Filter out games that have 3rd-party EULAs and/or extra DRM

[Chay Gaspurr]

I'm not sure how easy or hard it would be to implement this on the Steam store but I'd like to have the option to hide or remove all games that have their own EULA (apart from Steam's own EULA).

Also, games that have additional DRM (like Denuvo) don't interest me at all, so it would be nice to be able to filter them out completely, and make my searches through the store easier.

Is it possible to include such filters? Thank you.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

You want to filter out all 3rd party games?

[mimizukari]

u realize that pretty much means you'd only see valve games, right? XD.

[Gwarsbane]

No its not possible, because that pretty much filters out every single game on steam.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

No its not possible, because that pretty much filters out every single game on steam.

except the crapware indie 1 dollar asset flip titles with 5000 achievements, pretty much. lmao.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by Yuiko:

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

No its not possible, because that pretty much filters out every single game on steam.

except the crapware indie 1 dollar asset flip titles with 5000 achievements, pretty much. lmao.

wouldn't know, don't go for those ones anyway

[Run(2)slo]

Pretty much every game has a EULA (End User Licence Agreement). If you have concerns with some terms in a EULA, you can take it up with the company, but most EULAs are there to prevent you from reselling the game illegally, claiming it as your own, or suing the company.

[mimizukari]

Originally posted by Run(2)slo:

Pretty much every game has a EULA (End User Licence Agreement). If you have concerns with some terms in a EULA, you can take it up with the company, but most EULAs are there to prevent you from reselling the game illegally, claiming it as your own, or suing the company.

they can never go above the law though, feel free to sue the company if your local laws allow it.

[Start_Running]

The EULA is basically a contract between you and the publisher. It states what they are obliged to provide you with and states the limitations and caveats underwhich you may use the software. Alll games have an EULA. many games have an additional one just as a course of business.

[Gwarsbane]

If you don't want to buy any games on steam that include a EULA then don't buy any 3rd party games, don't buy any games with multiplayer. Heck even Valves games have EULAs.

EVERY GAME comes with EULAs. So basically you might as well stop buying games on Steam or any other games out there no matter what the platform is.

Every game includes a EULA so protect the devs/publishers of the game. If you don't like that, well there is nothing you can do.

And again a filter to filter out EULAs in games means you filter out EVERY game.

[Legostyle03]

What is the point of the feature?

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by Chay Gaspurr:

@Gwarsbane thank you for your concern, but maybe I didn't make myself clear.

I know every game has a EULA. However, most games have only what you might call a "standard" EULA. Other games (mostly 3rd-party) have an additional EULA.

It's that additional EULA that I want (dare I say "need") to filter out.

Steam offers hundreds of new games every month, any help to shorten that list is welcome.

Valve would have no idea if the games EULA is a standard EULA where it pretty sure says the same thing with every single game out there but just changes a couple of the details like the company name, game name and so on. Or if its a completely custom one where they ask for your first born or what ever if you score more then 10 points in under 2 minutes. on level 31.

Seriously, you are blowing this way out of proportion and Valve would have no idea which ones are bad by your standards which you still haven't said why other then non standard. Valve doesn't look though every eula to see if its ok or not. There is no reason for them to do that.

If you find a EULA that that is illegal, tell Valve via steam support or the report button on the games page. just don't expect a response or anything to happen fast. Or sue the game publishers of the game. A number of people have been successful doing this because of the EULAs, but a larger number have basically been laughed out of the lawyers office and/or been charged a WHOLE lot of money.

99.999999999999% of people that have or ever will use Steam to play games, will never have any issue where they bump up against the EULA. I'm pretty sure that number is actually higher.


So what was it that got you all hot and bothered about EULAs in the first place? Seriously, it might actually help convince us that something like this is needed or that at the very least Valve should be looking at all the EULAs.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by Chay Gaspurr:

@Gwarsbane thank you for your concern, but maybe I didn't make myself clear.

