Walter das Trevas eredeti hozzászólása:

Zetikla eredeti hozzászólása:

sorry, not gonna happen in a PUBLIC FORUM, that isnt your personal soapbox where you can silence opinions you dont like to hear







How come the majority of people demanding it usually show a very toxic attitude themselves?

see the irony with this?

Point out where the toxicity of the comment is? Point out where the logic failed in my arguments.

I meant to say in general


My point stands still: you talk about an issue only brought up usually by the same people who really hate the simple fact that in life you dont get to scream at people who says contradictory things to STFU

Walter das Trevas eredeti hozzászólása:

Zetikla eredeti hozzászólása:

sorry, not gonna happen in a PUBLIC FORUM, that isnt your personal soapbox where you can silence opinions you dont like to hear







How come the majority of people demanding it usually show a very toxic attitude themselves?

see the irony with this?

Point out where the toxicity of the comment is? Point out where the logic failed in my arguments.
Only toxic users fear a "blocking" system.

strawman argument that doesnt hold any ground aka people who dont agree with me must be boogeymen themselves

Blocking posts on a public forum does not work. Perhaps you could provide a working solution? Cause I've yet to see one.

Matt eredeti hozzászólása:

Blocking posts on a public forum does not work. Perhaps you could provide a working solution? Cause I've yet to see one.

I will try to explain again:
I hypothetically created a topic to ask for help because I do not know "how to create a leather hat" in a sandbox game.

A minute later, a troll starts calling me an idiot, stupid, making jokes with "leather rings" or some other nonsense.

I come in, I realize it's trolling, and I leave again. Two minutes later he posts another trolling message. I come in, I realize it's the same idiot, and I leave again.



What I expect, and it seems logical to me:

After I suffer with trolling several times, when I'm sure the guy is troll, I click on the "block this user" option.

He will continue to participate in the topic I created, but instead of reading "Hey, you idiot, your leather ring has hemorrhoids," I will see the message "You chose not to read that user's post", and I will not get notices that the troll replied on my topic, I will not waste my time checking if the response was "help" or "offense.".

It does not prevent freedom of speech, it does not prevent the troll from participating, but it prevents direct harassment and offenses, because if I know it offends me, I will not have the slightest curiosity to read what he typed.

All the other 20 users who tried to help me with an answer will also continue to read the attacks against me, but as everyone knows, "what the eyes do not see the heart does not feel".

STEAM-VALVE: Stop protecting trolls and stop to demonize the victims, because you are suggesting that the victim person is a kind of "North Korean dictator trying to hinder freedom of speech.".

Walter das Trevas eredeti hozzászólása:

Why not? I see this option as a basic necessity in any social network.

You would think. It's a basic feature and makes for a better space. What service doesnt offer the ability to block someone who's harassing you. Simple feature every other service offers. Guess it would endanger the need for moderatirs.

Walter das Trevas eredeti hozzászólása:

After I suffer with trolling several times, when I'm sure the guy is troll, I click on the "block this user" option.

He will continue to participate in the topic I created, but instead of reading "Hey, you idiot, your leather ring has hemorrhoids," I will see the message "You chose not to read that user's post", and I will not get notices that the troll replied on my topic, I will not waste my time checking if the response was "help" or "offense.".

That does not work when you have a quote system:

A Troll's Post eredeti hozzászólása:

You can insert anything into the quote tag. If another user quotes the person that you block, then you'll see the blocked user's post in the other person's quote.

The old vBulletin forum (pre dates Steam Discussions) had this feature. It didn't work.

Matt eredeti hozzászólása:

Walter das Trevas eredeti hozzászólása:

After I suffer with trolling several times, when I'm sure the guy is troll, I click on the "block this user" option.

He will continue to participate in the topic I created, but instead of reading "Hey, you idiot, your leather ring has hemorrhoids," I will see the message "You chose not to read that user's post", and I will not get notices that the troll replied on my topic, I will not waste my time checking if the response was "help" or "offense.".

