Windows 10 on ARM Support?

[AskrHinnRauthi1848]

It seems that new computers are coming out that are going to have way better battery life and run on ARM procesors [www.theverge.com] . It would be great to know that Steam will have support from Day 1 for these computers to play CS:Go and Civ VI.

I plan to get one to replace my Lenovo T420. Knowing tha Steam will run and that applications will be updated for ARM support will be great!

[Omega]

I highly doubt that Steam will support ARM for a couple of reasons:
1. ARM CPUs perform terrible compared to x86_64 so they are suited for gaming at all.
2. We will then also need decent GPUs that are able to run in these ARM systems.
3. The games will also need to be ported to Windows on ARM, not only Steam.

If game devs had any interest in porting game to ARM you would have been able to play CSGO on your smart phone already.

These Windows ARM machines are simple netbooks, you can use them to browse the web and that is about it.

[HLCinSC]

So most existing Windows programs won't work on ARM running full Win 10 without being updated?

[Omega]

Originally posted by CharlestONE:

So most existing Windows programs won't work on ARM running full Win 10 without being updated?

Windows 10 on ARM is supposed to be able to run at least basic X86_64 programs via emulation.

But why would you want to run your games on ARM? Those CPUs have very little processing power. None of your games will run on ARM even if they are ported, ARM focuses on energy efficiency and not processing power like X86_64.

[HLCinSC]

Originally posted by Omega:

Originally posted by CharlestONE:

So most existing Windows programs won't work on ARM running full Win 10 without being updated?

Windows 10 on ARM is supposed to be able to run at least basic X86_64 programs via emulation.

But why would you want to run your games on ARM? Those CPUs have very little processing power. None of your games will run on ARM even if they are ported, ARM focuses on energy efficiency and not processing power like X86_64.

I wasn't sure if it was native or emulated so thanks for that info, but I was thinking of the Steam program itself. It could be useful as a streaming device for instance.

[Sticky Honeybuns]

Omega nailed it!

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

If you wanted to game on a laptop, why not get a normal laptop??? Do you need it to be a laptop? What's your budget?

Originally posted by Sticky Honeybuns:

Omega nailed it!

Yes.

[Omega]

Originally posted by CharlestONE:

Originally posted by Omega:

Windows 10 on ARM is supposed to be able to run at least basic X86_64 programs via emulation.

But why would you want to run your games on ARM? Those CPUs have very little processing power. None of your games will run on ARM even if they are ported, ARM focuses on energy efficiency and not processing power like X86_64.

I wasn't sure if it was native or emulated so thanks for that info, but I was thinking of the Steam program itself. It could be useful as a streaming device for instance.

Do you mean you want to watch streams or use it as a dedicated streaming device? I think you can watch Steam streams in the browser, but I could be wrong. Twitch will probably also work fine on those machines.

I doubt ARM is even powerfull enough to be used as a dedicated streaming machine. And also these ARM laptops will probably be more expensive then a simple Pentium G PC which will have (I based this number upon absolutely nothing) 10x the processing power while costing half.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Originally posted by Omega:

Originally posted by CharlestONE:

I wasn't sure if it was native or emulated so thanks for that info, but I was thinking of the Steam program itself. It could be useful as a streaming device for instance.

Do you mean you want to watch streams or use it as a dedicated streaming device? I think you can watch Steam streams in the browser, but I could be wrong. Twitch will probably also work fine on those machines.

I doubt ARM is even powerfull enough to be used as a dedicated streaming machine. And also these ARM laptops will probably be more expensive then a simple Pentium G PC which will have (I based this number upon absolutely nothing) 10x the processing power while costing half.

Yes you can watch streams from Steam on the browser, but I wouldn't know how that will work out if he wants to watch it from the client. But gaming will be limited, I say he can play facebook games, or whatever HTML5 games, and such, but when it comes to playing games such as CS:GO, TF2, or whatever, that where he will run into issues, and isn't worth trying to do something for, also streaming with the ARM-laptop is possible, but doing more than what it can handle is another thing, which in this case he will not be able to play games, and stream.

[HLCinSC]

Originally posted by Omega:

Originally posted by CharlestONE:

I wasn't sure if it was native or emulated so thanks for that info, but I was thinking of the Steam program itself. It could be useful as a streaming device for instance.

Do you mean you want to watch streams or use it as a dedicated streaming device? I think you can watch Steam streams in the browser, but I could be wrong. Twitch will probably also work fine on those machines.

I doubt ARM is even powerfull enough to be used as a dedicated streaming machine. And also these ARM laptops will probably be more expensive then a simple Pentium G PC which will have (I based this number upon absolutely nothing) 10x the processing power while costing half.

Yeah I was talking about using it as in-home streaming device like you can with low-end Windows devices like a notebook using a pentium or an htpc. I didn't realize the ARM processors are so underpowered compared to similarly priced traditional x86_64cpu's from intel and amd.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Originally posted by CharlestONE:

Originally posted by Omega:

Do you mean you want to watch streams or use it as a dedicated streaming device? I think you can watch Steam streams in the browser, but I could be wrong. Twitch will probably also work fine on those machines.

I doubt ARM is even powerfull enough to be used as a dedicated streaming machine. And also these ARM laptops will probably be more expensive then a simple Pentium G PC which will have (I based this number upon absolutely nothing) 10x the processing power while costing half.

Yeah I was talking about using it as in-home streaming device like you can with low-end Windows devices like a notebook using a pentium or an htpc. I didn't realize the ARM processors are so underpowered compared to similarly priced traditional x86_64cpu's from intel and amd.

ARM isn't on the same level as AMD, or Intel for processing power, they will lose outright to them guaranteed.

[Cathulhu]

ARM wins in terms of energy efficiency though. Not that it helps with gaming.
Windows 10 ARM will run x86 code, true. But do not expect any kind of gaming on it. Besides UWP apps running native ARM code.

[Astraea Kisaragi]

A cheap and for gaming completly underperforming AMD A4 has 4x more processing power as the most expensive high-end ARM processors.

Built for different purproses, a too high power CPU in a mobile phone would suck down the battery in no time.

[vadim]

Originally posted by eric1848:

It would be great to know that Steam will have support from Day 1 for these computers to play CS:Go and Civ VI.

This will never happpen.

[x_wing]

Steamlink has an arm cpu inside so yes, they can handle streaming. In fact, a dude of my work fund an kickstarter and got an arm notebook (he installed Arch Linux on it). The SoC was able to reproduce 4k video and handle multimedia a web browsing without problems.

Maybe ARM CPUs are far away from Intel top end, but I'm confident that a high end SoC can be superior than any low end system with pentium or celeron CPUs.

[Mossy Snake]

Originally posted by x_wing:

Steamlink has an arm cpu inside so yes, they can handle streaming. In fact, a dude of my work fund an kickstarter and got an arm notebook (he installed Arch Linux on it). The SoC was able to reproduce 4k video and handle multimedia a web browsing without problems.

Maybe ARM CPUs are far away from Intel top end, but I'm confident that a high end SoC can be superior than any low end system with pentium or celeron CPUs.

You do realize that games almost never support the ARM instruction set, correct? The only things you could play are mobile ports and W10 Minecraft, as they support the instruction set.

It's not about who develops the processor, it's about what the processor does.