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Been suggested many times before.
Please use the search function.
As for a whitelist. I've suggested such things in the past, that there should be some tier between unknown and friend. which would function like a public shortlist. But again that relies on people using it as intended.
Can you elaborate on the subject how a whitelist could be used the wrong way? Turning on whitelist could imply disappearance from a FL people that are not marked, so you would only see whitelisted people on your FL. Having an option to create temporal groups akin to multichats, where you can invite people you want to be in touch or being able to join games while signed off, would be also an interesting option (invite, sign off, job's done).
the problem with "anyone who cannot respect... should be removed from the list" lies in diversity of human's perceivement, for some people, you would be the one removed if you'd suggest such thing. People have even close friends on their lists and if you have for example over 200 contacts, it will take some time to explain each other that you want a moment of silence. Of course, signing out is a solution, unless you're playing with someone or want to keep in touch with someone at the moment during gameplay, that's where steam platform acts like a stopgap.
Your conlcusion is pointless too, you can ping "signed off" user, a notification of unread message will appear in top right corner despite him being signed off (tested), that's how i got response few times from my friend after i messaged him. The only discrepancy is that a message will not pop-up in notification box and sound won't be played.
Anyway, that's why i suggested some sort of white list or friends room as alternative.
So how about this. You can appear offline to your friends list but in return, they will appear as offline to you.
This function exists for ages in many types of comunication platforms, even Origin have invisible mode, why is it a stalking tool so suddenly on steam, how one could harm another one that way?
There is no problem. Anyone i call friend has to have even a basic level of respect for me and my wishes just as i afford them. If I say something like If I'me Not 'looking to PLay' It means I'm not really looking for group play, then any person with a basic level of respect and consideration would understand. It's not unlike telling peeps not to call you at 2am unless it is an emergency of life or death. It's not unreasonable. ANyone who cannot afford you such a basic level of consideration is not worth keeping as a friend.
And such close friends would naturally understand and afford you enough respect and courtesy to follow your wishes.
Look if you had a friend who always farts iin your face while you're eating and you one day ask them to kindly not fart in your face and they still go right on doing it, would you consider this person a friend or would you basically just stop hanging around them (especially when eating)?
Or you leave a note on your profile.
And thedoor has to swing both ways. Otherwise what you are to them is not so much a friend but a tool. Friendship is not complicated. It's simply about having some common courtesy and respect for the other person. Which is why no friend would find it unreasonable if you said , "I'll let you know when I'm up for play."
People who see you as a tool however would feel offended by this.
It's only complex if you're the sort who views friends in the same way most view pokemon, as something to be collectred, as 'score' tally.
Seems like you certainly omitted that you can stalk your friends same way, but looking at your friends list from steam profile (being signed off), so deliberating whether invisibility is a tool of stalking or not is totally pointless.
For ages invisibility was introduced in various platforms and if it's such an evil thing, why does it exists till present day? What kind of harm would would bring to you that somebody is stealthing and stalking you that way, that is the question you can't answer cause there is none except that "stalker" could do to himself.
What would people think if they get to know that i'm invisible? That's completely my problem isn't it, and all i can do is to harm myself if i would act that way.
Because it kind of is. Seeing others while denying them the ability to see you is pretty much textbook stalking.
That only works for public profiles though and in such cases the individuals have basically given the okay. BUt this is not the issue at hand is it?
It's just plain creepy and shady. That's all. If you don't have the spirit to actually talk to your friends about such things then you don't have friends. You just have a list of names.
Yup. It is completely your problem. You know what else is completely your problem? Having friends that can see when you're online..
And once again ignorance is all you're giving me, since you didn't even checked that. I have to disappoint you, but you can see all non-private profiles while being signed off and i double checked that, the only time you won't see them is when you'll try to use a browser when you're not logged in, but if you use steam, you have everything served on tray, both public and friends-only profiles are accessible.
Says the one hiding behind private profile (or friends only).
I see, you're quite a fella with a very narrow sight and you're using friends/contacts terms switching like there were no difference between them. Steam is not only about having friends, there are more shades of grey, there are traders, commenters, artists and many other type of stuff you would want to keep for your interest and convenience and you can't group them, all in one bag. I don't need to be invisible 100% time, only when i need some space with selected few i want to play or talk, but certainly you have your own biased opinion you deliberately are trying to force on me making this conversation completely about your personal issues. Your lathered mouth is obstructing your view so much, you didn't even notice that i suggested something else instead of invisibility. There is even a word "OR" in the title which gives a room for deliberations and possibility of coming with something more fitting even for scared folks like you. I'm not insisting for invisibility to be the sole right and only solution, i'm open for alternativeves, but i don't see you deliberating, did it even stroke your mind that invisibility could come with an option to appear offline for invisible ones? Nope, not with prejudical and shallow mind of yours, all you're trying to do is to put me in bad light and forcibly stick a stalker tag like it's the only argument you can came up. Following your way of thought, i should deem all people having knife at home as potential killers. Let's make a rally against knives at home without a licence.
Fortunately, one biased swallow doesn't make a summer.
well stalking aside, at least not show the game one is playing but just saying on is online or in-game without specifying which would be helpful as hell.
why that? it's the Suggestions subforum of the OFFICIAL steam forum.
It's funny how you all warmongers have nothing constructive to say except looking for a problem with my personality. I already proven that stalking is already possible since yore while being in "signed off" mode, so what would you try to pick on right now, that i don't really want to make my friends feel bad, that i don't wan't to explain 150 people storming me that i want to focus on my game right now (because there are a lot of times when i'm OK with answering, playing for example something low paced, or just in the mood to do both)? The way how you present your approach to your friends and trying to force that kind of thinking is only a sign of bigotism. You are not an oracle about the subject of treating my friends. As much people, as much ways of treating the contacts, for some they're something that serves the subject of gaming, for some not. I bet explaining it to ones like you is really pointless.
Basicly, it's an suggestions/ideas branch isn't it? So i'm basicly suggesting and proposing my ideas? Did i break the rules?
Did i hurt you feeble pride by suggesting something convenient for me and a lot of people carving for some option to create personal space? What is the point of answering if all you want to do is OT and flush your discontent?
It is possible with a trick, set your status to whatever you like, then sign off. Go to the unread messages, some sort of browser chat will open and you will assume your last set status, your friends will see you "online in browser" but not in game. You can chat, but you won't get notification pop-up during a game.