Why is there a setting for allowing furry porn games, but not for uncensoring words?

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Seriously, how is this https://store.steampowered.com/app/958720/Second_Chance/ allowed if saying ♥♥♥♥ isnt? Why even have the censoring in the first place, this isnt Roblox. A simple setting would be all it would take. Games sold here have explicit content anyway, you arent protecting the kiddos by having words replaced with hearts. The inconsistancy is what actualy gets under my skin here, either censor everything or censor nothing.

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引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

The option to enable viewing swears won't make people spam them everywhere the same way that having this filter in the first place won't prevent people from using them. It's a slight nudge.

But it's better to have an automatic nudge toward not swearing than to not have one.

You admit that it does nothing, and you still want to keep it? A "slight nudge" doesnt effect anything, especialy people who are already worked up.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

引用自 lil croc：

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

The option to enable viewing swears won't make people spam them everywhere the same way that having this filter in the first place won't prevent people from using them. It's a slight nudge.

But it's better to have an automatic nudge toward not swearing than to not have one.

You admit that it does nothing, and you still want to keep it? A "slight nudge" doesnt effect anything, especialy people who are already worked up.

I never said it does nothing.

It said it's a slight nudge. You could compare it to, say, cover fire.

The people who are already worked up are going to be frustrated in their attempts to pour their mental farts onto the forum. Either they will become even more agitated and thus accelerate their own removal, or they will walk away and take a breather more quickly.

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引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

It said it's a slight nudge. You could compare it to, say, cover fire.

The people who are already worked up are going to be frustrated in their attempts to pour their mental farts onto the forum. Either they will become even more agitated and thus accelerate their own removal, or they will walk away and take a breather more quickly.

Cover fire is a bit more than a "slight nudge". A person venting on the fourms will be banned. How long it takes is irrelevant, so long as it happens. The second a mod is alerted, the banning ensues. The hearts do nothing to hasten or delay this process. They are entirely vestigial.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

引用自 lil croc：

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

It said it's a slight nudge. You could compare it to, say, cover fire.

The people who are already worked up are going to be frustrated in their attempts to pour their mental farts onto the forum. Either they will become even more agitated and thus accelerate their own removal, or they will walk away and take a breather more quickly.

Cover fire is a bit more than a "slight nudge". A person venting on the fourms will be banned. How long it takes is irrelevant, so long as it happens. The second a mod is alerted, the banning ensues. The hearts do nothing to hasten or delay this process. They are entirely vestigial.

...you think a person venting on the forums should be banned?

I don't think so. I think they should be advised, politely but firmly, but that they shouldn't vent on the forums.

The hearts modify the "vibe". By making swearing look sillier and thereby interrupting the flow of expression that they convey, they show that this isn't the kind of place where swearing one's mouth off is simply okay.

I don't want to see people get banned just for posting an f-bomb. Instead, they ought to be informed that f-bombs aren't a thing that is considered acceptable around here.

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

I don't want to see people get banned just for posting an f-bomb. Instead, they ought to be informed that f-bombs aren't a thing that is considered acceptable around here.

Not that I’m advocating for any sudden increase in bans (indeed, the fact that the filter changing doesn’t mean the rules or their enforcement needs to change is a major part of my points), but these people have already been informed. That’s what the rules page is for. All the other rules that don’t have filters associated with them show how normal a situation that is.

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引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

...you think a person venting on the forums should be banned?

I don't think so. I think they should be advised, politely but firmly, but that they shouldn't vent on the forums.

The hearts modify the "vibe". By making swearing look sillier and thereby interrupting the flow of expression that they convey, they show that this isn't the kind of place where swearing one's mouth off is simply okay.

I don't want to see people get banned just for posting an f-bomb. Instead, they ought to be informed that f-bombs aren't a thing that is considered acceptable around here.

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

Bottom line is, Steam isn't primarily meant to be a platform for venting emotions.

I thought you did mate. Sorry for assuming.

What I don't understand is why f-bombs would be unacceptable. Why force people to have them restricted, rather than letting them choose? And the hearts dont disrupt anything, most people just sub them in for the original word in their heads anyway. Its just irritating, is all.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

I don't want to see people get banned just for posting an f-bomb. Instead, they ought to be informed that f-bombs aren't a thing that is considered acceptable around here.

Not that I’m advocating for any sudden increase in bans (indeed, the fact that the filter changing doesn’t mean the rules or their enforcement needs to change is a major part of my points), but these people have already been informed. That’s what the rules page is for. All the other rules that don’t have filters associated with them show how normal a situation that is.

Many people start posting in a forum before reading the rules. Or the EULA/user agreement/etc. that matter.

That's where a more active "presence" of such rules comes in. Not just a sudden mod action delayed from the incident, but an immediate result.

While other rules don't have such a feature aiding them, that's because such a feature is harder to design for most rules. OTOH if there's something that can be addressed by addressing specific words, it is -- the wordfilter includes things like racial slurs, for example.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

引用自 lil croc：

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

...you think a person venting on the forums should be banned?

I don't think so. I think they should be advised, politely but firmly, but that they shouldn't vent on the forums.

The hearts modify the "vibe". By making swearing look sillier and thereby interrupting the flow of expression that they convey, they show that this isn't the kind of place where swearing one's mouth off is simply okay.

I don't want to see people get banned just for posting an f-bomb. Instead, they ought to be informed that f-bombs aren't a thing that is considered acceptable around here.

