you'll see that's not entirely true either.

" The problem is that you are one person and yet the majority must agree." No. You're writing as if this is a ballot vote, not a discussion. Nobody has to majority agree to anything. It's a discussion.

You should try coming up with something constructive to say instead of these run-of-the-mill shoot-down-the-idea posts.
Cray Aug 14, 2020 @ 4:12pm 
Originally posted by SMUCKEY:
Originally posted by Cray:

Again, you're completely missing the point. This is a suggestion, comments are meant to discuss it, bring in some arguments for or against.

All you're doing is making statements about what's already implied.

"You need to learn to level up" - I don't.

It was implied that I know how this works, and thought it's a good idea to incentivise people to contribute economically beyond mere community participation, while reaping some of the same benefits.

"I'm not the one who wants to change things" - Correct. That's me, and some others for that matter. Pointing this out is completely useless. It's not an argument, just spiteful bouncing of a dull fact everyone can see plainly.

"you agree with yourself." Neither true nor false, just a pointless thing to say when this is supposed to be a discussion. If I were the only one who posted in favor of it, that still wouldn't make me the only one who agreed with it, just the only one to voice it, though if you scroll up and actually read the thread before replying, you'll see that's not entirely true either.

" The problem is that you are one person and yet the majority must agree." No. You're writing as if this is a ballot vote, not a discussion. Nobody has to majority agree to anything. It's a discussion.

You should try coming up with something constructive to say instead of these run-of-the-mill shoot-down-the-idea posts.


No one will benefit without contributing anything. You have to understand that. If you want to change all these things to benefit low level accounts like yours, it is not a right decision from the moment others have done leveling to increase the numbers of friend list. Everyone explained to you what was obvious. If you don't want to understand that this will never be changed just because it benefits you.


I have not seen anyone who posted in this discussion agree with you. So yes, only you agree with yourself so far.

A discussion cannot be constructive as long as everyone repeats the same things to you.
If you want to increase your limit of friends you have to increase in level. Simple clear and correct = for everyone.

My claim still stands. You still need to learn to level up..

Needing to learn it implies not knowing how. You're missing this basic tidbit once again, so I'll just ignore further comments from you since you're clearly not paying attention.
JPMcMillen Aug 22, 2020 @ 1:45pm 
Originally posted by Cray:
Originally posted by SMUCKEY:
You have only 4 badges. You need to learn to level up ...
It is true that no one forces you to level up(or participate in some of the events), but that is why you will be limited with the list of friends. Get used to this too ..

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=212414540

It seems you missed both the point of the suggestion - increase friends list without requiring 'level up', and didn't quite read what I wrote.
That's not how Valve wants to do it. They want you to buy/trade cards to craft badges along with participating in big sales events.

You don't even have to buy any games to level up an account. You can just buy super cheap sets of cards from any game to craft badges.

But if you want more friend slots, Valve expects you to earn them.
ih8h2cuwu4s Aug 23, 2020 @ 12:49am 
Originally posted by Cray:
Originally posted by SMUCKEY:

It is true that this forum is dedicated to suggestions. The problem is that you are one person and yet the majority must agree. In this case, only you agree with yourself.

Again, you're completely missing the point. This is a suggestion, comments are meant to discuss it, bring in some arguments for or against.

All you're doing is making statements about what's already implied.

"You need to learn to level up" - I don't.

It was implied that I know how this works, and thought it's a good idea to incentivise people to contribute economically beyond mere community participation, while reaping some of the same benefits.

"I'm not the one who wants to change things" - Correct. That's me, and some others for that matter. Pointing this out is completely useless. It's not an argument, just spiteful bouncing of a dull fact everyone can see plainly.

"you agree with yourself." Neither true nor false, just a pointless thing to say when this is supposed to be a discussion. If I were the only one who posted in favor of it, that still wouldn't make me the only one who agreed with it, just the only one to voice it, though if you scroll up and actually read the thread before replying, you'll see that's not entirely true either.

" The problem is that you are one person and yet the majority must agree." No. You're writing as if this is a ballot vote, not a discussion. Nobody has to majority agree to anything. It's a discussion.

