Ending support for OSes

[Mr Evil Breakfast]

I realize posting here is the most worthless thing ever, but the outright removal of support for Vista and XP - XP specifially - is a serious problem.

I'm not saying "keep support going!", but can't we at least get a lighter, thinner Steam that basically just supports libraries and downloading of games? I don't take my 14 year old Dell Inspiron 9100 online, but I DO play older games on it because the hardware and XP are geared for it. It won't run Windows 10, and drivers don't exist for that system for it, so why punish users for having older hardware around THAT THEY USE?

Upgrading to Windows 10, or always running the latest, greatest, fire breathing hardware isn't the best thing for an awful lot of older games.

Thoughts?

[cult]

Because old hardware is useless because newer stuff is cheap, and why support older OS's when it just gets in the way of supporting current ones.
Also, for those "older games", chances are if it's a game people care about, it'll be on an emulator.

[Mr Evil Breakfast]

I also travel a lot, so all my gaming is done on laptops. I literally cannot buy cheap hardware. That Dell Inspiron 9100 (and a few other systems) are necessary. Also, I'm sure a lot of other people run multiple systems. Not EVERYONE ditches their system immediately.

[Chompman]

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

I also travel a lot, so all my gaming is done on laptops. I literally cannot buy cheap hardware. That Dell Inspiron 9100 (and a few other systems) are necessary. Also, I'm sure a lot of other people run multiple systems. Not EVERYONE ditches their system immediately.

This is outside of steams end as this has happened with other os's as you cannot expect support for win 3.1 or win 95 so how is this different?

[cult]

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

I also travel a lot, so all my gaming is done on laptops. I literally cannot buy cheap hardware. That Dell Inspiron 9100 (and a few other systems) are necessary. Also, I'm sure a lot of other people run multiple systems. Not EVERYONE ditches their system immediately.

600$ is all you have to spend for a laptop with a i5 and a 1050 that will do literally everything you want,
Proof?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154234&cm_re=1050_laptop-_-34-154-234-_-Product
That's not that out of line of affordability, it's about the price of a normal business laptop, give or take.
Also, "Not EVERYONE ditches their system immediately"
They ditch it if it's outdated and they can't resell it to upgrade.

[koji_kamori]

Yeah I just saw this red bolden message on my steam client. Here is a happy solution, STOP UPDATING MY STEAM CLIENT!!!

Seriously, I have bought an additional steam version of Battlefield 2 for my brother and I happily own a physical CD of the game. It runs 100% on windows Vista. So why the hell would steam who places even the minimal requirements for many games as being XP or Vista then take away "suppot"? So what, you don't support an older operating system, so why then I can't play a game that I used to be able to play, bought and paid for anymore? For a game that I paid for, why do I have to go though steam just to run it?

So you bar me from "new features" because newer operating systems borrow the libraries, I don't even care, I paid for a game, I want to play the games I paid for otherwise this is pure theif.

[Mr Evil Breakfast]

Publicado originalmente por emio:

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

I also travel a lot, so all my gaming is done on laptops. I literally cannot buy cheap hardware. That Dell Inspiron 9100 (and a few other systems) are necessary. Also, I'm sure a lot of other people run multiple systems. Not EVERYONE ditches their system immediately.

600$ is all you have to spend for a laptop with a i5 and a 1050 that will do literally everything you want,
Proof?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154234&cm_re=1050_laptop-_-34-154-234-_-Product
That's not that out of line of affordability, it's about the price of a normal business laptop, give or take.
Also, "Not EVERYONE ditches their system immediately"
They ditch it if it's outdated and they can't resell it to upgrade.

I own newer hardware to play newer games on newer OSes. That's not my point. If you actually read what I'm saying, I pair older hardware WITH older OSes, because they RUN older games better. Brute force doesn't win against elegant pairing. Also, those brand new laptops won't support things I need, like DVI ports and even eSATA.

I don't want hardware or software shoved down my throat. Stop it.

[Chompman]

Publicado originalmente por koji_kamori:

Yeah I just saw this red bolden message on my steam client. Here is a happy solution, STOP UPDATING MY STEAM CLIENT!!!

Seriously, I have bought an additional steam version of Battlefield 2 for my brother and I happily own a physical CD of the game. It runs 100% on windows Vista. So why the hell would steam who places even the minimal requirements for many games as being XP or Vista then take away "suppot"? So what, you don't support an older operating system, so why then I can't play a game that I used to be able to play, bought and paid for anymore? For a game that I paid for, why do I have to go though steam just to run it?

So you bar me from "new features" because newer operating systems borrow the libraries, I don't even care, I paid for a game, I want to play the games I paid for otherwise this is pure theif.

Because the game devs wanted it this way.

Steam has a right to keep their client updated and secure and if that bothers you this much either update your os to something from the past decade or go yell at windows for ending their support and causing other places to do similar.

[cult]

Publicado originalmente por koji_kamori:

Yeah I just saw this red bolden message on my steam client. Here is a happy solution, STOP UPDATING MY STEAM CLIENT!!!

