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Mr Evil Breakfast 2018 年 8 月 7 日 下午 8:39
Ending support for OSes
I realize posting here is the most worthless thing ever, but the outright removal of support for Vista and XP - XP specifially - is a serious problem.

I'm not saying "keep support going!", but can't we at least get a lighter, thinner Steam that basically just supports libraries and downloading of games? I don't take my 14 year old Dell Inspiron 9100 online, but I DO play older games on it because the hardware and XP are geared for it. It won't run Windows 10, and drivers don't exist for that system for it, so why punish users for having older hardware around THAT THEY USE?

Upgrading to Windows 10, or always running the latest, greatest, fire breathing hardware isn't the best thing for an awful lot of older games.

Thoughts?
引用自 just.kamk /idle:
引用自 Mr Evil Breakfast
Also I'd like to mention, I specifically said they don't have to keep supporting Vista and XP hardcore all the way. If they offered a client that only supports libraries and downloading, and ommited the web browser, VR support, and everything else, what's the harm in that?
No harm, just a lot of work for no reason, besides trying to help those 5 people who run a really outdated operating system, which they shouldn't go online with in the first place.

Not sure why you think they would punish you, or anyone else for that matter.
You could also try linking your account to gog.com - maybe they offer some DRM free version of the game. Btw.: a lot of Steam games don't even use Steams own DRM.
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Start_Running 2019 年 2 月 12 日 上午 10:55 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 Start_Running
DO Gog Fixes get distributed automatically and silently in the background with minimum fuss to the user?
Uhh, yes they do. That's not a point of them getting behind the curve. Nice try though.
No they don't. Well. Not without installing and using the GoG Galaxy CLient...fancy that. If you're not using the client then updates are not automatic or silent. It's a multistep process the user must initiual and perform themselves.

That is also contributing to your inability to see the irony.
When you learn what irony is. Then you can speak of people not seeing it.

Only an idiot would do that, given GOG is pretty consistent about labels to tell you what it is.
Well there are idiots who complain about the steam client not functioning on unsupported OSes so...:lunar2019grinningpig:
CZBGR Icepick 2019 年 2 月 12 日 上午 11:15 
引用自 Start_Running
No they don't. Well. Not without installing and using the GoG Galaxy CLient...fancy that. If you're not using the client then updates are not automatic or silent. It's a multistep process the user must initiual and perform themselves.
LOL, you do. That's why I said you could download your games without the client.

You're confusing this with automatic downloads. We're not concerned with this even for XP where most games are as is.

引用自 Start_Running
When you learn what irony is. Then you can speak of people not seeing it.
LOL the irony is there. You're oblivious to see it.

引用自 Start_Running
Well there are idiots who complain about the steam client not functioning on unsupported OSes so...:lunar2019grinningpig:
That isn't the argument here. That was VALVE distributing the client for an unsupported OS. Completely different for someone explicitly downloading them.
最后由 CZBGR Icepick 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 12 日 上午 11:18
Start_Running 2019 年 2 月 12 日 上午 11:19 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 Start_Running
No they don't. Well. Not without installing and using the GoG Galaxy CLient...fancy that. If you're not using the client then updates are not automatic or silent. It's a multistep process the user must initiual and perform themselves.
LOL, you do. That's why I said you could download your games without the client.

You're confusing this with automatic downloads. We're not concerned with this even for XP where most games are as is.

The question was:
DO Gog Fixes get distributed automatically and silently in the background with minimum fuss to the user?
Your answer:
Uhh, yes they do. That's not a point of them getting behind the curve. Nice try though.

COnclusion. You really have no clue as to what you're saying.

LOL the irony is there. You're oblivious to see it.
Keep telling yourself that. But for the love of god invest in a dictionary.

引用自 Start_Running
Well there are idiots who complain about the steam client not functioning on unsupported OSes so...:lunar2019grinningpig:
That isnt the argument here. That was VALVE distributing the client for an unsupported OS. Completely different for someone explicitly downloading them.
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Already proven you wrong on that point. Keep trying.
CZBGR Icepick 2019 年 2 月 12 日 上午 11:44 
引用自 Start_Running
The question was:
DO Gog Fixes get distributed automatically and silently in the background with minimum fuss to the user?
Your answer:
Uhh, yes they do. That's not a point of them getting behind the curve. Nice try though.