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

Bottom line is, Steam isn't primarily meant to be a platform for venting emotions.

I thought you did mate. Sorry for assuming.

What I don't understand is why f-bombs would be unacceptable. Why force people to have them restricted, rather than letting them choose? And the hearts dont disrupt anything, most people just sub them in for the original word in their heads anyway. Its just irritating, is all.

The fact that it's irritating is the active reminder use them. It's the glaring.

Sorry you find it irritating (even though it feels a bit silly that I feel like I'm apologizing on behalf of Steam), but basically it's just the part where you see someone being glared at.

Honestly, as I said earlier, I don't really mind it either way, though I prefer it as is.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

also the furry porn is hilariously irrelevant to this whole thing so after a while it's almost like this thread is an advertisement for furry porn lol

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

Many people start posting in a forum before reading the rules. Or the EULA/user agreement/etc. that matter.

Yes, but that’s their choice and their responsibility, it is not my responsibility and should not mean I am restricted.

This idea that the filter is there primarily as feedback that the user has broken the rules is pretty ahistorical. I mean you’d have to be ignoring the history of “bleeps” etc to think that this is done as feedback for the writer rather than as part of paternalistic moral protection for readers (and/or legal arse-covering for the publication). If they actually just wanted to give a message saying “hey, this post uses some words we’d prefer you didn’t use”, they could literally have just done that instead, but instead they choose to hide the words from everyone’s view, which if you’re trying to tell people which words they shouldn’t use, is counterproductive anyway.

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引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

also the furry porn is hilariously irrelevant to this whole thing so after a while it's almost like this thread is an advertisement for furry porn lol

tbh the furry porn was clickbait
looks like it worked

it is what initaly drove me to create this thread though, the irritation doesnt come from the filter itself, rather the inconsistancy of allowing that but not heck words.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

引用自 Gus the Crocodile：

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

Many people start posting in a forum before reading the rules. Or the EULA/user agreement/etc. that matter.

Yes, but that’s their choice and their responsibility, it is not my responsibility and should not mean I am restricted.

This idea that the filter is there primarily as feedback that the user has broken the rules is pretty ahistorical. I mean you’d have to be ignoring the history of “bleeps” etc to think that this is done as feedback for the writer rather than as part of paternalistic moral protection for readers (and/or legal arse-covering for the publication). If they actually just wanted to give a message saying “hey, this post uses some words we’d prefer you didn’t use”, they could literally have just done that instead, but instead they choose to hide the words from everyone’s view, which if you’re trying to tell people which words they shouldn’t use, is counterproductive anyway.

You sound like you're reading some sort of political implication or agenda into this.

Well, as I pointed out earlier:

"In other words, on this platform, there's stuff more important than your desire for the freedom to read anything you want the way you want it."

Also, whatever the historical uses/motivations of bleeping are, it doesn't really matter in this case. You're going into philosophical assessments of the situation again.

Sure, they could have put an automatic message to the writer to not use these words, but that'd just be to the writer.

Right now:

* You can't write a swearword without it getting turned into hearts? Well you just got a practical implementation of a rule.
* You can't see swearwords written out even though you know what they are? Well you just realized that there's probably something that turns them into heart symbols, which indicates to you that there's something about swearwords that isn't flying around here.
* You can see hearts but don't know what goes in place of them? Well, that's okay; Steam didn't want to teach you the words anyway.

It serves Steam's purposes in all three ways.

引用自 lil croc：

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

also the furry porn is hilariously irrelevant to this whole thing so after a while it's almost like this thread is an advertisement for furry porn lol

tbh the furry porn was clickbait
looks like it worked

it is what initaly drove me to create this thread though, the irritation doesnt come from the filter itself, rather the inconsistancy of allowing that but not heck words.

Yeah, I know what the comparison was for. Still funny to see it though. And lol yeah I guess it worked.

[Gus the Crocodile]

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

You sound like you're reading some sort of political implication or agenda into this.

I’m acknowledging that culture is not a series of choices made in vacuum. That context exists, and is relevant when interpreting meaning, speculating about intentions etc. Pretending that Valve exists in isolation and somehow act and communicate without influences from the culture they exist in is ludicrous. And the idea that the actions of corporations are best thought of in such a way is itself a political position, not an apolitical one.

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

Sure, they could have put an automatic message to the writer to not use these words, but that'd just be to the writer.

Well I didn’t suggest that. Why would it be just to the writer, given you seem to think they intend to communicate to more than just the writer?

引用自 Quint the Water Fairy：

It serves Steam's purposes in all three ways.

If we assume you speak for Steam. And maybe you’re right. But the suggestions forum is fundamentally not about people coming to say what’s best for Steam, it’s here so people can say what’s best for them. It’s not our job to look out for Valve, they’re big kids, they’ll be fine.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Fair enough, you're right that I'm not Steam and so those are just my best guesses at the purposes.

Though these forums are chock full of proposed changes to Steam and responses from people commenting that the changes are not necessary for various reasons they suppose Steam has. Some of which may very well be true, even.

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引用自 lil croc：

I still fail to understand how a toggle option would change anything, other than making people like me and Gus happy. People who want to keep the filter on would see their hearts, people who don't could see their swears, everybody wins. For the record, I disagree with word filters being added to other games too, and I, again, fail to see how the ability to enable people to look at heck words would change anything.

In three words? Opening the floodgates.

People often forget that just because you can doesn't mean you should.