Seriously, I have bought an additional steam version of Battlefield 2 for my brother and I happily own a physical CD of the game. It runs 100% on windows Vista. So why the hell would steam who places even the minimal requirements for many games as being XP or Vista then take away "suppot"? So what, you don't support an older operating system, so why then I can't play a game that I used to be able to play, bought and paid for anymore? For a game that I paid for, why do I have to go though steam just to run it?

So you bar me from "new features" because newer operating systems borrow the libraries, I don't even care, I paid for a game, I want to play the games I paid for otherwise this is pure theif.

oh god

you play on an outdated OS, on a game that can run on a new OS, like windows 7+.
You like Vista? You'll like Windows 7.
Keys for the OS's are less than 5$, and if your computer cant run a new OS, than why do you have that computer in 2018.

If you've had this old computer that can't run a new OS, than you've probably saved up money for something.
400, 500, 600$ will get you your portibility, your ability to play old games, and new games, and will make you realize that your OS is outdated.
Also,
You misspelled "Support", and also put it in quotation marks, saying it as "Support" means that they don't need to support it,
Steam supporting old OS's is about as smart for them as trying to drown a fish.

[Chompman]

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

Publicado originalmente por emio:

600$ is all you have to spend for a laptop with a i5 and a 1050 that will do literally everything you want,
Proof?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154234&cm_re=1050_laptop-_-34-154-234-_-Product
That's not that out of line of affordability, it's about the price of a normal business laptop, give or take.
Also, "Not EVERYONE ditches their system immediately"
They ditch it if it's outdated and they can't resell it to upgrade.

I own newer hardware to play newer games on newer OSes. That's not my point. If you actually read what I'm saying, I pair older hardware WITH older OSes, because they RUN older games better. Brute force doesn't win against elegant pairing. Also, those brand new laptops won't support things I need, like DVI ports and even eSATA.

I don't want hardware or software shoved down my throat. Stop it.

If you want to complain to someone talk to the game devs of these games to update it to run with newer os / hardware as that's their responsibility and not steams.

[Mr Evil Breakfast]

Also I'd like to mention, I specifically said they don't have to keep supporting Vista and XP hardcore all the way. If they offered a client that only supports libraries and downloading, and ommited the web browser, VR support, and everything else, what's the harm in that?

[cult]

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

Publicado originalmente por emio:

600$ is all you have to spend for a laptop with a i5 and a 1050 that will do literally everything you want,
Proof?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834154234&cm_re=1050_laptop-_-34-154-234-_-Product
That's not that out of line of affordability, it's about the price of a normal business laptop, give or take.
Also, "Not EVERYONE ditches their system immediately"
They ditch it if it's outdated and they can't resell it to upgrade.

I own newer hardware to play newer games on newer OSes. That's not my point. If you actually read what I'm saying, I pair older hardware WITH older OSes, because they RUN older games better. Brute force doesn't win against elegant pairing. Also, those brand new laptops won't support things I need, like DVI ports and even eSATA.

I don't want hardware or software shoved down my throat. Stop it.

your bias makes you more blind than me if i poured bleach in my eyes and then stuck a screwdriver in them

[Mr Evil Breakfast]

Publicado originalmente por emio:

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

I own newer hardware to play newer games on newer OSes. That's not my point. If you actually read what I'm saying, I pair older hardware WITH older OSes, because they RUN older games better. Brute force doesn't win against elegant pairing. Also, those brand new laptops won't support things I need, like DVI ports and even eSATA.

I don't want hardware or software shoved down my throat. Stop it.

your bias makes you more blind than me if i poured bleach in my eyes and then stuck a screwdriver in them

You're pretty biased, too. So. Keep that in mind. I shouldn't have to bow to your way of thinking either.

[cult]

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

Publicado originalmente por emio:

your bias makes you more blind than me if i poured bleach in my eyes and then stuck a screwdriver in them

You're pretty biased, too. So. Keep that in mind. I shouldn't have to bow to your way of thinking either.

i ' m b i a s e d b e c a u s e i u p d a t e m y p c a n d r u n l i t e r a l l y e v e r y t h i n g b e t t e r

[just.kamk /idle]

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

Also I'd like to mention, I specifically said they don't have to keep supporting Vista and XP hardcore all the way. If they offered a client that only supports libraries and downloading, and ommited the web browser, VR support, and everything else, what's the harm in that?

No harm, just a lot of work for no reason, besides trying to help those 5 people who run a really outdated operating system, which they shouldn't go online with in the first place.

Not sure why you think they would punish you, or anyone else for that matter.
You could also try linking your account to gog.com - maybe they offer some DRM free version of the game. Btw.: a lot of Steam games don't even use Steams own DRM.

[Mr Evil Breakfast]

Publicado originalmente por kamk /idle:

Publicado originalmente por Mr Evil Breakfast:

Also I'd like to mention, I specifically said they don't have to keep supporting Vista and XP hardcore all the way. If they offered a client that only supports libraries and downloading, and ommited the web browser, VR support, and everything else, what's the harm in that?

No harm, just a lot of work for no reason, besides trying to help those 5 people who run a really outdated operating system, which they shouldn't go online with in the first place.

Not sure why you think they would punish you, or anyone else for that matter.
You could also try linking your account to gog.com - maybe they offer some DRM free version of the game. Btw.: a lot of Steam games don't even use Steams own DRM.

Now that, is at least an idea.