Ending support for OSes

[Mr Evil Breakfast]

I realize posting here is the most worthless thing ever, but the outright removal of support for Vista and XP - XP specifially - is a serious problem.

I'm not saying "keep support going!", but can't we at least get a lighter, thinner Steam that basically just supports libraries and downloading of games? I don't take my 14 year old Dell Inspiron 9100 online, but I DO play older games on it because the hardware and XP are geared for it. It won't run Windows 10, and drivers don't exist for that system for it, so why punish users for having older hardware around THAT THEY USE?

Upgrading to Windows 10, or always running the latest, greatest, fire breathing hardware isn't the best thing for an awful lot of older games.

Thoughts?

[Crashed]

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If you are talking about that Pentium 4 computer, it may be a 32-bit only processor, and thus the ~3GB limit still applies even in the latest version of Windows 10.

That would have to be a pretty damned old p4

64-bit was introduced in the Prescott core. Earlier P4's didn't have 64-bit support.
Also note that the 64-bit support in these processors was very rudimentary and I believe has significant performance bottlenecks as compared to a a "native" 64-bit processor.

[kilamlapo]

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That would have to be a pretty damned old p4

64-bit was introduced in the Prescott core. Earlier P4's didn't have 64-bit support.
Also note that the 64-bit support in these processors was very rudimentary and I believe has significant performance bottlenecks as compared to a a "native" 64-bit processor.

it's also the motherboard that can limit the amount of memory.

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Publicado originalmente por kilamlapo:

if you have 7 doesn't mean you can play a game, it depends on your computer. Some needs high end pc to run. I used to buy only games running on my pc with xp, some now works correctly on 7 some works badly.

Can you give an example of one.. because I've yet to find such a game in my library. It's seems like like having access to a whole 4 gigs instead of just 3 gigs improves game performance across the board.

for example: ikaruga, I'm trying to find a way to make it run at full speed on 7. It starts at 60 fps then drop down now to 35 -38 fps (a little better than last week but I'm tweaking the parameters to find where is the problem)

[Start_Running]

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64-bit was introduced in the Prescott core. Earlier P4's didn't have 64-bit support.
Also note that the 64-bit support in these processors was very rudimentary and I believe has significant performance bottlenecks as compared to a a "native" 64-bit processor.

it's also the motherboard that can limit the amount of memory.

THat's usually a bios level limit. Upgrading the bios can fix that, sometimes not. My current Mobo has a hard limit of 8gig ddr2.

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Can you give an example of one.. because I've yet to find such a game in my library. It's seems like like having access to a whole 4 gigs instead of just 3 gigs improves game performance across the board.

for example: ikaruga, I'm trying to find a way to make it run at full speed on 7. It starts at 60 fps then drop down now to 35 -38 fps (a little better than last week but I'm tweaking the parameters to find where is the problem)

Hmmm.. My mind tells me it may be the renbderring used. XP only went as high as Dx9c, 7 has DX11. Is there some way to manually force the game to run in dx9 mode, or Open GL. Failing that.. did you try XP Mode?

Edit: I just trided the Ikaruga Demo and I gotta say it runs like butter. granted i can't actually see the frame rate but The game play is pretty smoothe. Also thanks for reminding me about this game.

I haven't had a good bullet hell shooter in a while. I missed tearingout my hair in rage.

[seppdroid]

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didnt MC announce that they was discontinuing the support (patches/updates.) on older versions of windows?

So?

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

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Publicado originalmente por Aneezelo18999x:

didnt MC announce that they was discontinuing the support (patches/updates.) on older versions of windows?

So?

Pfft...I know, right? Just because the company that made the damn software ended support years ago, doesn't mean Valve should end supprt.



As I said before, you and kilamlapo have blinders on. You two are in for a rude awakening if you don't start coming grips that this is going to happen.

[seppdroid]

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Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

So?