COnclusion. You really have no clue as to what you're saying.
No, I do. You're coming up with problems that don't exist.

引用自 Start_Running
Keep telling yourself that. But for the love of god invest in a dictionary.
Yet you keep trolling. You don't know what this is about clearly, that's why you cant see the irony. That has nothing to do with a dictionary or whatever twisted definition you have for it, but it was clearly irony. Please, do stop with arguing semantics and getting off topic.

引用自 Start_Running
Already proven you wrong on that point. Keep trying.
No, you have not because you don't friggin' get it! You're full of crap right now and this isn't even what this topic is about.
Start_Running 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 12:26 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 Start_Running
Already proven you wrong on that point. Keep trying.
No, you have not because you don't friggin' get it! You're full of crap right now and this isn't even what this topic is about.
The only thing to get is that your head is impervious to any information that contradicts your premade assumptions and beliefs. It;s been explained repeatedly buy multiple parties that What you're complaining about is a direct result of you running the client on an unsupported operating system. The updates are pushed to all active and connected clients., with the reasonable assumption that no one is idiot enough to run the client on an unsupported system. And yet....

So your options are, upgrade,/use your windows 7 box, migrate to another service/platform or just do without. Take your pick and move on with your life.
CZBGR Icepick 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 1:49 
引用自 Start_Running
The only thing to get is that your head is impervious to any information that contradicts your premade assumptions and beliefs.
The thing I get is that you're loaded. None of my "premade assumptions and beliefs" are premade assumptions and beliefs. They come with years of experience, and everything you can find on the internet if you do your research and address what's being discussed. So far you don't know what I'm talking about, so that much is clear.

引用自 Start_Running
It;s been explained repeatedly buy multiple parties that What you're complaining about is a direct result of you running the client on an unsupported operating system. The updates are pushed to all active and connected clients., with the reasonable assumption that no one is idiot enough to run the client on an unsupported system. And yet....
And nobody here wants to run the client on an unsupported system, and we wanted to keep Valve from doing so on systems they aren't supposed to extend support to, especially when it runs counter to their obligations in the SSA. The update was never needed for it. This is not the fault of the user, it's Valve's system overriding the desire to have a functioning client. It does not matter whether there is connectivity at this point, and does not require online use. Just a simple functioning client to launch games. This is not a difficult concept.

That update that bricked the client, bricked up any possible use for being a simple launcher which was not necessary in the first place. This makes use of Steam DRM games much harder to use, and a problem to be avoided with just a functioning client. No internet use is required to do this, and in practice, I currently have a working client doing just that. So seriously, you're doing nothing but arguing and ticking me off.

引用自 Start_Running
So your options are, upgrade,/use your windows 7 box, migrate to another service/platform or just do without. Take your pick and move on with your life.
And again, Win 7+ is pretty damned irrelevant. We don't need to upgrade here in the current circumstances. The XP client functions just fine. All your arguing is going around in circles with the overuse of argumentum ad novitatem, which does nothing for the sake of the fact that XP still is and can be used. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. The whole point was that Valve should have refrained from overwriting the client for the sake of something else. But once again, you're gonna skirt the issue and start blaming people. You should kindly just leave.
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Start_Running 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 1:57 
So stay with XP and never again complain. When more stuff breaks.
CZBGR Icepick 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 1:58 
引用自 Start_Running
So stay with XP and never again complain. When more stuff breaks.
We wouldn't complain if Valve didn't do anything. It doesn't break.
Start_Running 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 2:00 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 Start_Running
So stay with XP and never again complain. When more stuff breaks.
We wouldn't complain if Valve didn't do anything. It doesn't break.
Valve will do what it does. It will update all active clients. If you are running an active client on an unsupported OS... that's your problem. Not Valve's. Just like its not their problem if your running a system with insufficient RAM, or A a too weak CPU.
CZBGR Icepick 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 2:36 
引用自 Start_Running
Valve will do what it does. It will update all active clients. If you are running an active client on an unsupported OS... that's your problem. Not Valve's. Just like its not their problem if your running a system with insufficient RAM, or A a too weak CPU.
Once again, Valve does not need to update a client on unsupported OSs that's not going to work. It's not needed at all. Nobody wants that, and nobody needs that. Nobody using XP is even trying to do so. Valve just happens to do so, which does make it Valve's problem for as long as they sell XP games where people intend to play on XP systems. For as long as doing so intends the client to be bricked, it disrespects the users and the SSA.