I know every game has a EULA. However, most games have only what you might call a "standard" EULA. Other games (mostly 3rd-party) have an additional EULA.

It's that additional EULA that I want (dare I say "need") to filter out.

Steam offers hundreds of new games every month, any help to shorten that list is welcome.

Yeah and that's pretty much the norm. If ytou edit those out you'll basically be looking at the same 100 or so titles of dubious quality. EVery developer and publisher has their own EULA boilerplate that they use because it's safer than relying on the retailers overarching EULA which can change. IT also maeans you have the same EULA regardless of the distributor.

[Chay Gaspurr]

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

Valve would have no idea...

I have to disagree. They clearly have a code that makes "extra" EULAs appear on the game's store page. It would be as simple as targetting game pages that make those extra EULA links appear.

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

Seriously, you are blowing this way out of proportion...

With all due respect, you are projecting. As far as I can tell you're the only one on this thread that's seems seriously concerned about the inclusion of such an innocent filter. Besides, all I did was simply post a suggestion on Valve's suggestion forum. I never anticipated that there would be anyone so worked up over a mere suggestion.

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

So what was it that got you all hot and bothered about EULAs in the first place?

As I said, you're projecting. I merely made a suggestion in what I thought was the appropriate forum (given the name "Suggestion / Ideas" that I read at the top). Whether the people from Valve accept and implement my suggestion was always out of my hands. Some of the people who replied, however -- namely you -- seem to be far more "hot and bothered" by my suggestion. And I fail to see why it bothers you so much, since it wouldn't hurt any user. Only help those who want to use said filter.

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

Seriously, it might actually help convince us that something like this is needed or that at the very least Valve should be looking at all the EULAs.

I was under the impression that the suggestion forum was specifically to offer suggestions and ideas to Valve, not to convince random users. Or do you work for Valve? I honestly don't know if you are a representative of theirs.

[Chay Gaspurr]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

If ytou edit those out you'll basically be looking at the same 100 or so titles of dubious quality.

Thank you for your concern, but I've double checked and that is not really true. The large majority of games I've browsed (several hundreds, at this point) don't have any extra EULA. In fact, it's the minority that seems to have them. Granted I've only looked at games that interest me, not the entire Steam library, but there are clearly a lot more than "100" games that don't have any extra EULA on their store page, and none of which I would call of "dubious quality" (although those probably don't have them either, which is fine).

But even if the number of filtered games was small, that's hardly a convincing argument to avoid the filter I suggested. The only logical concerns would be if it's technically possible to implement, and simple to do. Those are the only two reasons I see as relevant.

And I still hope to see someone actually from Valve say something about this. Do they ever post here?

[JPMcMillen]

Originally posted by Chay Gaspurr:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

If ytou edit those out you'll basically be looking at the same 100 or so titles of dubious quality.

Thank you for your concern, but I've double checked and that is not really true. The large majority of games I've browsed (several hundreds, at this point) don't have any extra EULA. In fact, it's the minority that seems to have them. Granted I've only looked at games that interest me, not the entire Steam library, but there are clearly a lot more than "100" games that don't have any extra EULA on their store page, and none of which I would call of "dubious quality" (although those probably don't have them either, which is fine).

But even if the number of filtered games was small, that's hardly a convincing argument to avoid the filter I suggested. The only logical concerns would be if it's technically possible to implement, and simple to do. Those are the only two reasons I see as relevant.

And I still hope to see someone actually from Valve say something about this. Do they ever post here?

They do look at the suggestions, but they never, NEVER, post.

The main problem is that Valve would actually have to have people read through all those extra EULA's to see if there is any difference before they would add them to some sort of filtered list. Many of those EULA's may not contain anything different from what you had already agreed to just by using Steam.

For the most part it's up to the individual user to read any and all EULA's and decide whether they want to agree with them or not. If you don't, just ask for a refund. Seeing that you would have to agree before playing the game you should be well under the 2 hour playtime limit for refunds.