Forums are too strict.

[The Gut]

I can't post topics on these forums without mods locking them.


Why don't you guys loosen up your rules, because all I see here is a bunch of people agreeing with each other, then when someone gets mad about a game, they complain, and get their topics locked and get banned.

This is not a Public Forum, its a watered down group of cultists and fanboys defended by developers and mods, who only seek fanboys and oust everyone who does not like their bad decisions both on game making and moderation of these forums.

Constructive Posting is a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t concept and is being largely abused here, as an arbitrary way to selectively ban people who are disliked, have an objective complaint, or flat out say unpopular things. These is no real rule here, its just a nebulous thing to kick people out. Bad bad stuff guys.

Baiting people.
What in the actual ♥♥♥♥ is baiting people?

How about let people argue and hash is out on the forums instead of treat people like they are your kids, and somehow you are some moral authority on what is right and wrong?

Oh wait, you're just going to say you have to keep the boards sterile and clean or others will be driven off, right?
Wrong, you have a language filter and explicit rules, most of which I do not break but somehow these forums are so soft and petty that I cannot talk about anything interesting or controversial here without worrying about reporting and mods locking or banning me.

Does anyone else see this as a problem or am I just one unique all powerful person who makes people do things driving them beyond their own self control and therefor pose a danger to this online community.

Give me a break people.....

[The Gut]

BurntByHellfire původně napsal:

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And the one who called on this to be an "truly free speech" platform probably ignores the horrors caused on "free speech" platforms like Gab, Bitchute (whose filtering here was described as a convenient mistake by a moderator), 8chan/8kun, etc where things turn extremely ugly, hateful, and even deadly. (P.S. That last one needs a word filter update, the name change circumvents the Steam filter)

Deadly you say? How so?

What I think he is trying to say is that people can get into insult wars, and unstable people on the internet with a bad situation could be pushed to the point of Suicide after engaging with a mean person on the forums.

This is why we need some rules.

I don’t like the fact that people are giving up all accountability here saying that words caused someone’s death, and the person causing their own death is somehow not accountable.
Clearly we give responsibility to the person saying stuff and not the person acting.

But it’s better to play on the safe side when human life is at risk, right?

[Ulfrinn]

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BurntByHellfire původně napsal:

Deadly you say? How so?

If you dunp all moderation things lead from one thing to another and bext thing you know the forum is praising a killing spree.

i see few people on any platform praising a killing spree, and those that do are pretty evenly dispersed across platforms.. i know twitter tried claiming gab was a platform for a spree killer... who actually did most of his posts on twitter as a means to attack one of their competitors in social media, but completely baseless and disproven.. evidently that's where you're getting your information

just like more recently some clown shooter was a member of 8chan, and that automatically made 8chan a source of violence.. according to the media, ignoring that he was also an active member on 4chan, and facebook who got a pass, why do you think that was?.. when only a couple of these people have accounts on gab, or 8chan, and ALL of them seem to be active on facebook and twitter, why does FB and twitter get passes from the press?

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BurntByHellfire původně napsal:

Deadly you say? How so?

What I think he is trying to say is that people can get into insult wars, and unstable people on the internet with a bad situation could be pushed to the point of Suicide after engaging with a mean person on the forums.

This is why we need some rules.

I don’t like the fact that people are giving up all accountability here saying that words caused someone’s death, and the person causing their own death is somehow not accountable.
Clearly we give responsibility to the person saying stuff and not the person acting.

But it’s better to play on the safe side when human life is at risk, right?

nah, i knew what it was when he first said what he did because its the line the media was pushing around after a couple events, and bears no credibility for the reasons i stated above.. it was an attempt by the media to push a skewed story to suggest that censorship and bans on speech is a good thing.. entirely politically motivated to glorify censorship

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Tomas Nau původně napsal:

They shouldn't moderate anything.

You have remarkable taste in literature...for an Emergent. Couldnt leave it on your profile so I had to leave it here.

[dont add me]

Someone can be bothered if you say you like pepsi or you don't like coca-cola. Giving offense is not required for it to be taken. Hypothetical offense takers can also be invented for any and all things. That is why clear rules are important, so that a moderator cannot simply invent their own interpretations of what a poster supposedly "really" meant by something (mind reading), and take offense on behalf of real or imagined person(s).

Offense is a poor standard. Tone is a poor standard as well for the same reasons. It is an attempt to make everyone responsible for everyone else's emotions. It's not only childish and regressive, but entirely unreasonable and unworkable, but it sure makes a hell of a great excuse to punish somebody when no clear reason exists.

