IP ban

[yuuun]

you know how hackers can just make another account maybe make and ip ban so they cant hack again like in csgo

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Person You Love The Most:

you know how hackers can just make another account maybe make and ip ban so they cant hack again like in csgo

I can change my IP in no time.

IP bans do not work and it hurts cafes, dorms and families on the same IP.

[Gwarsbane]

IP bans are pointless, you can literally change it in seconds.

Copy and paste for every time a "I have a great idea to stop cheating" and the "DO SOMETHING" posts that always happen...

While below is mainly aimed at VAC, it can be said about any anti-cheat software.

Do you really think that they just sit there saying, "oh we have the perfect way to stop all hackers/cheaters once and for all, but we're just not going to do it cause we're lazy, ohh look at that, more money just rolled in, time to sit back doing nothing again"....

You have no idea how hard it is to stop hackers/cheater.

Blocking IPs are pointless, IPs can be changed in seconds, also if you block a single IP you could end up blocking lots of innocent people specially if the ISPs reuse IPs.

Blocking Hardware IDs is also as pointless, they can be changed and if you sell off your hardware, anyone who gets it will be banned.

Valve has to know about the hack and has to get their hands on it.
Then they have to figure out how it does its thing.
Then they have to figure out how to detect someone using it.
Then they have to figure out how to make sure they don't get any false positives.
Then they make it go active for a few weeks before actually hitting the kill switch.

Even before hitting the waiting time, this could be a few weeks work or more.

Why do they wait a few weeks to hit the kill switch? To get as many cheaters as they can in the net so that once they turn it on, the roaches don't go screaming to people "don't turn on the hack, its been detected".

Now, do you know how easy it is for a cheat maker to change the cheat to make it undetectable? Sometimes its as simple as changing a few lines of code and thats it. Basically a few minutes work, then compile the program, test it, and upload it somewhere.

So if you want to help Valve, stop making posts like this. Look for people spreading urls to websites with hacks and send those urls (for the hacks and hack sites) to steam support. Don't post them in public, just send it to steam support.

[FFL2and3rocks]

There is no magic "stop this person from ever playing again" button.

[ecznos]

IP and HWID bans are useless.

[Jazz]

As everyone else has said, IP bans are virtually worthless at stopping determined hackers, unfortunately.

[76561198407601200]

Początkowo opublikowane przez The Person You Love The Most:

you know how hackers can just make another account maybe make and ip ban so they cant hack again like in csgo

And what would be done once the cheater changes their ip address? See how quickly that idea has already failed?

[Cathulhu]

Changing my IP is done faster than making a new Steam account. I simply need to open a web browser, enter the address of my router, log in with my credentials and then hit the reconnect button.
Takes less than a minute in total.

How is that supposed to deter cheaters again?

[yuuun]

okay thanks

[Autumn_]

There is no (practical) way of stopping cheaters, and I don't see how there could be.
IP and hardware bans are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pointless and take a few moments to overcome.

[The Fonze]

Doesnt Steam actually know where you are when your playing though?

Like, when I moved and set up my computer I was in a new state altogether. Yet when I tried to sign onto my account, i got an email saying something along the lines of "Someone tried to access your account from here" which then showed me my IP address as well as a google map of my new place.

If they can do this for security, im pretty sure they can do it for other things as well.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Malcolm Tucker:

Doesnt Steam actually know where you are when your playing though?

Like, when I moved and set up my computer I was in a new state altogether. Yet when I tried to sign onto my account, i got an email saying something along the lines of "Someone tried to access your account from here" which then showed me my IP address as well as a google map of my new place.

If they can do this for security, im pretty sure they can do it for other things as well.

Refer back to post 1. The last sentence.

[ KARR™]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Malcolm Tucker:

Doesnt Steam actually know where you are when your playing though?

If they can do this for security, im pretty sure they can do it for other things as well.

They know your IP address. Which gives your 'general' location. Yes without VPN or Proxy, your IP should always be in the same 'general' place, although if your ISP has a presence in several places, it may jump from town to town if your IP changes.

Saying that, the IP address i am posting from says i am in London, just next to Charring Cross Station - when i'm actually over 100 miles AWAY from that location.

You can ban an IP - i can get a new one and the person that gets my old one... is now banned. You can ban a PART of an Ip address which means a whole load of people get banned who had nothing to do with it.
If you're sharing an IP either at home or in an office - you also ban the entire range of computers under that address!

[Phantom]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Autumn:

There is no (practical) way of stopping cheaters, and I don't see how there could be.
IP and hardware bans are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pointless and take a few moments to overcome.

I agree that you cannot practically stop cheating at all.

You can only restrict cheaters until they re-appear again.

Even if we somehow get bleeding edge or miltary-grade anti-cheat in the future, cheaters will simply evade bans with new accounts—if that's how the matchmaking system works.

The best you can do is have a rigid anti-cheat and allow for reports, and in may games, there's vote-kick options for certain non-competitive matchmaking.

Using CS:GO as an example, Overwatch in concort with VAC is really a formidable force, but there will always be someone that had a bad experience in-game and will just go rant on some forum.

[The HopelessGamer™]

Alot of countries/states do not have static IP addresses. This means i can reboot my router/modem and boom i have a brand new IP in seconds.


VPNs can circumvent this (Valve does not tolerate the use of VPNs on VAC Secured servers or to bypass any restrictions on the store front).

You can spoof your IP. IP bans do not work for much other then make your family unhappy when they cannot get on steam you did something silly...

[Crashed]

IP bans today are becoming increasingly overreaching as ISPs, especially low priced ones, move their IPv4 allocation to Carrier Grade NAT. This causes multiple customers to share the same Internet facing IPv4 address.