Ending support for OSes

[Mr Evil Breakfast]

I realize posting here is the most worthless thing ever, but the outright removal of support for Vista and XP - XP specifially - is a serious problem.

I'm not saying "keep support going!", but can't we at least get a lighter, thinner Steam that basically just supports libraries and downloading of games? I don't take my 14 year old Dell Inspiron 9100 online, but I DO play older games on it because the hardware and XP are geared for it. It won't run Windows 10, and drivers don't exist for that system for it, so why punish users for having older hardware around THAT THEY USE?

Upgrading to Windows 10, or always running the latest, greatest, fire breathing hardware isn't the best thing for an awful lot of older games.

Thoughts?

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

I don't think anyone can confirm anything until it actually happens, as that the only way they know for sure if it works.

Anyways best I can suggest is sticking to DRM free services, like GOG, or etc, you could always dual boot.

[Blehh.....]

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

I don't think anyone can confirm anything until it actually happens, as that the only way they know for sure if it works.

well if u got a windows xp machine lying around perhaps you would like confirm some things for us users, hmmm?

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Anyways best I can suggest is sticking to DRM free services, like GOG, or etc, you could always dual boot.

...yes that much is more prevalent....however the main reason why i still use steam is because of exclusive games that i play that aren't on gog(or yet if there will be intentions of them in future), unfortunately.....

Yes dual boot will work, until you find a steam game that won't work on windows 7 or newer or with issues you don't remember it having....

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

I have a XP copy somewhere, but I don't think I be doing it.

As for games, as far as I know, no one found a game that wasn't possible to play, as so far I have seen, and heard they all play fine, on newer versions of Windows, some you may need a patch, which someone made guides how to get, and what you have to do, some you may just need to edit the notepads, some you just drag, and drop a file, and you're done.

There is compatibility mode in the later version of the OS, which can either help run, or fix an issue.

I have talk with several people across different XP ending discussion, and we all came up empty-handed finding games that won't work outside of XP, which we believe all the games on Steam works fine, but we're still out on the look for any game, as that may help us get a lead what to look for, and make a list of the games.

[Winged One]

people have tried to state games they didn't think would work on a Newer OS, but have always been disproven by providing evidence they do infact work.. nobody has yet been able to list a single game that won't, although if someone thinks they do know of one I do implore them to say what it is..

[Blehh.....]

Publicado originalmente por 7 7 7x:.:

Because old hardware is useless because newer stuff is cheap, and why support older OS's when it just gets in the way of supporting current ones.

If it's so cheap, why do you buy us all XP users a new computer then?

Publicado originalmente por 7 7 7x:.:

Also, for those "older games", chances are if it's a game people care about, it'll be on an emulator.

What if we're the sole people that care about and no one else?

Publicado originalmente por Chompman:

Publicado originalmente por koji_kamori:

Yeah I just saw this red bolden message on my steam client. Here is a happy solution, STOP UPDATING MY STEAM CLIENT!!!

Seriously, I have bought an additional steam version of Battlefield 2 for my brother and I happily own a physical CD of the game. It runs 100% on windows Vista. So why the hell would steam who places even the minimal requirements for many games as being XP or Vista then take away "suppot"? So what, you don't support an older operating system, so why then I can't play a game that I used to be able to play, bought and paid for anymore? For a game that I paid for, why do I have to go though steam just to run it?

So you bar me from "new features" because newer operating systems borrow the libraries, I don't even care, I paid for a game, I want to play the games I paid for otherwise this is pure theif.

Because the game devs wanted it this way.

Steam has a right to keep their client updated and secure and if that bothers you this much either update your os to something from the past decade or go yell at windows for ending their support and causing other places to do similar.

Don't we have a right to refuse an update?

Publicado originalmente por Chompman:

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

I own newer hardware to play newer games on newer OSes. That's not my point. If you actually read what I'm saying, I pair older hardware WITH older OSes, because they RUN older games better. Brute force doesn't win against elegant pairing. Also, those brand new laptops won't support things I need, like DVI ports and even eSATA.

I don't want hardware or software shoved down my throat. Stop it.

If you want to complain to someone talk to the game devs of these games to update it to run with newer os / hardware as that's their responsibility and not steams.

Steam should be partially responsible considering the fact they are forcing us to do this.....

Publicado originalmente por kamk /idle:

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

Also I'd like to mention, I specifically said they don't have to keep supporting Vista and XP hardcore all the way. If they offered a client that only supports libraries and downloading, and ommited the web browser, VR support, and everything else, what's the harm in that?

No harm, just a lot of work for no reason, besides trying to help those 5 people who run a really outdated operating system, which they shouldn't go online with in the first place.

Oh no it won't be for no reason, the reason would be a happier clientel base altogether..... I know I would be happy if any and all of my requests were met.

Besides what if those 5 people have reasons to to run a really outdate operating system, hm? Gonna change that for them somehow?

Publicado originalmente por Viper:

Problem is people misunderstand what they have purchased when they buy these games. They are under the impression they actually purchased and recieved ownership of a game when they buy a game. Sorry but No. They purchased a license to use that game. The license you purchased also says that support of that game and the ability to play that game may not work forever. That is how software works and has always worked. That game is just a rental.

How is this any different to going to a rental store and renting out a game or two from there instead? May as well just go do that now from now on.....instead of buying for games....

Publicado originalmente por Sapph:

Those few which don't, surely have easy fixes for it.

And what if they don't?

Publicado originalmente por Sapph:

And since they don't get any security updates, it's also dangerous on a service that is suppossed to be online.

What if you just want an offline compatible client?

Publicado originalmente por The Living Tribunal:

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

I own newer hardware to play newer games on newer OSes. That's not my point. If you actually read what I'm saying, I pair older hardware WITH older OSes, because they RUN older games better. Brute force doesn't win against elegant pairing. Also, those brand new laptops won't support things I need, like DVI ports and even eSATA.

I don't want hardware or software shoved down my throat. Stop it.

Then don't buy it?

What if you already got it?

Publicado originalmente por koji_kamori:

Windows 7 although very simuliar to Vista, cut so many features from the OS that it became quite difficult to use for me and I ended up going back to Vista.

What kind of features? I am curious to hear what a VISTA fanboi has to say about this......

Publicado originalmente por koji_kamori:

I digress however.