It's moderators who should be careful about what they say and how they say it, because they are the ones wielding the authority and there is a systemic imbalance at work which needs to be acknowledged there. Moderators are a necessary evil. Mods are not to be worshiped, sucked up to, or placed on a pedestal. They are meant to perform a service for the community. They're not the good guys, and they're not superior in any way. They're merely servants. Grunts. Humility should never be beneath them. At least, that's the ideal. The real is never the same as the ideal. In reality you are more likely to witness the pretense of moral superiority than you are to witness even a small hint of humility.

[The Gut]

Toast původně napsal:

Someone can be bothered if you say you like pepsi or you don't like coca-cola. Giving offense is not required for it to be taken. Hypothetical offense takers can also be invented for any and all things. That is why clear rules are important, so that a moderator cannot simply invent their own interpretations of what a poster supposedly "really" meant by something (mind reading), and take offense on behalf of real or imagined person(s).

Offense is a poor standard. Tone is a poor standard as well for the same reasons. It is an attempt to make everyone responsible for everyone else's emotions. It's not only childish and regressive, but entirely unreasonable and unworkable, but it sure makes a hell of a great excuse to punish somebody when no clear reason exists.

It's moderators who should be careful about what they say and how they say it, because they are the ones wielding the authority and there is a systemic imbalance at work which needs to be acknowledged there. Moderators are a necessary evil. Mods are not to be worshiped, sucked up to, or placed on a pedestal. They are meant to perform a service for the community. They're not the good guys, and they're not superior in any way. They're merely servants. Grunts. Humility should never be beneath them. At least, that's the ideal. The real is never the same as the ideal. In reality you are more likely to witness the pretense of moral superiority than you are to witness even a small hint of humility.

A man after my own heart here.

Well put, moral superiority and lack of accountability are two things contributing to the censorship mentality and thought control. I hate it.

We will never have a perfect world. It’s just a balance of things, and when you take something away you might improve something small but create a much bigger problem somewhere else.

Mods are needed unfortunately.

[KillahInstinct]

Toast původně napsal:

Someone can be bothered if you say you like pepsi or you don't like coca-cola. Giving offense is not required for it to be taken. Hypothetical offense takers can also be invented for any and all things. That is why clear rules are important, so that a moderator cannot simply invent their own interpretations of what a poster supposedly "really" meant by something (mind reading), and take offense on behalf of real or imagined person(s).

Offense is a poor standard. Tone is a poor standard as well for the same reasons. It is an attempt to make everyone responsible for everyone else's emotions. It's not only childish and regressive, but entirely unreasonable and unworkable, but it sure makes a hell of a great excuse to punish somebody when no clear reason exists.

It's moderators who should be careful about what they say and how they say it, because they are the ones wielding the authority and there is a systemic imbalance at work which needs to be acknowledged there. Moderators are a necessary evil. Mods are not to be worshiped, sucked up to, or placed on a pedestal. They are meant to perform a service for the community. They're not the good guys, and they're not superior in any way. They're merely servants. Grunts. Humility should never be beneath them. At least, that's the ideal. The real is never the same as the ideal. In reality you are more likely to witness the pretense of moral superiority than you are to witness even a small hint of humility.

Good post. I concur.

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BurntByHellfire původně napsal:

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If you dunp all moderation things lead from one thing to another and bext thing you know the forum is praising a killing spree.

i see few people on any platform praising a killing spree, and those that do are pretty evenly dispersed across platforms.. i know twitter tried claiming gab was a platform for a spree killer... who actually did most of his posts on twitter as a means to attack one of their competitors in social media, but completely baseless and disproven.. evidently that's where you're getting your information

just like more recently some clown shooter was a member of 8chan, and that automatically made 8chan a source of violence.. according to the media, ignoring that he was also an active member on 4chan, and facebook who got a pass, why do you think that was?.. when only a couple of these people have accounts on gab, or 8chan, and ALL of them seem to be active on facebook and twitter, why does FB and twitter get passes from the press?

And have you noticed the sites you mentioned get blanked out? Valve is aware those sites are loaded with abuse, perhaps the name of one isn't blanked out due to the term being too generic, as surely they would blank that one out too?