Pfft...I know, right? Just because the company that made the damn software ended support years ago, doesn't mean Valve should end supprt.



As I said before, you and kilamlapo have blinders on. You two are in for a rude awakening if you don't start coming grips that this is going to happen.

Wow, You think i depend on windows xp?
I have multiple pcs and i want to keep playing my old games on my retro setup. Im a guy who doesnt emulate games i play them on the original systems. My original question is if im still able to launch the game.
Only time will tell.
I dont give a living ♥♥♥♥ about support

[kilamlapo]

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Wow, You think i depend on windows xp?
I have multiple pcs and i want to keep playing my old games on my retro setup. Im a guy who doesnt emulate games i play them on the original systems. My original question is if im still able to launch the game.
Only time will tell.
I dont give a living ♥♥♥♥ about support

+1, just download and play.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

You can't "download and play" without support.

The more you two post, the more I think you two should be playing on consoles.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You can't "download and play" without support.

The more you two post, the more I think you two should be playing on consoles.

Grow the fu-ck up.

You're the one wanting Valve to support a 10+ old OS that even MS won't suuport. .....I'd take your own advice.

I'd stop bypassing the filter...it's against the rules.

[I hate anime.]

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You can't "download and play" without support.

The more you two post, the more I think you two should be playing on consoles.

are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 8 years old? act ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ adult (if you even can) and otherwise i would suggest leaving this page.

[Winged One]

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

Pfft...I know, right? Just because the company that made the damn software ended support years ago, doesn't mean Valve should end supprt.



As I said before, you and kilamlapo have blinders on. You two are in for a rude awakening if you don't start coming grips that this is going to happen.

Wow, You think i depend on windows xp?
I have multiple pcs and i want to keep playing my old games on my retro setup. Im a guy who doesnt emulate games i play them on the original systems. My original question is if im still able to launch the game.
Only time will tell.
I dont give a living ♥♥♥♥ about support

in the case of PC games though its not emulation, its just taking a few minutes to configure the software (unless the game is DOS based, but in that case you would be emulating it on XP anyways)

[seppdroid]

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Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Wow, You think i depend on windows xp?
I have multiple pcs and i want to keep playing my old games on my retro setup. Im a guy who doesnt emulate games i play them on the original systems. My original question is if im still able to launch the game.
Only time will tell.
I dont give a living ♥♥♥♥ about support

in the case of PC games though its not emulation, its just taking a few minutes to configure the software (unless the game is DOS based, but in that case you would be emulating it on XP anyways)

I have a DOS machine that plays my old diskettes. i play my older games on my older pc and my newer games on my new system

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

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Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You can't "download and play" without support.

The more you two post, the more I think you two should be playing on consoles.

are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 8 years old? act ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ adult (if you even can) and otherwise i would suggest leaving this page.

I'm free to post whereever I wish, as long as I follow the rules, which you anren't. You made the topic, that DOES NOT mean you control who posts in it.


Oh yeah, you're an adult alright, nice hearts. I suggest that you knock off the swearing.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You're the one wanting Valve to support a 10+ old OS that even .....I'd take your own advice.
MS won't suuport.
I'd stop bypassing the filter...it's against the rules.

Do i have to copy paste my question every time one of you fukers say something useless?
Im not asking valve to support a dated operating system i just want to keep launching my games.
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That last word will get this thread closed REAL quick.

[Start_Running]

Publicado originalmente por seppdroid:

Publicado originalmente por C²C^Guyver |NZB|:

You're the one wanting Valve to support a 10+ old OS that even .....I'd take your own advice.
MS won't suuport.
I'd stop bypassing the filter...it's against the rules.

Do i have to copy paste my question every time one of you fukers say something useless?
Im not asking valve to support a dated operating system i just want to keep launching my games.
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Allowing your outdated client vto interface with their modern systems is support. Your inability to understand what is said does not make what is said useless.

Good grief i swear you two are giving the rest of us XP hold outs a bad name.