You should try coming up with something constructive to say instead of these run-of-the-mill shoot-down-the-idea posts.

I've only visited the forums a little in the dozen years I've been a Steam user, and unfortunately "run-of-the-mill-shoot-down-the-idea posts" seem to be the standard. Without a way to +1 posts all users are left is to make similar requests endlessly. And just because an idea has been suggested without adoption by Steam in the past doesn't disqualify the discussion aspect that the forums are built upon. People seem to think that reposts are an indicator of ignorance. That they're an annoyance. And find some gratification in snowballing their disapprovals together. I say keep up the good fight. Nothing great ever got accomplished by someone whose first instinct is to think change is impossible.
JPMcMillen Aug 23, 2020 @ 11:20am 
Originally posted by khes_bah_lah:
I've only visited the forums a little in the dozen years I've been a Steam user, and unfortunately "run-of-the-mill-shoot-down-the-idea posts" seem to be the standard. Without a way to +1 posts all users are left is to make similar requests endlessly. And just because an idea has been suggested without adoption by Steam in the past doesn't disqualify the discussion aspect that the forums are built upon. People seem to think that reposts are an indicator of ignorance. That they're an annoyance. And find some gratification in snowballing their disapprovals together. I say keep up the good fight. Nothing great ever got accomplished by someone whose first instinct is to think change is impossible.

Except in this case Valve has created a way to increase the number of people you can have on your friends list and apparently has no intention of changing it. Just because the OP is acting entitled and doesn't want to do things the way everyone else has to, isn't a reason to change it. He has to do it the same way everyone else has too, by leveling up his account.
Cray Aug 24, 2020 @ 7:34am 
Originally posted by khes_bah_lah:
I've only visited the forums a little in the dozen years I've been a Steam user, and unfortunately "run-of-the-mill-shoot-down-the-idea posts" seem to be the standard. Without a way to +1 posts all users are left is to make similar requests endlessly. And just because an idea has been suggested without adoption by Steam in the past doesn't disqualify the discussion aspect that the forums are built upon. People seem to think that reposts are an indicator of ignorance. That they're an annoyance. And find some gratification in snowballing their disapprovals together. I say keep up the good fight. Nothing great ever got accomplished by someone whose first instinct is to think change is impossible.

This. My sentiment exactly, and precisely why I so rarely use these forums. It's chock full of closet valve fanboys and people all trigger happy to shoot down any idea, plus a heap of people who 'just post to post'. Re-posting an idea is somehow inherently bad, but responding to an old thread is necro'ing, and also bad.

Almost every post here just proves it, and more, abundantly.
Cray Aug 24, 2020 @ 7:41am 
Originally posted by JPMcMillen:
Originally posted by khes_bah_lah:
I've only visited the forums a little in the dozen years I've been a Steam user, and unfortunately "run-of-the-mill-shoot-down-the-idea posts" seem to be the standard. Without a way to +1 posts all users are left is to make similar requests endlessly. And just because an idea has been suggested without adoption by Steam in the past doesn't disqualify the discussion aspect that the forums are built upon. People seem to think that reposts are an indicator of ignorance. That they're an annoyance. And find some gratification in snowballing their disapprovals together. I say keep up the good fight. Nothing great ever got accomplished by someone whose first instinct is to think change is impossible.

Except in this case Valve has created a way to increase the number of people you can have on your friends list and apparently has no intention of changing it. Just because the OP is acting entitled and doesn't want to do things the way everyone else has to, isn't a reason to change it. He has to do it the same way everyone else has too, by leveling up his account.

You're just re-proving so many previous points about why these forums are so woefully unconstructive. There's nothing 'entitled' about suggesting that "pouring a hundred dollars into valve's pocket over an extended use period ought to carry the same benefits as the economic boost to their platform some social participation and metagaming gets you". Pretty logical in fact, but of course, instead of properly looking at the text paragraphs preceeding this and considering the logic, you can just repeat the same info that's already been posted here a handful of times over already, add a few adjectives, and join the snowball. Basically just underlining what's in the post you responded to.
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