And stop with the Win 7+ crap. It's not productive.
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Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 2:38 
What part did we miss? There's only one version of the Steam client... ONE! VERSION!

That same version is updated across all the other OS's...

If you get an update on Windows XP, everyone that includes vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and 10, will be getting that update, the same vice versa...
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CZBGR Icepick 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 2:54 
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
What part did we miss? There's only one version of the Steam client... ONE! VERSION!

That same version is updated across all the other OS's...

If you get an update on Windows XP, everyone that includes vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and 10, will be getting that update, the same vice versa...
Not anymore. Old versions become another version of the client. In this case, the working XP version is different from the new version. Valve tried to apply it to all the old clients, even though XP is not supposed to be supported. If the XP is not supported, so should the XP client. When Valve failed to do so, it crippled on the XP, which was unnecessary.

The XP client functions in it's requisite capacity according to it's lack of support. Just for being a simple launcher is enough and all that is needed. Not an update to do the opposite by disabling the whole thing. Argumentum ad novitatem arguments are tiresome and superfluous, since it isn't at all like XP doesn't work. It's just simply just that the supported client (not the Win 7+ one) will do. You don't need to upgrade to perform a basic function. Bricking it is unnecessary.
Start_Running 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 3:09 


引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
What part did we miss? There's only one version of the Steam client... ONE! VERSION!

That same version is updated across all the other OS's...

If you get an update on Windows XP, everyone that includes vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and 10, will be getting that update, the same vice versa...

Forget it. He's too far gone.
No matter how many times it is explained to him he will insist that the way he thinks it should work is how it works. He can't seperate his preconceptions, from reality. SO let us leave him to his parallel world.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 3:10 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
What part did we miss? There's only one version of the Steam client... ONE! VERSION!

That same version is updated across all the other OS's...

If you get an update on Windows XP, everyone that includes vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and 10, will be getting that update, the same vice versa...
Not anymore. Old versions become another version of the client. In this case, the working XP version is different from the new version. Valve tried to apply it to all the old clients, even though XP is not supposed to be supported. If the XP is not supported, so should the XP client. When Valve failed to do so, it crippled on the XP, which was unnecessary.

The XP client functions in it's requisite capacity according to it's lack of support. Just for being a simple launcher is enough and all that is needed. Not an update to do the opposite by disabling the whole thing. Argumentum ad novitatem arguments are tiresome and superfluous, since it isn't at all like XP doesn't work. It's just simply just that the supported client (not the Win 7+ one) will do. You don't need to upgrade to perform a basic function. Bricking it is unnecessary.
:conwayfacepalm:

We have only one version on Windows... You're talking about the firmware / update version, I'm talking about how there's only one single client itself, that was made for across all versions of Windows... Hence the one version, as there's no stand alone XP version, Vista version, and etc.. It's all put into one client, which we all get, and get the same update.... Even if the fix has nothing to do with the other versions of Windows, the code still getting applied to their client as it's a single one version client, which we all get the same updates.
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CZBGR Icepick 2019 年 2 月 12 日 下午 3:34 
引用自 Dr.Shadowds 🐉
as there's no stand alone XP version, Vista version, and etc.. It's all put into one client, which we all get, and get the same update.... Even if the fix has nothing to do with the other versions of Windows, the code still getting applied to their client as it's a single one version client, which we all get the same updates.
:steamfacepalm:

It literally becomes a separate client when you have a newer incarnation of a client, especially when the newer version does not support OSs like XP. This is the definition and the concept of what a legacy client is about. It doesn't get the codes for the new client, which is what I've been telling you the entire time! It's not one version anymore.

I do the same thing with UPlay. Yes, there's still a UPlay client for XP! It's different from the newer UPlay client intended for later versions of Windows, and they run on different systems.
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