Allow shop-wide filtering by tags

[StratoFly]

Let me tell my story.
I really not fond of anime games, especially with sexual content ("visual novels"). Let me be straight - i hate them. I feel bad when I see them in my suggestions. Luckily there is a filter by tags for suggestions, where I can exclude necessary tags.
However there is still not-filtered shop here... It wasn't a problem a year ago, but today nearly half of "upcoming" and "new and trending" tops consist of low quality, poorly done anime games with "nudity" and "sexual content", sometimes even with non-translated japanese title. It makes these tops useless for me. It was a good way to find and track games to buy, but now it's impossible and annoying.
Please, make shop-wide filtering, so I can select which games are ABSOLUTELY not interesting for me and I'll NEVER buy them, so you can put another game to this place and increase your chances to sell it to me.

Sorry, if I hurt someone.

Thanks.

[Dakuwan]

"Buh buh but, guns... And violence"

[Grand Captain Speedy Dash]

I was actually just about to come and ask this, but to try and get it so it doesn't show me any MMOs since I hate MMOs.

Another thing is they should let you add a layer where you can choose for it only to suggest games with certain combination of tags, I say this because I play a decently large variety of game which makes it suggest almost every game on steam because just I play enough different games that it thinks I like all the tags.

[Tito Shivan]

https://store.steampowered.com/account/preferences/

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=496634447

TL;DR when doing a search, put negative numbers in front of tag codes you don't like.

You should only really be using the search feature anyway ... anything else is sort of a waste of time trying to depend on Steam's automated recs.

[Gold]

Tito preferences don't do squat. Just today they released the stupid "episodic" anime crap for the crunchy roll launch. My preferences are all listed as from no visual novel's , anime, vr, episodic ect. I still see this crap all over the store page.

I am still seeing movies, vr, anime, and episodic stuff even though I will never buy the stuff here. So every time one of you link to that thing it is no help at all. I even have videos and software ticked off and still run into those some how.

So what next, is there a second link you can post that will acctualy help?

These threads wouldn't be a thing if this platform didn't keep forcing crap that people don't want down their throats. I come here to play games, not watch movies or anime. I love that you guys add choice for people. However there is no choice for the people that only come here for games.

Preferences are not a filter. People want filters.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Escrito originalmente por Royal:

Tito preferences don't do squat. Just today they released the stupid "episodic" anime crap for the crunchy roll launch. My preferences are all listed as from no visual novel's , anime, vr, episodic ect. I still see this crap all over the store page.

I am still seeing movies, vr, anime, and episodic stuff even though I will never buy the stuff here. So every time one of you link to that thing it is no help at all. I even have videos and software ticked off and still run into those some how.

So what next, is there a second link you can post that will acctualy help?

These threads wouldn't be a thing if this platform didn't keep forcing crap that people don't want down their throats. I come here to play games, not watch movies or anime. I love that you guys add choice for people. However there is no choice for the people that only come here for games.

Preferences are not a filter. People want filters.

How the hell do you even run into anime (as in, actual anime series, not just the "Anime" tag)? I can't even run into it.

Given that anime episodes are a whole nother product type, I think you may be neglecting an existing filter feature somewhere.

[username12121]

Escrito originalmente por Royal:

Tito preferences don't do squat. Just today they released the stupid "episodic" anime crap for the crunchy roll launch. My preferences are all listed as from no visual novel's , anime, vr, episodic ect. I still see this crap all over the store page.

I am still seeing movies, vr, anime, and episodic stuff even though I will never buy the stuff here. So every time one of you link to that thing it is no help at all. I even have videos and software ticked off and still run into those some how.

So what next, is there a second link you can post that will acctualy help?

These threads wouldn't be a thing if this platform didn't keep forcing crap that people don't want down their throats. I come here to play games, not watch movies or anime. I love that you guys add choice for people. However there is no choice for the people that only come here for games.

Preferences are not a filter. People want filters.

This is correct.

Preferences have only a limited effect, AND only on the front page of the store, and associated front page features such as recommendations and queues.

The OP even asked for "shop-wide" filtering. Preferences are not shop wide.

Valve have completely gone to sleep on the notion that some or many potential customers would like to use a comprehensive system of filters to browse the whole store. Considering the many thousands of different products available (are we approaching 20,000 games now?....who even knows any more) that should be ringing alarm bells for someone in the company, but it seems not.

If I may make a simple example:

Today I feel like buying a game, but I don't know what. I think I'd like an action game, so I click on Action under "browse by genre" and am shown a limited selection of action games (which is sorta weird...I want to see them all). Luckily I know to scroll down a bit and find the "see all action" button. When I press that I now have a list of (currently) 15,234 games. Wow, but that's too many games to idly browse through over the next 20 or 30 minutes.

I notice that lots of these games are 2d games, while others are platformers, and yet others are in Early Access (even though I have told the preferences page I don't want to see Early Access). I don't want to buy any of those. If only I could filter those out I could reduce the size of this massive list of games and be left with a shorter list of games I'm more likely to want to buy. Sadly we all know where this is going. Nobody has time to browse through the store until proper functioning filters are in place and a complete rethink of the user tags feature happens.

Escrito originalmente por Quint, Queen of the Giant Rabbit:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=496634447

TL;DR when doing a search, put negative numbers in front of tag codes you don't like.

You should only really be using the search feature anyway ... anything else is sort of a waste of time trying to depend on Steam's automated recs.

Agreed, this is probably the only part solution to the problem but the following points should be added:

1. To my knowledge it can't be done using the Steam client, you must use an external browser.

2. You need to know all those different numbers that represent tags, and you need to know a bit about manipulating URLs. This could hardly be called user friendly, and despite my reading the guide and attempting to employ this method, it sadly escapes my earlier 20th century sensibility.

