Revert to Previous Steam Client

[Evil Frosty]

I would prefer to run a previous version of the Steam Client on my Windows PC as I am unsatisfied with the recent user interface changes; previously, these UI changes could be reverted with command line settings, and this was sufficient to placate my needs. But recently, Steam has removed this feature, so I would like to revert to a version that allows me to retain the UI I desire.

[Zefar]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zesc7:

Okay, let's do this with numbers to make naswering easier:

1. Yeah, it "migth be of some use". Even if the handyness is rather obscure, the only reason one should ever remove a feature is if it's a security issue. Don't fix what is not broken.
   
2. You could hover over your avatar to check for your current badge and steam level... but yeah, i totally forgot about that other way. Giving that one to you. But the dropdown list once had a very pleasant way to directly charge your wallet iirc, which is now gone. it is just one click more, but there is absolutely no reason to make it worse in design.
   
3. Afaik, most popular appstores allow for verification of who made the app? Also, there is a vast difference between "suited for a device's interface" and "not recognizable anymore". How does it comes that Windows and many others got this straigth with their OSs (which are far more complex than a mere client)?
   
4. I always used my chat in that size. As dedicated achievement hunter i had my chat in the upper-left corner of my overlay, my achievement progress page in full screen hight in the middle and a guide opened on the entire left half. Friendslist and music player were located underneath the chat in a manner that still let me see the clock. If i want a full-screen chat because i am discussing the concept of mind over matter int he LGBTQ+ community, i go toa proper chat program (e.g. Discord).
   
5. Pay attention how you dodge all complains about general flaws and glitches. I'm not trying to "win" this debatte, but dropping an valid point about Valve having released an unstable update is not the way to argue.

1: But it wasn't much of a use before either. It wasn't fixed it was changed.
2: Yeah you see, I'm the type that doesn't care much about that. If I want to see it I can visit my profile. I think a lot of people also don't care that it would show Steam level and Steam badge.
When you click "View my wallet" you're brought to the list where you can select how much you want to add to Steam. I can't imagine it being any faster on the previous version.

3: Ah but most customers might not know this. Still the Mobile version is actually quite a bit different due to the lack of space. Actually take a look on the app.

4: Then I'm sure you're in a minority with the chat window at that size. Just enlarging it a bit would solve a lot of your problems with the lack of chat area.
5: You might think they are general flaws, I don't. Because so far the issues you've brought up are very very minor ones. To the point where you're just grasping at any tiny flaws in the UI.

[Jacek112PL]

When you are using -steamos you can't use shift + tab Steam. So this is not good successor of -nofriendsui. Any other ideas?

[Evil Frosty]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Jacek112PL:

When you are using -nosteamui you can't use shift + tab Steam. So this is not good successor of -nofriendsui. Any other ideas?

"-nosteamui" was also critized in other ways; the bottom line is it's not an answer to the problematic ui issues. I suspect there will not be a resolution to this issue, and you'll be forced to just find a way to deal with it.

[Jacek112PL]

Saying -nosteamui was my mistake, I thought about -steamos. I also edited my post.

[Baltist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Jacek112PL:

When you are using -nosteamui you can't use shift + tab Steam. So this is not good successor of -nofriendsui. Any other ideas?

You and i are both equally ****ed on this matter mate.

[Zefar]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Evil Frosty:

Nice deflection in not answering why the new UI isn't optional; also, nice redirction in trying to repaint the issue in it being the number of years the chat window hadn't been updated. Both points miss the overarching point of the discussion.

Because I've already said it before. Valve has made UI updates for Steam mandatory for everyone. Why would it change with this one?
There have been topics about people asking for an update for the chat and because Valve had already updated all other parts of Steam leaving the chat for last they actually had a fun time updating it.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zesc7:

Iirc, there was some rather negative feedback by the beta testers on the new chat ui. But steam didn't considered the critisim, raising the question why they had beta testers at all.

The nasty feedback might just be the same type that was posted on the forums where they just said it's the worst piece of ♥♥♥♥ ever made and that type of criticism is disregarded as it's not constructive.