[Ulfrinn]

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BurntByHellfire původně napsal:

i see few people on any platform praising a killing spree, and those that do are pretty evenly dispersed across platforms.. i know twitter tried claiming gab was a platform for a spree killer... who actually did most of his posts on twitter as a means to attack one of their competitors in social media, but completely baseless and disproven.. evidently that's where you're getting your information

just like more recently some clown shooter was a member of 8chan, and that automatically made 8chan a source of violence.. according to the media, ignoring that he was also an active member on 4chan, and facebook who got a pass, why do you think that was?.. when only a couple of these people have accounts on gab, or 8chan, and ALL of them seem to be active on facebook and twitter, why does FB and twitter get passes from the press?

And have you noticed the sites you mentioned get blanked out? Valve is aware those sites are loaded with abuse, perhaps the name of one isn't blanked out due to the term being too generic, as surely they would blank that one out too?

valve engaging in political bias and politically motivated censorship doesn't prove or validate your bullcrap story, it only proves that valve is as susceptible to face news as you are as the same content by the same people was present on facebook, and as you can see facebook hasnt been censored for it.. this is called a double standard.. facebook gets a pass. twitter gets a pass, their competitors do not, I bet Reddit doesn't either and the shooters in question were MORE active on Reddit and Twitter, than anywhere else.

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BurntByHellfire původně napsal:

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And have you noticed the sites you mentioned get blanked out? Valve is aware those sites are loaded with abuse, perhaps the name of one isn't blanked out due to the term being too generic, as surely they would blank that one out too?

valve engaging in political bias and politically motivated censorship doesn't prove or validate your bullcrap story, it only proves that valve is as susceptible to face news as you are as the same content by the same people was present on facebook, and as you can see facebook hasnt been censored for it.. this is called a double standard.. facebook gets a pass. twitter gets a pass, their competitors do not, I bet Reddit doesn't either.

Doesn't matter what political group you claim to affiliate with, if you promote bigotry and mass murders you deserve to be punished accordingly. And at least one of those sites has been under investigation for child sexual abuse material.

[Ulfrinn]

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BurntByHellfire původně napsal:

valve engaging in political bias and politically motivated censorship doesn't prove or validate your bullcrap story, it only proves that valve is as susceptible to face news as you are as the same content by the same people was present on facebook, and as you can see facebook hasnt been censored for it.. this is called a double standard.. facebook gets a pass. twitter gets a pass, their competitors do not, I bet Reddit doesn't either.

Doesn't matter what political group you claim to affiliate with, if you promote bigotry and mass murders you deserve to be punished accordingly. And at least one of those sites has been under investigation for child sexual abuse material.

Do you not listen? Nothing on these sites promotes anything. Do you have anything from any of the sites you're talking about that shows a position by the owners or the staff that promotes ANY of what you said? You don't. The stories that these sites were promoting something by not engaging in political censorship was a hit job by their competitors Twitter, and Facebook who the people in question were even more active on. By your definition, Facebook and Twitter were also promoting it simply by these things existing on their platform.

Shall Facebook be punished for the murders and rapes that have been live streamed across their platform? By your logic, yes.

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You are asking me to look for and share content that violates the forum rules just to make a point that you would still twist?

[Ulfrinn]

Crashed původně napsal:

You are asking me to look for and share content that violates the forum rules just to make a point that you would still twist?

Nope, just asking you to have a valid point and not just the same old "if it doesn't censor speech then it must promote and endorse "hate speech" and "Nazis" rhetoric pushed by people in favor of censorship which is almost ENTIRELY done for political or personal reasons. Such as Twitters attempt to get Gab labeled a neo-nazi platform only after they lost about 50,000 users at once to them. And no, it wasn't 50,000 neo-nazis heading to gab so they can talk about neo-nazi crap. It was 50,000 normal people getting tired of big tech billionaires dictating what we are allowed to say and discuss.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Meanwhile I'm sitting here wondering if this is another case of someone claiming "censorship" and "political bias" when they some site just doesn't want to deal with either political flamewars or jerkwad behaviors and thus tells them to can it.

Seems to be particularly popular with people of certain ideological bents, lately. The irony is that they're often also complaining about other people bringing politics into their entertainment, sometimes as a justification for pushing their own political views.

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Quint the Alligator Snapper původně napsal:

Meanwhile I'm sitting here wondering if this is another case of someone claiming "censorship" and "political bias" when they some site just doesn't want to deal with either political flamewars or jerkwad behaviors and thus tells them to can it.

Seems to be particularly popular with people of certain ideological bents, lately. The irony is that they're often also complaining about other people bringing politics into their entertainment, sometimes as a justification for pushing their own political views.

And I was trying the hardest to be as nonpartisan as possible yet the user decides to go into bias.