3. It still won't work for Early access which is annoying. It's quite time consuming to have to click on every game or try to bring up the tooltip for each one to find out if a game is in Early Access.....while we're on tooltips, half the time they show up , they're half off-screen so you can't read them anyway.

I could go on and on about how poorly the whole steam client/store browsing thing works...and that's yet another disappointment. C'mon Valve, turn up to work occasionally please. Fix this stuff.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Escrito originalmente por username12121:

Escrito originalmente por Quint, Queen of the Giant Rabbit:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=496634447

TL;DR when doing a search, put negative numbers in front of tag codes you don't like.

You should only really be using the search feature anyway ... anything else is sort of a waste of time trying to depend on Steam's automated recs.

Agreed, this is probably the only part solution to the problem but the following points should be added:

1. To my knowledge it can't be done using the Steam client, you must use an external browser.

2. You need to know all those different numbers that represent tags, and you need to know a bit about manipulating URLs. This could hardly be called user friendly, and despite my reading the guide and attempting to employ this method, it sadly escapes my earlier 20th century sensibility.

3. It still won't work for Early access which is annoying. It's quite time consuming to have to click on every game or try to bring up the tooltip for each one to find out if a game is in Early Access.....while we're on tooltips, half the time they show up , they're half off-screen so you can't read them anyway.

I could go on and on about how poorly the whole steam client/store browsing thing works...and that's yet another disappointment. C'mon Valve, turn up to work occasionally please. Fix this stuff.

1. Why would anyone use the Steam client browser? I don't use it if I can avoid it.

2. It's pretty simple.

For example:
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=597 <-- a search for all Casual games.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=-597 <-- a search for everything but Casual games.

In short:
1) Apply the tag you don't want.
2) Change the URL to put a negative sign in front of the number. (If you see a "%2C", that's not part of the number; it's just a comma.)

You won't see the tags show up as excluded, unlike how you'll see the tags show up on the search page when they're included. But they're excluded.

Add tags as you see fit. If you want something that's not Anime and not Visual Novel, for example,
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4085%2C3799 <-- both Anime and Visual Novel
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=-4085%2C-3799 <-- neither Anime nor Visual Novel

That said, yeah, Valve should really just make an official UI for this.

3. And make it work with Early Access too, of course.

[username12121]

Escrito originalmente por Quint, Queen of the Giant Rabbit:

Escrito originalmente por username12121:

Agreed, this is probably the only part solution to the problem but the following points should be added:

1. To my knowledge it can't be done using the Steam client, you must use an external browser.

2. You need to know all those different numbers that represent tags, and you need to know a bit about manipulating URLs. This could hardly be called user friendly, and despite my reading the guide and attempting to employ this method, it sadly escapes my earlier 20th century sensibility.

3. It still won't work for Early access which is annoying. It's quite time consuming to have to click on every game or try to bring up the tooltip for each one to find out if a game is in Early Access.....while we're on tooltips, half the time they show up , they're half off-screen so you can't read them anyway.

I could go on and on about how poorly the whole steam client/store browsing thing works...and that's yet another disappointment. C'mon Valve, turn up to work occasionally please. Fix this stuff.

1. Why would anyone use the Steam client browser? I don't use it if I can avoid it.

2. It's pretty simple.

For example:
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=597 <-- a search for all Casual games.
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=-597 <-- a search for everything but Casual games.

In short:
1) Apply the tag you don't want.
2) Change the URL to put a negative sign in front of the number. (If you see a "%2C", that's not part of the number; it's just a comma.)

You won't see the tags show up as excluded, unlike how you'll see the tags show up on the search page when they're included. But they're excluded.

Add tags as you see fit. If you want something that's not Anime and not Visual Novel, for example,
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=4085%2C3799 <-- both Anime and Visual Novel
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?tags=-4085%2C-3799 <-- neither Anime nor Visual Novel

That said, yeah, Valve should really just make an official UI for this.

3. And make it work with Early Access too, of course.

Thanks Quint, for as always being helpful and attempting to show people how to make lemonade from lemons.

In answer to question 1, yeah, I know I might be just being a bit stubborn, but I figure that on top of the fact that I'm forced to have the Steam client on my computer, the client is the virtual representation of how Valve treat me as a customer, and for their 30% cut of the hundreds of games I've bought, I expect their client to perform to my standards (to work) and not to have to use an alternative.

I suspect that if I was able to corner an elusive Valve employee and ask them, even though they may secretly think otherwise, they would most likely publicly state that I am a valued customer, and on that basis, I claim the right to make certain requests about how their store functions and I expect them to listen and consider these requests. I don't consider that what I ask them to fix is in any way unreasonable, and if they felt otherwise, I'd be more than happy to listen to them as they attempt to explain why.

Again thanks for helping with point 2, but ermm, what was that bit after "It's pretty simple" again? (But really, just see my justification for my stubborness re point 1.)

(EDIT..also, I don't see why it ought to be the customer going to this extra trouble just so that we can spend more of our money in the Steam store....it's clearly in their interests to fix this themselves)

3. Yup.

[ReamedBySteem]

How about an option to turn off 'recommended' and 'discovery' queues. I dgaf what you think I like steam or about what you're f*king recommending.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Escrito originalmente por ReamedBySteem:

How about an option to turn off 'recommended' and 'discovery' queues. I dgaf what you think I like steam or about what you're f*king recommending.

...what exactly would turning off those mean?

If you want Steam to stop customizing your store page to your tastes (or what Steam thinks it is), you can always log out or open up a different browser that's not logged in to Steam.

Though I agree it'd be nice if there were a button for "don't customize the store for me".

As for the Queue...isn't that a whole separate webpage? Like, if you don't click on it you won't go to it automatically.