[Evil Frosty]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

1: But it wasn't much of a use before either. It wasn't fixed it was changed.
2: Yeah you see, I'm the type that doesn't care much about that. If I want to see it I can visit my profile. I think a lot of people also don't care that it would show Steam level and Steam badge.
When you click "View my wallet" you're brought to the list where you can select how much you want to add to Steam. I can't imagine it being any faster on the previous version.

3: Ah but most customers might not know this. Still the Mobile version is actually quite a bit different due to the lack of space. Actually take a look on the app.

4: Then I'm sure you're in a minority with the chat window at that size. Just enlarging it a bit would solve a lot of your problems with the lack of chat area.
5: You might think they are general flaws, I don't. Because so far the issues you've brought up are very very minor ones. To the point where you're just grasping at any tiny flaws in the UI.

Still missing the broad argument here; by continually redirecting and deflecting your responses, you are missing big opportunity to just come out and say that valve made this change because they are trying to drive alternative clients to their brand and don't care that they are injuring their windows user base in the process. It's right there, and yet you refuse to admit it.

[Evil Frosty]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Evil Frosty:

Nice deflection in not answering why the new UI isn't optional; also, nice redirction in trying to repaint the issue in it being the number of years the chat window hadn't been updated. Both points miss the overarching point of the discussion.

Because I've already said it before. Valve has made UI updates for Steam mandatory for everyone. Why would it change with this one?
There have been topics about people asking for an update for the chat and because Valve had already updated all other parts of Steam leaving the chat for last they actually had a fun time updating it.

Technically, I have not seen a valid argument presented yet as to why the new UI can't be optional for those who want it. It was working on a command line prompt before, therefore it was working as some would like. Matter of fact, this entire thread is a suggestion to allow people to use an older version of the client that allows just that. Try again.

[Mk3dan]

For the record, I much prefer the very small chat window.

I also prefer the lower demand on system resources that the old chat took.

[Baltist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mk3dan:

For the record, I much prefer the very small chat window.

I also prefer the lower demand on system resources that the old chat took.

Agreed, and the fact that some people defend this by saying "buy more expensive ****" is ****ing hilarious.

[derpasorus-rex]

guess valve is like that and we have to stick with there stuff

[Zesc]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

1: But it wasn't much of a use before either. It wasn't fixed it was changed.
2: Yeah you see, I'm the type that doesn't care much about that. If I want to see it I can visit my profile. I think a lot of people also don't care that it would show Steam level and Steam badge.
When you click "View my wallet" you're brought to the list where you can select how much you want to add to Steam. I can't imagine it being any faster on the previous version.

3: Ah but most customers might not know this. Still the Mobile version is actually quite a bit different due to the lack of space. Actually take a look on the app.

4: Then I'm sure you're in a minority with the chat window at that size. Just enlarging it a bit would solve a lot of your problems with the lack of chat area.
5: You might think they are general flaws, I don't. Because so far the issues you've brought up are very very minor ones. To the point where you're just grasping at any tiny flaws in the UI.

1. It was removed. For not reason. Also, you#re nto familiar with the idiom "don't fix what is not broken"? It pretty much means: never change a runnign system, cuz every change is a potential proble source.
   
2. Depends on the method you're charging your account with... i guess having your credit card information tied to your accoutn makes things easier? Idk, i'm none of those people doing such things.
   
3. You can't prepare for every Luser like that. Other companies, soems ignificantly more wealthy than Valve, don't need such a comformity. And even if, my point stands: You can have similar design, but that doesn't means you must require PC users to do spastic movements to get soemthing to work. (Warning, this statement was stilistically exagerated.)
   
4. Someone already said here that the advantage of windowed OS is being abel to adjust windows to the size you want them. Why make a minority have to deal with grave problems now for no reason?
   
5. General flaws? Hmmm... here is a WHOLE LIST of them: https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/1762481957308791655/
   But, yeah... visually imparied people are just a minorty. Just as people with slow machines that can't handle the new patch. Who cares about minorities, rigth?
   
   
   
   

   โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

   The nasty feedback might just be the same type that was posted on the forums where they just said it's the worst piece of ♥♥♥♥ ever made and that type of criticism is disregarded as it's not constructive.

