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Jaunty 9 ABR 2017 a las 7:39
Australian Flag & Aboriginal/Indigenous Flag
Hi there I feel like Steam is very ahead of the curve and was just wondering if it was possible to get the Aboriginal/Indigenous flag next to the Australian one on my profile out of respect. Or atleast add it as a localised emote if thats possible...

I always feel like the Australian one by itself always reflects a racist tone and is direspectful. Now be warned this may cause people to become disgruntled if implemented. Given our current governement its quite clear Australia is a racist country unfortunately despite our excellent history and culture of multiculturalism. It is often used in high profile official speeches that we acknoledge the owners of the land and our indigenous people are so downtrodden in society I just feel like adding the flag would give greater respect and people pride when using this platform. You could make the argument that it would be upto our country to change our flag but thats not how these things work it takes great courgae of individuals to stand up for whats right etc etc...

Also anyone wanting to comment I will be subscribed to this discussion so please be patient and I will reply as soon as I can.

Sincerely from Morgan
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The Jagji 3 MAY 2017 a las 5:34 
Publicado originalmente por Jaunty:
We will be a republic eventually, I guess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism_in_Australia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Sorry_Day

Yes, becuse republic is totaly going to be better...
Jaunty 3 MAY 2017 a las 6:15 
Publicado originalmente por The Wizzard Jagji:

Yes, becuse republic is totaly going to be better...

Well thats new some sneering foolhardy sarcasm. Thanks for keeping to the topic, being constructive, empathetic, and suggesting ways this might be applicable; I guess. :beatmeat:

Guys of course Steam is not gonna come around to this but a man can dream cant he. I mean I am not even PoC but I feel threatened by racism etc etc read my statements already made.

I mean the simplest thing is that you can choose your own flag but none of you suggested anything reomtely like that cause heaven forbid that would be progress. Peace.
Última edición por Jaunty; 3 MAY 2017 a las 6:15
76109108007942031 3 MAY 2017 a las 6:37 
Publicado originalmente por Jaunty:
Publicado originalmente por The Wizzard Jagji:

Yes, becuse republic is totaly going to be better...

Well thats new some sneering foolhardy sarcasm. Thanks for keeping to the topic, being constructive, empathetic, and suggesting ways this might be applicable; I guess. :beatmeat:

Guys of course Steam is not gonna come around to this but a man can dream cant he. I mean I am not even PoC but I feel threatened by racism etc etc read my statements already made.

I mean the simplest thing is that you can choose your own flag but none of you suggested anything reomtely like that cause heaven forbid that would be progress. Peace.
I said that I wouldn't mind them adding the flag, it's just the part about putting it next to the Australian flag that seems weird.
Jaunty 3 MAY 2017 a las 6:45 
Publicado originalmente por Sir Illic:
I said that I wouldn't mind them adding the flag, it's just the part about putting it next to the Australian flag that seems weird.

Yeh sorry about that. Good point.
76109108007942031 3 MAY 2017 a las 6:46 
Publicado originalmente por Jaunty:
Publicado originalmente por Sir Illic:
I said that I wouldn't mind them adding the flag, it's just the part about putting it next to the Australian flag that seems weird.

Yeh sorry about that. Good point.
No harm done.
Publicado originalmente por Gus the Crocodile:
Publicado originalmente por Insanity Wolf-Chan:
I am not indigenous, so why should I have a flag that doesn't have anything to do with me on my profile just because I live here too?
I know right? Imagine being told you're now to be represented by an image you had no connection to!

I hope the irony of your objection isn't lost on you.

I'm a citizen of the country of Australia. Indigenous Australians are ALSO citizens of the country of Australia. That is what the flag represents. The indigenous Australians are more than welcome to sue for independence and form their own state with their own established government. And when that happens, they get to have their own national flag.

Not a single drop of blood need be wasted on it. We're a democracy now. You have the right to be independent if you agree upon it as a people. It would be a long and arduous process, sure, but it can be done, and it sure as ♥♥♥♥ beats shooting at one another until one side gives in. (Especially since we'd be shooting back with tanks and intercontinental missiles)

Publicado originalmente por Insanity Wolf-Chan:
Thirdly, I abhor your notion that the Australian flag is a racist symbol. The Australian flag is a symbol of our allegiance to Great Britain who, let us not forget, started the whole "Slavery is bad" movement.
Wow, yeah no, stop. You're trying to sell the virtues of Britain's attitude to black people in a discussion where you yourself acknowledge the tragedies of British colonialism in Australia. How well do you think that's going to go down? What is it supposed to accomplish? I'm not sure "Britain thought slavery was bad" would be all that reassuring to those whose entire peoples were killed or those who were forcefully removed from their families.

The fact that the flag is specifically a symbol of our allegiance to Britain, and Britain alone, is precisely why it's a racist symbol. Tens of thousands of years of civilisation here before it was invaded by the British, but nevermind that, we've gotta make sure to get that British symbol on there!

The colonial era was a ♥♥♥♥ show driven by Great Britain's hatred and competition with the French and the Spanish. But that was hundreds of years ago. Yes, there is blood on the Union Jack, but that blood is all scabby and brown and it's about time somebody cleaned that ♥♥♥♥ off with a damp cloth already.