My biggest issue isn't with "Oh no they won't continue to develop new things for my OS anymore" I realized that back in 2017 when Microsoft stopped supporting SP2. What I have an major issue with is that my games which I bought and paid for which are 10 years old and minimal requirements were developed to work and opperate with my OS, Vista, won't work any more what so ever after 2019 because steam will block that functionality of it even being able to Run. That isn't right, not one bit. In fact, it is illegal. Apple was sued for the same exact thing by updating their software which limited the functionality of their phones. The people won.

I don't care if their client limites features due to new libraries on the new opperating systems that the old OS can't access. But to not be able to play the games that I already put money into? Yeah, I am begining to question why brick and mortar ever failed when my CD's can still run no matter how many decades go by. Shoot, I still have games on floppy disks that I play on my computer and it isn't like "support" for that ended and they stopped working alltogether.

This is why I find this situation very troubling.

Actually now that I think about it, this is a reasonable argument....

Publicado originalmente por dasnemesis:

Thanks guys. I guess at some point I'll have to install the games that I still want on XP and then disconnect that machine from the Internet forever.

Don't forget to NOT ever reinstall the operating system at all.....because once you do....

Publicado originalmente por kamk /idle:

Publicado originalmente por dasnemesis:

@kamk /idle You're right, of course, about going online with XP these days. I only use the Internet on that machine to allow Windows updates and to install games from Steam.

Well, XP support has ended years ago.
Try:
- http://gog.com/connect
- install Linux
- get a damn Win7, or newer, license. :P
Plenty of Steam games also don't use any DRM feature. So you could just copy & paste it to your old XP box. Or as mentioned above, maybe there's a DRM free version on GOG, or somewhere else.

koji_kamori has a good point here. Though one does buy the license to play a game on Steam, not the game itself - nevertheless online DRM does have exactly this downside.

What if the game doesn't exist on GoG? What if there is no linux port of it? What if the game doesn't work on win7 or newer? What if you can't upgrade for whatever reasons?

Publicado originalmente por SecretAgent632:

And let's not assume that the latest Steam update didn't include a "kill switch" meant for gamers who try to stay offline to avoid the update that ends XP/Vista support.

inb4 a killswitch is somehow included...

Publicado originalmente por |mρεηdίηg Rεηταζιε Tαρε:

Guys, the OP isn't responding to anything. This is a troll post.

He's responded to some....

Publicado originalmente por Rockon:

Publicado originalmente por PaladinHeart:

You know, we have a LOT of users who still use Windows XP and Vista.

A lot? nahh, not really. 0.22% is on XP and even less on Vista.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam?platform=pc

Time to update to a more recent OS.

what about those that are offlne or refuse the survey?

Publicado originalmente por Kᴀʏʜᴀɴ:

I hope XP and Vista won't get supported anymore. It's too outdated, Microsoft even doesn't update it anymore, why should Steam then? They are using Google for the Searchbar and Google won't support XP and Vista.

Google works......what r u on about?

Publicado originalmente por SecretAgent632:

Publicado originalmente por kamk /idle:

Well, also OS forum, so it's fine here.

Here's the same question from yesterday:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/1746720717333135539/

(TL;DR: if your machine stays offline, as it should, Steam will work. Otherwise you shouldn't go online with XP anyways anymore)

Even though my XP computer is offline, there's a notification in red letters telling me Steam won't work on Windows XP in the number of days left in the year. So chances are the latest Steam update included a kill switch specifically for the purpose of disabling Steam Client on offline Windows XP computers at the start of 2019.

...yeah, so you should have had a backup of an install prior to the June update or whenever this was included in....

Publicado originalmente por Monk:

There are few games that won't run on windows 10, if you really want to still play those few 15 year old games that won't, look to rebut them from gog etc, surely you've got your money's worth and it's worth an extra tenner.
Also, technically, you own very few games, what we tend to actually buy are licensed to access the software.

so what happens if they dont sell them?

Publicado originalmente por Chug Ma Nug:

What gets me even more about it is that the main reason for the phase out seems to be incompatibility with new features I could largely give a toss about. I have an old Vista laptop which I used to occasionally use Steam on (not that it runs much) but now... ooops, sorry mate! Can't play those games you bought anymore because we need new chat features on the client.

...which has nothing to do with the games you bought unless the game makes use of the new chat feature.....

Publicado originalmente por Trent:

You can run a lot of XP games in compatibilty mode on newer OS or use various fixes depending on the games.
But that is problamatic.

...yeah....

Publicado originalmente por Trent:

Most newer games will need a 64 bit operating system-usually Win 7 or higher.

What about 64-bit XP? Or 64-bit Vista?

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Steam drop Win 98/ME in 2007, and again with Win 2000 in 2010. People threw salt, made excuses, and some of them sprouting false claims. Give it a year time after it happen, and the topic will die out, and be forgotten like before, and not much can be done.

What were they like? I wasn't around then....

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Publicado originalmente por Monk:

There are few games that won't run on windows 10, if you really want to still play those few 15 year old games that won't, look to rebut them from gog etc, surely you've got your money's worth and it's worth an extra tenner.
Also, technically, you own very few games, what we tend to actually buy are licensed to access the software.

Which games? Been looking for ones that won't work no matter that doesn't have a patch guide for it, or anything, that's sitting to rot that doesn't work no matter out outside of XP, that's on Steam right now.

Sitting on 2k games, I got someone I can ask who sitting on 7k games, and few others that has 1k or more. We haven't found a game that isn't possible to play at all outside of XP that is on Steam. Not being rude, but I'm very interested knowing which exact games that doesn't work outside of XP that's on Steam.

Just so happens I know of one: https://store.steampowered.com/app/15700/ would completely lock up my windows 7 computer even using all of its compatibility modes....would need to hard restart....

Installed on my XP computer, no problems no lockups or needing a hard reset.....explain that? And if it works for you somehow, show me proof of it working.... I even tried re-installing windows to see if it was an issue with that, nope....

I guess system requirements were quite explicit on it:

Supported OS: A 100% Windows 2000/XP-compatible computer system (only)

they specified "only" as well...

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Publicado originalmente por Drab:

The publisher of the game is responsible for you being able to use the product you paid them for.

Ask them to make their games playable without using Steam.

^This, if they went out of their way to apply DRM, they can easily remove it. Some of the games on Steam are DRM free, which doesn't need Steam to run the game. Can try running the game .exe to see if it launches Steam when it's closed.