6. You're generalizing without ever having seen these critisim. And yes, people are morons, no doubt... but not in entirety, and it is also in Valve's responsibility to make sure they don't get trolls into their bet test. Because if you just ignore all suggestions, do not need to beta test at all, as i already mentioned.

I'll continue, but this post is already awfully long, and i'm afraid people migth ninja me.

[Evil Frosty]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Mk3dan:

For the record, I much prefer the very small chat window.

I also prefer the lower demand on system resources that the old chat took.

Another vote for choice in UI! That's the best part about being given a choice: you can have it the way you want it :) Forcing one way or another on users is just wrong to half the user base!

[Zefar]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Evil Frosty:

Still missing the broad argument here; by continually redirecting and deflecting your responses, you are missing big opportunity to just come out and say that valve made this change because they are trying to drive alternative clients to their brand and don't care that they are injuring their windows user base in the process. It's right there, and yet you refuse to admit it.

Valve made this change because they hadn't updated the Steam chat in a very long time. All other parts of Steam had been updated and now it was the chatUI and Friends UI time to be updated.
Every client that has been around for a long time has gone through UI updates. If Steam never updated it's look it would still look like that Dusty Green back from the old days. Which still generated the most amount of hate out of all the UI updates in Steam history.

They are not injuring any Windows users in this process. The chat was updated and given a slightly new look and yes I find it to be slightly new and not radically new.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Evil Frosty:

Technically, I have not seen a valid argument presented yet as to why the new UI can't be optional for those who want it. It was working on a command line prompt before, therefore it was working as some would like. Matter of fact, this entire thread is a suggestion to allow people to use an older version of the client that allows just that. Try again.

While I don't know the reason why that command was still in but I'm guessing it had something to do with Big Picture mode. Where the chat wouldn't work and might have done so if you used the old command line.

But testing big picture now the chat do work so they might just have removed the line for that reason.

Also having two versions of a chat means that if they update something they have to make it work on both of them. Maybe the old one gets broken in a way when something on Steam is updated.

But we still have the good old, "Valve never let people revert an UI change before." line.

[Baltist]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Zefar:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Evil Frosty:

Still missing the broad argument here; by continually redirecting and deflecting your responses, you are missing big opportunity to just come out and say that valve made this change because they are trying to drive alternative clients to their brand and don't care that they are injuring their windows user base in the process. It's right there, and yet you refuse to admit it.

Valve made this change because they hadn't updated the Steam chat in a very long time. All other parts of Steam had been updated and now it was the chatUI and Friends UI time to be updated.
Every client that has been around for a long time has gone through UI updates. If Steam never updated it's look it would still look like that Dusty Green back from the old days. Which still generated the most amount of hate out of all the UI updates in Steam history.

They are not injuring any Windows users in this process. The chat was updated and given a slightly new look and yes I find it to be slightly new and not radically new.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Evil Frosty:

Technically, I have not seen a valid argument presented yet as to why the new UI can't be optional for those who want it. It was working on a command line prompt before, therefore it was working as some would like. Matter of fact, this entire thread is a suggestion to allow people to use an older version of the client that allows just that. Try again.

While I don't know the reason why that command was still in but I'm guessing it had something to do with Big Picture mode. Where the chat wouldn't work and might have done so if you used the old command line.

But testing big picture now the chat do work so they might just have removed the line for that reason.

Also having two versions of a chat means that if they update something they have to make it work on both of them. Maybe the old one gets broken in a way when something on Steam is updated.

But we still have the good old, "Valve never let people revert an UI change before." line.

A. Valve could've updated steam WITHOUT ruining the UI. In fact, they were kinda doing that for years. This new UI is forced on people who don't want it without being given a option of going back to the old UI, and the reason that you seem to be giving me is because "**** it, time to do something new"? How about giving users the OPTION of how they want their user experience to be? That'd be something new that everyone could agree on.

B. If that's the case, why are some people STILL having issues with big picture mode, even after the recent update?! Yeah, you might not be having any issues, but welcome to the world of PCs, where five machines with identical hardware can all be completely ****ed in five seperate ways with no clue as to why. We're on PCs, not smart phones. So stop like your experience is the only one that exsists.