That does not work when you have a quote system:

A Troll's Post eredeti hozzászólása:

You can insert anything into the quote tag. If another user quotes the person that you block, then you'll see the blocked user's post in the other person's quote.

The old vBulletin forum (pre dates Steam Discussions) had this feature. It didn't work.

And is there no way to create a link between the quote and my personal setup?
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Nope, cuz the quote tag just parses free form text.

Plus, it's also possible to quote someone without using the quote tag...

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"And is there no way to create a link between the quote and my personal setup?"

Nope, cuz the quote tag just parses free form text.

Matt eredeti hozzászólása:

Nope, cuz the quote tag just parses free form text.

If this is really impossible, I agree with the other user: Change from "block all communication" to "Block private messages".

The point is, blocking on the forum is not as easy as meets the eye. But as soon as someone designs a working solution, I'd like to hear about it.

Matt eredeti hozzászólása:

The point is, blocking on the forum is not as easy as meets the eye. But as soon as someone designs a working solution, I'd like to hear about it.

It's a shame that not all indie games have active moderators.
Thanks for explaining in detail.

I still think a block/mute feature would be useful even if it didn't work with quotes. "Not useful" isn't the same thing as "not perfect".

Spawn of Totoro eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, accounts on steam are free, so the user can just create more that you will see and have to block again.

That's also true of the "block all communication" feature.

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

I still think a block/mute feature would be useful even if it didn't work with quotes. "Not useful" isn't the same thing as "not perfect".

Spawn of Totoro eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, accounts on steam are free, so the user can just create more that you will see and have to block again.

That's also true of the "block all communication" feature.

Huh, I was just about to say that. Although it could work with the quote markup pretty easily, if the markup works the way I suspect it does. The rawtext of a quote reads, for example, "quote=Spawn of Totoro;". I am not a programmer, despite knowing the tiniest bit about code, but it seems a simple if loop comparing between the quote= and the ; to the users blocklist would do the job. Might get a bit slow though if the blocklist is particuliarly long.

Doesn't help if the quote doesn't use the markup, or against alternate accounts, but there's nothing that I've even heard of that would work against either of those.

Gus the Crocodile eredeti hozzászólása:

I still think a block/mute feature would be useful even if it didn't work with quotes. "Not useful" isn't the same thing as "not perfect".

Spawn of Totoro eredeti hozzászólása:

Also, accounts on steam are free, so the user can just create more that you will see and have to block again.

That's also true of the "block all communication" feature.

Yes, I agree: "something" is infinitely better than "nothing".

If the troll post is not part of the topic context, it is unlikely that someone will use a quote, and if the guy who "quote" is a "troll friend" and uses the quote to attack me, I can simply block the 2 trolls.
Again: "something" is better than "nothing".

Rainwatcher eredeti hozzászólása:

Huh, I was just about to say that. Although it could work with the quote markup pretty easily, if the markup works the way I suspect it does. The rawtext of a quote reads, for example, "quote=Spawn of Totoro;". I am not a programmer, despite knowing the tiniest bit about code, but it seems a simple if loop comparing between the quote= and the ; to the users blocklist would do the job. Might get a bit slow though if the blocklist is particuliarly long.

Doesn't help if the quote doesn't use the markup, or against alternate accounts, but there's nothing that I've even heard of that would work against either of those.

Display names aren't unique, so I don't think it'd be a good idea to match on them. But the number after the name appears to be a post ID (its presence allows you to click the name in the quote to go to the post), so if the devs wanted to, they could probably use that to look up the author and match that to the list.

If people type quote tags themselves, they don't include the number so it obviously wouldn't work there. That's probably not a super-frequent behaviour though; I do it sometimes, not sure about anyone else. Nobody in this thread has (other than Matt's constructed example quote), for one quick at-a-glance sample.