Thing with that is that some drm-free games require steam services to work correctly......for example if you were to start Killing Floor from the exe file, you won't get any of your perks working meaning you will be playing at rank zero for everything....and that you can't connect the multiplayer servers either as the game won't let you......so that means the only way to play is solo.....

[Blehh.....]

And because I broke the 18k character limit:

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Offline installs also allow the user to pick from a select number of patches as well, meaning you are able on many games to run an older version of the game if you wish, without being forced to download/install an updated patch version like Steam does on most games.

Not entirely true, yes they do keep patches ready for IF you had an older installer of the game files, but otherwise they will only (or mostly) host the already updated game files read to download. After a while, they remove these patches rendering old installers unable to update unless you downloaded these patches prior to removal.

Publicado originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

And regardless of newest OS, you still need to download and install the following:
> DirectX Redist June 2010; This covers all DX files the OS wont have by default.

...which would do nothing unless they install the game's specific helper libraries....[blogs.msdn.microsoft.com]

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:

This thread is almost an extract copycat of the one we had on SPUF when Steam dropped support for W2000 years ago.

And we'll probably have another one the day Steam stops supporting W7, W8 and so on.

Yup, you're right about that, people get mad, make excuses, act like it's end of the world, realize it's not, and only few of them will talk nonsense by making claims that are not true.

Just like when Steam drop support for Windows 98/ME in 2007, and again in 2010 for Win 2000. Which some people that are complaining didn't even knew that Steam used to support Win 98/ME, and some didn't knew for Win 2000 as well, thinking it's the 1st time.

Well it is for me, I wasn't even around when steam used to support win 98/me or win 2000....

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Publicado originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

If I recall correctly, they didn't just stop Steam working on Windows 98, they just stopped supporting it. Steam still worked, but if an update broke the client (or a part of it) they just didn't try to fix it.

This seems to be the case with XP as well. Most XP users will have noticed certain functionality and issues. My most recent issue was with connecting to content servcers, but little things like the loss of the right-click context menu in most of the client, login difficulties, etc. All of this based around the simple fact that the back end the clients connect to are being adjusted to use certificates and protocols that are just not in XP.

A person can try to find work arounds like I have but they're the ones that'll have to doi the legwork

But according to their helpdesk page, they're actually supposed to be oblidged to help you get all this working till the end of 2018.

For the remainder of 2018 Steam will continue to run and to launch games on Windows XP and Windows Vista...

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Publicado originalmente por Calculated Luck:

I love the idea of a stripped down version of steam. I would probably end up using it on modern HW simply because it seems better suited for my needs. If they split the chat from the function as in game lobby they could even make it work with multiplayer games.

You need to read the posts that came ahead. Long story short, the client isn't the issue it's the protocols on the back-end that are the issue. the back end is moving towards updated certificates and transmission and communications protocols. which are in themselves NOT SUPPORTED by XP. It'll become not unlike trying to play a VHS tape in a DVD player.

...is that so? A technical issue? Well how come I wasn't made aware of this when I contacted steam support? They just told me "Oh you need to manually update your roots trusted certificates, but I we won't give you the instructions nor help you do it as we would require physical access to your computer to do so, so you will need to look all this up yourself" and then proceeded to close the ticket rendering no more further replies to and from support....

Even gave them this message here:

For the remainder of 2018 Steam will continue to run and to launch games on Windows XP and Windows Vista...

before they closed the ticket.....no response....

So according to steam support, there is still a way and that is to update the certificates.....I tried that but didn't work, even when to create a thread here on the forums but the responses were basicaly go look it up yourself or upgrade even though I didn't want to.... No responses to the confirmation of my method whether that be correct or not...maybe I have been the first one that has actually attempted it and no one else has?

Publicado originalmente por Zetikla:

Bottomline is: if you really cannot game any of the old titles working, sometimes you may just not be looking hard enough to find a solution. Even Call Of Cthulhu, which is notorius for having some ridiculous gamebreaking bugs in the pc version, can be easily fixed by replacing the steam exe with the gog ones.

...wouldn't that require owning the game on both GoG and Steam....? And if you own it on GoG and that version works, naturally you would play with that over the steam version.....

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

and name one game that won't work on Windows 10, just one is all we ask.. because people have tried believe me, but then shown they do work.. you just need to do a bit extra setup and configuring to get some of the older ones to work, but thats sort of the nature of software.. its no different from when I had to put a little extra elbow grease to get some of my W95 software to work on my XP PC back in the day

I was reading this a few months ago: https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-will-drop-windows-xp-and-vista-support-at-the-end-of-the-year/#comment-3947387590 have you tried that, someone said still doesn't work even with the fixes....

[zZzooey.exe]

Wow talk about salty..dude stop spamming.

[Blehh.....]

Publicado originalmente por ん:

Wow talk about salty..dude stop spamming. :tessu:

Hey someone suggested I read this entire thread, so I took the time to go through all 460 posts, which took over four hrs to read and comment if I had any, on it.....

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Chompman:

Because the game devs wanted it this way.

Steam has a right to keep their client updated and secure and if that bothers you this much either update your os to something from the past decade or go yell at windows for ending their support and causing other places to do similar.

Don't we have a right to refuse an update?

Unless you agree to the terms, which you did when you made your account, Steam has the right to push an update to you. You can choose to delay that update, but that where you have to make the effort yourself.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Chompman:

If you want to complain to someone talk to the game devs of these games to update it to run with newer os / hardware as that's their responsibility and not steams.

Steam should be partially responsible considering the fact they are forcing us to do this.....

They gave the means to run the games on Linux, the new features is called "Steam Play" there's a community that making full use of it, and it has greatly expanded the games list on Linux. You have to make effort into reading the guide, and that's about it to get the old game running on Linux, I heard lots of positive good results.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Viper:

Problem is people misunderstand what they have purchased when they buy these games. They are under the impression they actually purchased and recieved ownership of a game when they buy a game. Sorry but No. They purchased a license to use that game. The license you purchased also says that support of that game and the ability to play that game may not work forever. That is how software works and has always worked. That game is just a rental.

How is this any different to going to a rental store and renting out a game or two from there instead? May as well just go do that now from now on.....instead of buying for games....

The difference is you're not paying for time to hold the license to having to return it by any deadline, the deadline would most likely be when the service is going bankrupted, and shutting down, or caught doing something to abuse their service with certain game's as they be revoked, such as doing a chargeback. Also this isn't new, Steam has been doing this since 2003, and Microsoft has been doing this as well with the first Xbox for digital content, same with Sony, as well Nintendo, even GOG, and other services.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Sapph:

Those few which don't, surely have easy fixes for it.

