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Sheppy 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 1:54
3rd Party Invasive Anti-Cheat Software
So I've made my peace with VAC, it seems to work fine I don't know how bad it is, and how invasive it is to my privacy but I just hope a big company like valve couldn't get away with something shady here. However I can also see if a game is VAC secure and could, if i wanted, not buy it. However recently "Battle Eye" started popping up again (most recently in one of my favourite game, Insurgency). Battle Eye was a software who's behaviour me and some friends once analysed in a virtual machine (before it was able to detect those and terminate itself, actually quite like a real maleware), it sends lot's of encrypted ♥♥♥♥ to it's server, much more than VAC and seems even more invasive, going as far as analysing my browserhistory.

For me, here i draw the line in the sand. It's inacceptable. So that means I can no longer play Insurgency in multiplayer, neither can anybody who choses not to install this anti-cheat-software-disguised-virus.

I think there should be a red warning box or a least a note on the side, so can steer of games using shady 3rd Party "anti-cheat" maleware. What do you think?
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logicbuster 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:01 
battle eye isn't malware your AV just sucks...
Sheppy 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:04 
My AV (actually lack of it) has nothing to do with it. I consider it maleware because of the behaviour it showed.
logicbuster 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:04 
it only runs when a game that uses it is running...
Sheppy 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:05 
引用自 bman001001
it only runs when a game that uses it is running...
How is that relevant? I have 100h on this game, enough time to upload my harddrive multiple times.
logicbuster 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:07 
引用自 Sheppard
引用自 bman001001
it only runs when a game that uses it is running...
How is that relevant? I have 100h on this game, enough time to upload my harddrive multiple times.
you played the game 100 hours?
Sheppy 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:12 
引用自 bman001001
引用自 Sheppard
How is that relevant? I have 100h on this game, enough time to upload my harddrive multiple times.
you played the game 100 hours?
Stay on Topic?
logicbuster 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:15 
引用自 Sheppard
引用自 bman001001
you played the game 100 hours?
Stay on Topic?
you dragged it off topic... with your hundred hours claim...
Sheppy 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:22 
lol you seem to be at least slightly retarded
logicbuster 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:27 
引用自 Sheppard
lol you seem to be at least slightly retarded
nope
Dendrobates Tinctorius 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:37 
引用自 Sheppard
Battle Eye was a software who's behaviour me and some friends once analysed in a virtual machine (before it was able to detect those and terminate itself, actually quite like a real maleware),
Not sure if I'd open with "so there I was trying to reverse engineer the anticheat", but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Doesn't VAC fail to authenticate if you attach a debugger or run it in a VM, though? Anti-reverse engineering is pretty common in security software, where, you know, part of the whole purpose of the software is making it hard to cheat.
logicbuster 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:44 
引用自 Sheppard
Battle Eye was a software who's behaviour me and some friends once analysed in a virtual machine (before it was able to detect those and terminate itself, actually quite like a real maleware),
Not sure if I'd open with "so there I was trying to reverse engineer the anticheat", but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Doesn't VAC fail to authenticate if you attach a debugger or run it in a VM, though? Anti-reverse engineering is pretty common in security software, where, you know, part of the whole purpose of the software is making it hard to cheat.
vac does not equal battle eye
Dendrobates Tinctorius 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 2:56 
引用自 bman001001
Not sure if I'd open with "so there I was trying to reverse engineer the anticheat", but hey, whatever floats your boat.

Doesn't VAC fail to authenticate if you attach a debugger or run it in a VM, though? Anti-reverse engineering is pretty common in security software, where, you know, part of the whole purpose of the software is making it hard to cheat.
vac does not equal battle eye
Yes, OP's post begins with what appears to be a statement that VAC isn't so bad:
引用自 Sheppard
So I've made my peace with VAC, it seems to work fine I don't know how bad it is, and how invasive it is to my privacy but I just hope a big company like valve couldn't get away with something shady here.
And later contrasts that with "maleware" features of battleye.

I suggest that VAC is just as "bad". Trying to make it hard for cheaters to figure out how to break anticheat is basically required of any anticheat.
[415]BlazeMcNight 2017 年 2 月 8 日 下午 4:01 
引用自 Sheppard
So I've made my peace with VAC, it seems to work fine I don't know how bad it is, and how invasive it is to my privacy but I just hope a big company like valve couldn't get away with something shady here. However I can also see if a game is VAC secure and could, if i wanted, not buy it. However recently "Battle Eye" started popping up again (most recently in one of my favourite game, Insurgency). Battle Eye was a software who's behaviour me and some friends once analysed in a virtual machine (before it was able to detect those and terminate itself, actually quite like a real maleware), it sends lot's of encrypted ♥♥♥♥ to it's server, much more than VAC and seems even more invasive, going as far as analysing my browserhistory.

For me, here i draw the line in the sand. It's inacceptable. So that means I can no longer play Insurgency in multiplayer, neither can anybody who choses not to install this anti-cheat-software-disguised-virus.

I think there should be a red warning box or a least a note on the side, so can steer of games using shady 3rd Party "anti-cheat" maleware. What do you think?

BattlEye isn't shady. A lot of extremely popular games use BattlEye.
AussieBobby 2017 年 2 月 16 日 上午 2:53 
Its the shady Devs using BattleEye as a cash cow
Take DayZ for instance,instead of fixing an exploit like Duping items they use BattlEye to ban for the abuse of the exploit .(This is according to the Devs and games forum so called Mods who are not taken seriously anymore.Id like to think they(BE) are not involved and the Devs are just spinning the usual BS to cover up their incompetents or unwillingness to solve this problem )

Sounds fair to rid games of players who abuse game mechanics,I have no problem with that.
Then you will have to buy the game again $$

But what if the same exploit/s have been in the game from 2012 to this very day while others have put an end to the same exploit/s long ago with their own anti cheats?
Incompetent devs or deliberately so to raise revenue?
Well its fixing exploits doesn't raise revenue.Ther's no money to be had by removing these exploit/s,buts there's alot more to be gained by leaving them there

Well don't cheat you say,I don't, but that's not stopping others from getting an unfair advantage from an exploit thats been deliberately left in the game to simply raise revenue.And this is totally different from using 3rd party software to again advantage


The other issue with BattleEye I have is that you can get banned from a game without them supplying any proofs/evidence that you did cheat
Cus we say so isn't proof
Now Punkbuster on the other hand will show as much evidence as they can,screen shots of aimbots, wallhacks ect.your ip.the game/match you were cheating in and you can see the KDs/score all on a wall of shame


Puts on Tinfoil hat
And with these anti cheats and what information are they gathering and where does it end up?,If we have to ask,its far to much
 KARR™ 2017 年 2 月 16 日 上午 5:22 
Of the thousands of people who constantly look at VAC and try to work out what it is doing and how it works and what has changed....

... the only time anyone has found anything questionable was about two years ago when they noticed it was reading through DNS entries. There was a lot of shouting and complaining until Gabe Newell went on Reddit and explained what it was doing in an attempt to try and STOP cheats.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1y70ej/valve_vac_and_trust/

Q&A
1) Do we send your browsing history to Valve? No.
2) Do we care what porn sites you visit? Oh, dear god, no. My brain just melted.
3) Is Valve using its market success to go evil? I don't think so, but you have to make the call if we are trustworthy. We try really hard to earn and keep your trust.

Aside from that one time, no-ones ever really raised big concerns over privacy invasions...
最後修改者: KARR™; 2017 年 2 月 16 日 上午 5:23
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