European Australians are more than willing to bury the hatchet. You can ask any "White" Australian whether they think the fact that Europeans came over here, decided that the entire continent belonged to them, then decided to "unsavagafy" the natives was a good thing, and I can guarantee you that almost all of them will say "♥♥♥♥ that ♥♥♥♥" and the few who say that it WAS a good thing to do will unanimously be called a ♥♥♥♥ by the rest of us.

This whole "Indigenous Australians and European Australians are two completely different people," ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is the driving force of a lot of social tension in our country. Maybe not in the East Coast, but I live in Darwin, and over here a "white fella" and a "black fella" (Those are terms used over here, I ♥♥♥♥ you not! And people in Vic thought "Aboriginal" was racist) can't walk past each other on the street without glaring at one another.

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Do not get me wrong, I am (mildly) receptive to the idea of Indigenous Australia having their own flag, since the flag doesn't actually mean anything at the end of the day, it's just a thing they have on your profile.

However, I do NOT want it to be part of the Australian flag. People have the right to association in this country, but people ALSO have the right NOT to be associated.

The Indigenous Australian Flag is something I do not want to be associated with. People might get the wrong idea about me and assume I'm an Indigenous Australian or something. People already get the wrong idea about me because of my avatar.

If the Indigenous Australian flag was going to be included, it would have to be listed as its own separate country, same with the Torres Strait Islander Flag.
Última edición por Smugass Braixen-Chan; 3 MAY 2017 a las 21:25
Gus the Crocodile 3 MAY 2017 a las 21:31 
Publicado originalmente por Insanity Wolf-Chan:
European Australians are more than willing to bury the hatchet.
Luckily you don't speak for "European Australians", because I'm not seeing a lot of willingness here. Can't stomach even symbolic inclusion of a culture that was here for tens of thousands of years.

Publicado originalmente por Insanity Wolf-Chan:
Yes, there is blood on the Union Jack, but that blood is all scabby and brown and it's about time somebody cleaned that♥♥♥♥♥♥off with a damp cloth already.
Yeah, Britain is the real victim here. Won't somebody think of the British??

Publicado originalmente por Insanity Wolf-Chan:
Do not get me wrong, I am (mildly) receptive to the idea of Indigenous Australia having their own flag, since the flag doesn't actually mean anything at the end of the day, it's just a thing they have on your profile.
"Flags don't mean anything", says the person strenuously insisting nobody bring an Aboriginal flag near them.

Publicado originalmente por Insanity Wolf-Chan:
The Indigenous Australian Flag is something I do not want to be associated with. People might get the wrong idea about me and assume I'm an Indigenous Australian or something.
How horrible.

Look, I don't really care if you don't want to be represented by the Aboriginal flag. That's fine. If I were designing the system I'd just let people pick the flag - or any number of flags - that they want to represent themselves with. But jesus, the way the Aboriginal flag puts people on the defensive is indicative that our country has a long way to go in addressing this stuff.
Jaunty 4 MAY 2017 a las 2:18 
Just a little reminder that democracy is complex: "Democracy in Australia. The Australian political system is in some ways democratic, and in some ways not. The relationship between Prime Minister, Parliament and electorate seems to me the most democratic part of the system. The undemocratic features include bicameralism, federalism, monarchy, oligarchic media, unrefined education system and some others." :ftd_golem:
Última edición por Jaunty; 4 MAY 2017 a las 3:18
I don't "want the Aboriginal Flag near me," as Gus said, because it is a race flag, and I find the idea of identifying oneself by the color of their skin somewhat lacking in taste. And maybe the reason I hold that opinion is because I myself am unable to identify with any one race, who knows.

If there was a flag for Australians who are white, or a flag for Australians who were Asian, I would be just as put off by those.

But people have the right to fly what ever flag they want. Just as I have the right not to.

In other words: the Aboriginal Flag should be an option, but it should not be forced upon everybody who just happens to be an Australian, which is what the OP was suggesting.
Última edición por Smugass Braixen-Chan; 4 MAY 2017 a las 3:20
Jaunty 4 MAY 2017 a las 3:28 
I am not gonna reinstate anything cause I feel like everything that needs to be said has been said but perhaps I didnt think that through the logistics of the UI in customising your flag should perhaps be a simple drop down menu or in settings I mean we could even have the rainbow flag etc

TLDR: Thank you for clarifying your point Wolf-Chan I can definetly see what you mean and once again I thank you :happyBUD:
Shark Bait 4 MAY 2017 a las 3:29 
Publicado originalmente por Jaunty:
I am not gonna reinstate anything cause I feel like everything that needs to be said has been said but perhaps I didnt think that through the logistics of the UI in customising your flag should perhaps be a simple drop down menu or in settings I mean we could even have the rainbow flag etc

TLDR: Thank you for clarifying your point Wolf-Chan I can definetly see what you mean and once again I thank you :happyBUD:
sounds like, to me, we're turning Steam into Facebook and some social media app
Jaunty 4 MAY 2017 a las 3:31 
Publicado originalmente por Pousini:
sounds like, to me, we're turning Steam into Facebook and some social media app
Hahaha lets not go there shall we :meatytears: thats just another whole can of worms lol.
I got banned from Facebook because I didn't give them my personal private information.
Shark Bait 4 MAY 2017 a las 5:42 
Publicado originalmente por Insanity Wolf-Chan:
I got banned from Facebook because I didn't give them my personal private information.
hasn't happened to me
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