And what if they don't?

Publicado originalmente por Sapph:

And since they don't get any security updates, it's also dangerous on a service that is suppossed to be online.

What if you just want an offline compatible client?

It's up to Steam, not us, they made it clear by their statement, as they be ending support, as well making it possible to run older games in Linux.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por koji_kamori:

I digress however.

My biggest issue isn't with "Oh no they won't continue to develop new things for my OS anymore" I realized that back in 2017 when Microsoft stopped supporting SP2. What I have an major issue with is that my games which I bought and paid for which are 10 years old and minimal requirements were developed to work and opperate with my OS, Vista, won't work any more what so ever after 2019 because steam will block that functionality of it even being able to Run. That isn't right, not one bit. In fact, it is illegal. Apple was sued for the same exact thing by updating their software which limited the functionality of their phones. The people won.

I don't care if their client limites features due to new libraries on the new opperating systems that the old OS can't access. But to not be able to play the games that I already put money into? Yeah, I am begining to question why brick and mortar ever failed when my CD's can still run no matter how many decades go by. Shoot, I still have games on floppy disks that I play on my computer and it isn't like "support" for that ended and they stopped working alltogether.

This is why I find this situation very troubling.

Actually now that I think about it, this is a reasonable argument....

Probably should read, before signing up, they haven't changed that policy as that was to be expected, that a service may end, that including support ending as well. Also apple wasn't sued for the same thing, they were actually sued for causing problems for the actual physical products, which the people didn't agree to them causing those problems to their physical products. Since 2007 Windows 98/ME was ended, and again in 2010 for Windows 2000, now nine years later, it's happing to XP, and Vista, you can already tell why the latest Steam client won't function on the Windows 98/ME, if you figure it out, then you realize what they're doing is making changes to the client, that's only possible to run on newer version of OS's, that's able to support whatever needed.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por kamk /idle:

Well, XP support has ended years ago.
Try:
- http://gog.com/connect
- install Linux
- get a damn Win7, or newer, license. :P
Plenty of Steam games also don't use any DRM feature. So you could just copy & paste it to your old XP box. Or as mentioned above, maybe there's a DRM free version on GOG, or somewhere else.

koji_kamori has a good point here. Though one does buy the license to play a game on Steam, not the game itself - nevertheless online DRM does have exactly this downside.

What if the game doesn't exist on GoG? What if there is no linux port of it? What if the game doesn't work on win7 or newer? What if you can't upgrade for whatever reasons?

Steam made it possible for Linux users to get old games to work on Linux, and so far practically all games from Steam works on newer versions of Windows as well, that include 7, and up.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por SecretAgent632:

And let's not assume that the latest Steam update didn't include a "kill switch" meant for gamers who try to stay offline to avoid the update that ends XP/Vista support.

inb4 a killswitch is somehow included...

Proof of this?

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Rockon:

A lot? nahh, not really. 0.22% is on XP and even less on Vista.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam?platform=pc

Time to update to a more recent OS.

what about those that are offlne or refuse the survey?

Not a lot as you may think. The number fell already since then as well.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por SecretAgent632:

Even though my XP computer is offline, there's a notification in red letters telling me Steam won't work on Windows XP in the number of days left in the year. So chances are the latest Steam update included a kill switch specifically for the purpose of disabling Steam Client on offline Windows XP computers at the start of 2019.

...yeah, so you should have had a backup of an install prior to the June update or whenever this was included in....

It's a notification, not a kill switch, they did this before with Windows 2000.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Trent:

You can run a lot of XP games in compatibilty mode on newer OS or use various fixes depending on the games.
But that is problamatic.

...yeah....

If you don't want to make the effort, oh well.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Trent:

Most newer games will need a 64 bit operating system-usually Win 7 or higher.

What about 64-bit XP? Or 64-bit Vista?

Most people didn't bother getting 64bit for XP far as I remember, and most Vista users are gone, so hard to tell how many left as their numbers flop as soon Windows 7 came out, and for Steam survey Vista fell pretty hard a few years ago, they're listed as other since their number was less than 1/10 of 1%, so we don't even know how many actually left that still use Vista.

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Steam drop Win 98/ME in 2007, and again with Win 2000 in 2010. People threw salt, made excuses, and some of them sprouting false claims. Give it a year time after it happen, and the topic will die out, and be forgotten like before, and not much can be done.

What were they like? I wasn't around then....[/quote]
A lot of salt was threw around, people claiming you couldn't play Fallout, CS 1.6, half life on XP, or later, which clearly was proven wrong.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Which games? Been looking for ones that won't work no matter that doesn't have a patch guide for it, or anything, that's sitting to rot that doesn't work no matter out outside of XP, that's on Steam right now.

Sitting on 2k games, I got someone I can ask who sitting on 7k games, and few others that has 1k or more. We haven't found a game that isn't possible to play at all outside of XP that is on Steam. Not being rude, but I'm very interested knowing which exact games that doesn't work outside of XP that's on Steam.

Just so happens I know of one: https://store.steampowered.com/app/15700/ would completely lock up my windows 7 computer even using all of its compatibility modes....would need to hard restart....

Installed on my XP computer, no problems no lockups or needing a hard reset.....explain that? And if it works for you somehow, show me proof of it working.... I even tried re-installing windows to see if it was an issue with that, nope....

I guess system requirements were quite explicit on it:

Supported OS: A 100% Windows 2000/XP-compatible computer system (only)

they specified "only" as well...

I got it playing with no problem, would you like me to make a video about it? If you read in the guide, or ask in the forum, someone will help you out.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

^This, if they went out of their way to apply DRM, they can easily remove it. Some of the games on Steam are DRM free, which doesn't need Steam to run the game. Can try running the game .exe to see if it launches Steam when it's closed.

Thing with that is that some drm-free games require steam services to work correctly......for example if you were to start Killing Floor from the exe file, you won't get any of your perks working meaning you will be playing at rank zero for everything....and that you can't connect the multiplayer servers either as the game won't let you......so that means the only way to play is solo.....

Far as I know that game doesn't have issues on other OS's, and the fact that if you can play it then you can play it, not much can be done for the multiplayer, as you made that choice not wanting to use a supported platform.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Yup, you're right about that, people get mad, make excuses, act like it's end of the world, realize it's not, and only few of them will talk nonsense by making claims that are not true.

Just like when Steam drop support for Windows 98/ME in 2007, and again in 2010 for Win 2000. Which some people that are complaining didn't even knew that Steam used to support Win 98/ME, and some didn't knew for Win 2000 as well, thinking it's the 1st time.

Well it is for me, I wasn't even around when steam used to support win 98/me or win 2000....

It's better to be informed, instead of being mislead, so far haven't seen a games that wasn't playable under any circumstances, either they needed a notepad edit, or drag, and drop a file, where game installed.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

This seems to be the case with XP as well. Most XP users will have noticed certain functionality and issues. My most recent issue was with connecting to content servcers, but little things like the loss of the right-click context menu in most of the client, login difficulties, etc. All of this based around the simple fact that the back end the clients connect to are being adjusted to use certificates and protocols that are just not in XP.

A person can try to find work arounds like I have but they're the ones that'll have to doi the legwork

But according to their helpdesk page, they're actually supposed to be oblidged to help you get all this working till the end of 2018.

For the remainder of 2018 Steam will continue to run and to launch games on Windows XP and Windows Vista...

They can try and help you, doesn't mean they will get it to work.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

You need to read the posts that came ahead. Long story short, the client isn't the issue it's the protocols on the back-end that are the issue. the back end is moving towards updated certificates and transmission and communications protocols. which are in themselves NOT SUPPORTED by XP. It'll become not unlike trying to play a VHS tape in a DVD player.

...is that so? A technical issue? Well how come I wasn't made aware of this when I contacted steam support? They just told me "Oh you need to manually update your roots trusted certificates, but I we won't give you the instructions nor help you do it as we would require physical access to your computer to do so, so you will need to look all this up yourself" and then proceeded to close the ticket rendering no more further replies to and from support....

Even gave them this message here:

For the remainder of 2018 Steam will continue to run and to launch games on Windows XP and Windows Vista...

before they closed the ticket.....no response....

So according to steam support, there is still a way and that is to update the certificates.....I tried that but didn't work, even when to create a thread here on the forums but the responses were basicaly go look it up yourself or upgrade even though I didn't want to.... No responses to the confirmation of my method whether that be correct or not...maybe I have been the first one that has actually attempted it and no one else has?

If you're able to get it to work, great, if not.

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

and name one game that won't work on Windows 10, just one is all we ask.. because people have tried believe me, but then shown they do work.. you just need to do a bit extra setup and configuring to get some of the older ones to work, but thats sort of the nature of software.. its no different from when I had to put a little extra elbow grease to get some of my W95 software to work on my XP PC back in the day

I was reading this a few months ago: https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-will-drop-windows-xp-and-vista-support-at-the-end-of-the-year/#comment-3947387590 have you tried that, someone said still doesn't work even with the fixes....

Which game?

[Winged One]

Publicado originalmente por Boltte:

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

and name one game that won't work on Windows 10, just one is all we ask.. because people have tried believe me, but then shown they do work.. you just need to do a bit extra setup and configuring to get some of the older ones to work, but thats sort of the nature of software.. its no different from when I had to put a little extra elbow grease to get some of my W95 software to work on my XP PC back in the day

I was reading this a few months ago: https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-will-drop-windows-xp-and-vista-support-at-the-end-of-the-year/#comment-3947387590 have you tried that, someone said still doesn't work even with the fixes....

but that article doesn't list a single game that won't work on a modern OS, just says the client won't run on XP anymore

If you are referring to something someone may have commented on the article, just say the game rather than link to an external comment.. depending on the platform or browser a person is reading a thread in, it may not redirect them to the articles comment section

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por IAL:

Ending my use of Steam with the enforcement of Win7 post license agreement (making spying legal post fact) and Google (read; NSA) persecution of democratic individuals.

Hello,
A few years back i stopped using steam as they updated their user agreement. Now they would temporarily own the games that you linked to steam, so i removed every game (bought as hardware).

You do know that once you've activated a game's cd key on steam you can never get it back right?

I later decided to play CSGO and started using steam again - after an update Steam itself readded all the games (afaik all games) that previously had been uninstalled/removed from it.
Do these now count as being purchased from steam and will their product codes be made invalid once steam illegally shuts me out from other products bought by through steam?

Steam is not shutting you out. Use of steam was always predicated on the fact that you have a system capable of running the client. Steam is updating the security and operations of their back end for greater security, and effeciency; these upgrades sadly make them incoompatible with OSes that do not support modern security protocols for communication. Translation, Steam cannot be expected to knowingly risk their own security and the securityn of their client base because some small percentage doesn't want to upgrade their machines.

[Rant'ish]
I'm also really surprised no talks about class action lawsuits has been seen in the media about this, shouldnt steam be forced to put out a legacy version without new "updates". People have spent alot of money and even if there is less than 10% still using steam on those operating systems that should be more than a few for there to be someone contacting a lawyer atleast to check the lay of the land.

Because you do not understand how class action lawsuits work, nor how software works. A legacy client would be meaningless since it would not be able to communicate to the steam servers properly.

Sadly I'll be one of those who when the time comes to update my system will jump on the windows/google and now steam exodus. It's allmost as if they dont understand that the expensive computers that used to pay for the R&D and that entangles horrendous amounts of intellectual capital into those creating OS's, browsers and gamingsolutions also means that people want their gear to last and be useable longer than the latest smartphone that you buy for a 5th or less of the cost.

Anad again you're being rather nonsensical. The irony is, migratring away from windows/google/ steam would actually cost you more than just upgrading your OS. Just about any system that you'd be running XP on still can run WIndows 7. More over the cost of acquire windows 7 (PRo) ranges from $40.

[READ THIS BEFORE U POST]
If you got nothing better to do than up your postnumber, get paid as an astroturfer or ad anything interesting linked to this please don't post.
If you want the world to be like Reddit, IMDb or YT boards to mention a few good examples post when you dont have anything to ad.

Newsflahs . That's not going to protect you from people pointing pointing out the obvious gaps in your knowledge and thought process. You want to rant , do it on your blog.

[Blehh.....]

Publicado originalmente por ReBoot:

Why not playing on Windows 10? Its amazingly good at running old games and theres workarounds for the few games that dont work.

Because some people just wanna play on XP machines for the nastalgia and euphoria?

Publicado originalmente por Toast:

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Ok i'll be honest. Im a guy who cant let go of old stuff. and i get it i need to move on. Yes i have bad arguments...

My last question is: Can i still boot up the games ive installed already before 1jan 2019? i never play these games online anyways.

You *might* still be able to keep launching steam in offline mode indefinitely. I think...

...unless steam included a killswitch which will instantly break upon 1st of Jan 2019.....

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

what is the point, I can buy a new pc if I wanted to, I can build a pc (It was my job years ago), that's not the problem. I have working pc's, I don't want to throw them. I have a huge backlog of games on steam. I just want to play with the computer I bought the games for. As I said before, it won't be a great problem to made a piece of software that can handle xp.
Someone said that xp is only 0.22% of the players, valve made $4.3 billons last year (that's $9 millions for xp), Valve can hire a xp specialist for a part of this money.

+1

It shouldnt be to hard for them to create a legacy app that only "runs" games. I dont need no chat or store because i play/buy new games on my main pc. I just want to keep playing my classics on my classic pc.

*sigh* Now know what it feels like when DRM hits you in your face.....

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

So the idea is : A dual boot pc: 7 and xp, download the game with 7, rebooting the pc with xp, launch a steam client without connexion and play the game on xp .

it won't work, as I stated in the above part of this post.. before a game will run in offline mode, you have to have launched it once with a valid network connection to check the servers

...unfortunately, this is true, I've already tried......

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

https://downloads.diodematrix.com/u/seppdroid/pictures/Image.jpeg

No problems at all i dont know why your vm is whining.


next to that legacy firefox supports TLS v1.2 and G chrome doesnt. So can run new protocols but for some reason valve still uses old ssl over the client in xp

https://downloads.diodematrix.com/u/seppdroid/pictures/Image(1).jpeg

I have pointed this out, if you can get Steam to work on XP by adding the needed protocols, and such on XP, great, but if it doesn't work you're SOL.

When Windows 2000 support ended for Steam, someone got Steam working on Windows 2000, because Windows 2000, isn't much off from XP for protocols, and such, but it was for 98/ME, so everyone was SOL for 98/ME, so again if you can get it to work, you have nothing to fear, unless they update, which may, or may not break the client on you.

...so is anyone going to do the same for XP users...?

Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Publicado originalmente por Jose Farfan:

Nice papulinio ricolono

?

??

I am also curious as to what this means, when I googled it, it came back with only this search result.... which looks to be just your post history and doesn't define what that statement is or means....

[Blehh.....]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

so is there any problem of asking for something that is working today to work the same in a few months?

Yes, when you've been told numerous times, by numerous people that "keeping it working" is NOT finacially viable.....and you keep going. Yes, that is a problem.

Do you work for Valve?

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

What does that have to do with anything? These are user forums. No one from Valve posts here.

Sometimes Valve employees do post. Valve has already stated it is due to reliance on a recent version of Chromium Embedded Framework, which is currently mandated for the chat but will expand to more critical parts of the UI next year.

Source?

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

So how are you able to say it is not finacially viable for steam? Even if numerous people have the same point of view as yours. None have the figures to confirm it. It's technically possible. Valve said it won't maintain xp support but could change his mind.

When a company says "We will end support for ____ on ____" you can pretty much bank on it.

Everything has an ending, Microsoft ended support for it as far as home users...and they created the damn thing. Yet, you live in a fantasy world where you think Valve is obligated to fix what MS won't...and hasn't ...for years.

I think that's what he wanted to know, the *why* it will end support; but if you're not an official valve employee......

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

:facepalm:

My God.

You keep asking why why why...and have been answered...numerous times...and you refuse to accept it.


NOT FINACIALLY VIABLE.

I capslocked it so hopefully you get it this time.

It's the same behaviour that kids have when it's almost bedtime.

If he doesn't want to understand, he won't get it. But when the day comes that Valve changes their backend, he'll know and understand.

I think we need jobs to understand this.....

Publicado originalmente por DanteYoda:

Publicado originalmente por Snapjak:

Over 100,000,000 accounts and it's randomly chosen. Your chances are slim to actually get it any given month.

Well thats not bias at all is it.. what a pointless survey if it doesn't do the whole customer base its not going to give accurate readings.. So who is stopping steam from giving the surveys to more and more win 10 customers to make it look like less are using the other OS's..

Actually I agree with this, didn't know it was limited to 100 million accounts though and I also thought it was given to ALL accounts.......hmmm... 🤔

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Im talking about CEF here, is my english so unclear?

CEF is a product provided by Google, and they ended support for Windows XP years ago alongside the Chrome browser.
If you wanted it to support XP, you would have to fork the source code, hack it (replace or emulate missing APIs, etc.) to run on XP, and then convince Valve to use the fork instead of the mainline version.

Oh is the fix as easy this? Cool who wants to volunteer? I would myself of course but I don't know how to hack....

Publicado originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

Publicado originalmente por humbund23:

Good, we're back to my previous point: Steam is concerned about security, but Paypal, Ebay, Google, and the USPS are not.

I would not be surprised if you had a bridge you want to sell me.

They are also required to change to the new standard.

https://blog.pcisecuritystandards.org/are-you-ready-for-30-june-2018-sayin-goodbye-to-ssl-early-tls

When TLS 1.3 is required, they will no longer work on browser that don't support TLS 1.3 and that means no browser for XP, so the services will not be available. Given the vulnerabilities in TLS 1.2, TLS 1.3 will likely happen quickly.

What TLS level does XP support, both 32-bit and 64-bit if they are different?

Publicado originalmente por Toast:

Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

can I make donation to a friend or a child?

Accounts and the licenses on them are non-transferable. That means you can't give or sell/trade your steam account or any of the games which have been activated on it, nor can you share the your login details with other people.

You may use steam family sharing to grant access to your game library to another account, but...

1. A library may only be accessed by one account at a time.

2. Not all games are elligible for family sharing.

3. The licenses on the account are still yours, and you bear the sole responsibility for their use or abuse.

I'm pretty sure if he's selling he's account, he won't be using it at all after that.....It's now out of he's since he won't care anymore. Probably is breaking some rules but as long as Valve doesn't find out he should be good.......or and the guy who got his account from....

But at least he's giving away he's account rather than destroying it - give it to someone who will use it...actually now that I read the rules a bit, if he's just giving it away he's not exactly *breaking* the rules since he's not selling as he gets nothing from it.....nor sharing as he won't be using it anymore.....

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

User claims their system cannot run Windows 7 well, so they would need new hardware. Something that runs circles around what is apparently a crusty old PC can be had for quite cheap these days, and it is pre-loaded with Windows 10, an operating system that keeps itself upgraded regularly.

That's not a valid excuse either because, he (probably) spent thousands on his library, but won't pop for a new PC to play them...no, he expects Valve to play ball, because he refuses to let go of XP?

Well yeah I would understand if he has no money left for it after spending that much in games over a perod of 7 years....or he coul just be stubborn or both....

Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

Publicado originalmente por Turbo Nozomix:

That wouldn't be worth it, IMO:

A good new PC will cost $1,500+

Putting aside $10 a week will take 150 weeks, or around 3 years to be ready to buy a new $1,500 PC.

so an extended support for xp for 3 more years would be welcome.

And he comes back with a sarcastice remark!

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

you can't disagree that if I install a game on xp today and then play offline , I'll be able to play it forever?
I just don't like to throw away things that are working,it's a terrible waste.
Upgrading is not a part of my way of gaming.
and who are to judge the way I've done my library?
I never said that all the games are xp compatible, I said since linux client had been released, I only buy linux compatible games and before I bought games compatibles with xp. So a part of my library will be unusable and it's a shame, ALWAYS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW!

If upgrading isn't your way of gaming, I can't fathom why you chose the PC platform. Not very smart...and that's putting it kindly.


XBOX, PS5, and Switch are calling. Better answer..

I think he chose PC platform because of exclusive games you could play that aren't available on consoles......

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

for example: ikaruga, I'm trying to find a way to make it run at full speed on 7. It starts at 60 fps then drop down now to 35 -38 fps (a little better than last week but I'm tweaking the parameters to find where is the problem)

Hmmm.. My mind tells me it may be the renbderring used. XP only went as high as Dx9c, 7 has DX11. Is there some way to manually force the game to run in dx9 mode, or Open GL. Failing that.. did you try XP Mode?

Apparently there was a hack to get DX10 or even 11 working somehow on XP.....

XP mode in 7 doesn't support Direct3D calls or any 3D rendering making any games that render 3D not launcherable....but 2D games can be launched and played though......so if this is a 2D game, it may work....

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Pfft...I know, right? Just because the company that made the damn software ended support years ago, doesn't mean Valve should end supprt.



As I said before, you and kilamlapo have blinders on. You two are in for a rude awakening if you don't start coming grips that this is going to happen.

Wow, You think i depend on windows xp?
I have multiple pcs and i want to keep playing my old games on my retro setup. Im a guy who doesnt emulate games i play them on the original systems. My original question is if im still able to launch the game.
Only time will tell.
I dont give a living ♥♥♥♥ about support

Hold up, I think you all got this guy's intention wrong; he simple wants to play games as they were meant to be on their original operating systems, whether for nostalgia or compatibility or both even.

He has stated he already has a windows 10 computer ready to play these games but refuses to install them under that because he wants to play them on machines the games were designed for or at least the machine era they were designed for.

He doesn't want emulation or virtualization, he believes this is false sense even if they work and prefer to have them played truly on physical hardware natively....

I get where this guy is coming from.

[Blehh.....]

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:

Allowing your outdated client vto interface with their modern systems is support. Your inability to understand what is said does not make what is said useless.

Good grief i swear you two are giving the rest of us XP hold outs a bad name.

Listen, CEF is the problem here. I bet you i can fork it and patch it to make it work on xp. But valve wouldn't bother using it.

Try it and see what the outcome is.....

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

pretty much, and everytime it is brought up they ignore that point entirely.. for a "legacy client" to be able to interface with the servers, doing so requires support.. therefore you can't make an "unsupported legacy client"

As far as valve giving us information is that CEF is the problem here, So by patching this up it should work. Correct? probably not.

If valve told us what they need to get working then i would invest time into a solution. For some reason valve is using an older TLS protocol in the xp steam version as i shown earlier. I've made TLS1.2 work on xp so it is possable.

Steam is just like discord a web programme which exludes the library. That's probably where the most problems are.

I am to presume by that comment that XP doesn't officially support TLS 1.2?

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

I do think so, even when Steam was released there where people were using a cracked verssion CS 1.6 because they didn't want to use Steam.


If it can be exploited, it. will.

By far for the past decade, a whole bunch of people literally went out of their way to prove to Steam/Valve they can not be trusted without ruining it for everyone for so many things, which is why the trading system is the way it is right now, how ban appeal will never come back ever again, and etc... And basically DRM is the whole point to the Steam platform, Devs/Pubs can choose to get some kind of DRM apply to their games, and wouldn't have to worry about people trying to straight up hand it out to everyone, just like what happen to Witcher 3 for GoG, but that's a whole another story, and debate.

Huh what happened to the Witcher 3 for GOG?

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

OP, you really aren't helping your credibility by posting your community warnings

Well at least he's being trasnparent..... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

pretty much, and everytime it is brought up they ignore that point entirely.. for a "legacy client" to be able to interface with the servers, doing so requires support.. therefore you can't make an "unsupported legacy client"

You didn't know that piracy gets an account suspended.
Kil didn't know selling accounts warrants the same thing.

Yet, both of you think it would be so easy to make an XP capatiable Steam client.


From here, it looks like niether of you know jack or his brother, squat.

Lets give them the chance to create a working client and send them to Valve for consideration...

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Im posting my warnings because i dont want my deleted posts to go unseen

Oh ok fair enough but what if those warnings your posted itself gets deleted?

Publicado originalmente por JimDeadlock:

These days you don't need a product key for Win10 at all, you can download/install the ISO for free and choose not to activate it. You can't customise the theme and insignificant stuff like that, but it's a fully working OS, with updates and everything.

Don't they add spyware to make up for your free use of windows 10? I actually had someone who suggested upgrading to windows 10 siting various prices but warned me to not get the free version because it contains spyware.....

Publicado originalmente por internaut:

If Steam were a gasoline company, and told you to buy a new car in order to use their gas - would you?

Wel unless the gas is incompatible.....

Publicado originalmente por internaut:

BTW - I own a 1965 Ford Mustang rag-top - all original. It runs on today's gas and I never have to upgrade it... and everyone I meet wants one too.

Got any pics?

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

give me 5 minutes with Kali Linux on a laptop and I can compromise every XP machine on a given network (unless that network may be running a firebox), none of those back doors I would use to do such still exist on 7+ due to them still getting security updates..

What's a firebox? A box on fire?! hahahahahaha

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

Publicado originalmente por internaut:

PROBLEM: IMHO, Steam will abandon 7, then 8, then 9 - er, I mean 10, then... and so on. 10 is a Super-stalker - nothing more than new icons and a monitor-and-control built in.

Being realistic, an XP upgrade to 7 needs a new box, new MoBo CPU, and GPU, and a horde of anti-stalkers added in. ALL upgrades always require patches, fixes for the patches and patches for the fixes, then add-ons to make XP games run - sort of, on the new system.

I am very disappointed that Steam abandons those that raised them up to where they are. But I'm not surprised because every major company on the 'net wants to conbtrol everyone, by one means or another. How else will they keep making money! Big profits via the Internet doesn't come by being ethical, honest or forthright.

seriously man, open up an entry level Computer Science textbook, not repeat what you are reading on clickbait articles..

Oh so all those telemetry (and or others) updates are incorrectly tagged as spyware then?

Publicado originalmente por Zetikla:

Publicado originalmente por theseraph1:

seriously man, open up an entry level Computer Science textbook, not repeat what you are reading on clickbait articles..

i still find it humurous how ppl freak out over MS yet willingly forget how the US government/ Google are probably the biggest dataminers ever

No they're not dot dot dot ...

Publicado originalmente por internaut:

I may be older than some here, but it doesn't mean older people don't know anything about computers. Older means we have more history, knowledge, experience, and know-how with the computers.

I predict your age to be around 80 something..... Was I right? Close or ....too far?

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

I just wanted to state something funny:

Dear players,

Welcome to the new official patch notes for Ring of Elysium’s Early Access phase. Here’s the full details:


Bug Fixes
● Fixed a game crash when switching to Fullscreen mode in Windows XP
● Fixed the compatibility issues between car sounds and certain RME sound cards, reducing sound glitches
● Fixed the issue of incorrect animation play after reconnecting to a game
● Fixed several bugs that obstructed character movement by objects


Thanks for playing,
-ROE DEV Team

Can you see it :p?

Bug Fixes
● Fixed a game crash when switching to Fullscreen mode in Windows XP

Some new fresh games still support XP. But i must say they still use DX9,10.1
no 11 en 12

OG post Here

That was either a joke post or they forgot to add windows XP in the system requirements on store page:

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS
MINIMUM:
OS: Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows 10
Processor: Intel i3 8130U(2Cores, 2.3GHz) or equivalent
Memory: 4 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GT 730 or equivalent
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Storage: 10 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectX-compatible using the latest drivers

RECOMMENDED:
OS: Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (64-bit version)
Processor: Intel i5 2500(4 Core, 3.3HGz) or equivalent
Memory: 6 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 or equivalent
Network: Broadband Internet connection
Storage: 10 GB available space
Sound Card: DirectX-compatible using the latest drivers

Publicado originalmente por Spawn of Totoro:

The lack of security/patches for XP has caused issues there as well, such as with the WannaCry ransomware.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3196990/windows-pcs/china-pays-for-windows-xp-addiction-as-wannacry-hits.html

It actualy highlights the security issue with the OS.

CryptoPrevent should make short work of that...

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

People do make assumptions as to why Steam is blocking XP/Vista support at the end of the year, and some have mentioned the TLS protocol, which as I have pointed out can be implemented application-side, using libraries like NSS to support it.

Valve has already proven the reason they are dropping/blocking support is that they are working on a new UI that is based on the Chromium rendering engine, which depends on all sorts of features only available in later versions of Windows unlike the classic GDI-based UI stack that runs just fine on older versions.

Huh what so it's not a technical barrier?!

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

I mean discord,skype and TS exist, i only use steam to play my games (online) have a quick text chat with my friends if they would like to join the discord chat and thats it.

before discord we would use skype TS or even keep our xboxes running with party chat.

Discord app doesn't work on XP.....unless you meant using its browser's equivalent? Which also somewhat is broken......because I can't voice chat back, can only listen......

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

Publicado originalmente por tjwags:

I am glad I didn't spend a lot of money on Steam games. I still have CD based games that I can control and start, update or not update. No need for another third party company like Steam to tell me to update my windows system and have to use Google Chrome extensions.

Steam isn't the only one dropping support, as explain many companines drop XP back in 2014 as soon it ended, Steam took the longest time to drop the support. Since you been around for 12 years, then you should've been aware of Steam dropping support back in 2007, and 2010 for the older Windows OS.

I think Kaspersky might be the last to support Windows XP.....Actually SUPERAntiSpyware is still working, no news of them ending support yet....Ccleaner still works....

Publicado originalmente por wuddih:

Publicado originalmente por Romillus:

Other then steam, I do not have any personal information on there, I built the PC, downloaded XP

microsoft never offered xp as a download .. so you pirated it, even worse, you have to be hit the jackpot to not find a version that doesn't include malware.

Microsoft indirectly via MSDN......or Technet........or DreamSpark.....

Oh that thread got move....thought it got deleted....looks like it got appended to this big ass thread....hah...

Publicado originalmente por Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

I have a XP copy somewhere, but I don't think I be doing it.

Why not? You don't want to suffer the same argonizing pain as we are?

EDIT: Bloody hell - had to split my reply in three seperate posts...hahahahaha Took me over 5 hrs to conjure up my thoughts in writing, or in this case - typing, after going through all 613 posts....

Well at least I made it! I feel proud! yeah! One 400+ comment thread and a one 600+ comment thread conquered!

EDIT2: Forgot this one!

Publicado originalmente por Crashed:

WannaCry actually affected every version of Windows from XP to 10, and Microsoft actually released emergency patches for XP, XP x64, Server 2003, and 8.0, all Windows versions that are normally out of support.

In fact, apparently Windows 7 (in extended support) may have been the hardest hit - https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/19/15665488/wannacry-windows-7-version-xp-patched-victim-statistics
Of course any unpatched version was capable of propagating the worm, except that maybe XP had a habit of throwing up a kernel crash when attacked - https://www.zdnet.com/article/blue-screen-of-death-saved-windows-xp-from-wannacry-ransomware-say-security-researchers/
(Why is Spawn still blocking me by the way?)

So looks like Windows XP is still supported boiz, by its own creator no less!