Next gen = better optimization?

[Dr. Gregory House, M.D.]

Now that both "next gen" consoles are here, (for the moment at least) their specs are nearly similar to PC. Does this mean we'll start seeing better optimization? Cuz honestly, I feel like my rig is pretty substantial, and I don't want to be held back by crap optimizing like ACIV... *shudder*

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Similar specs dont help when devs are too lazy to program decent PC compatible GUI and keyboard mapping.

[Dr. Gregory House, M.D.]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Rumpelcrutchskin:

Similar specs dont help when devs are too lazy to program decent PC compatible GUI and keyboard mapping.

How does porting work exactly? It can't be too dificult to the point where companies *coughcoughUBISOFTAC4coughcough* only utilize the game for 1 cpu core, or some other optimization.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

With console conversions the bad graphics bother me lot less then infernal console GUI's and keys you cant really map like you want to.

[senseidongen]

Początkowo opublikowane przez DomCobb1:

How does porting work exactly? It can't be too dificult to the point where companies *coughcoughUBISOFTAC4coughcough* only utilize the game for 1 cpu core, or some other optimization.

Say what?! Is this really true? I want to get AC IV for PC (AC is probably my all time favourite games series) but I am currently on an A10 APU (with plans to whack in a decent GPU when I have the time, money and space for a larger PC case) - Ubisoft themselves say, "It runs very well on low end machines" but if the optimisation is as bad as you imply, will I be shafted by optimisation issues?

[hatchet5891]

Początkowo opublikowane przez senseidongen:

Początkowo opublikowane przez DomCobb1:

How does porting work exactly? It can't be too dificult to the point where companies *coughcoughUBISOFTAC4coughcough* only utilize the game for 1 cpu core, or some other optimization.

Say what?! Is this really true? I want to get AC IV for PC (AC is probably my all time favourite games series) but I am currently on an A10 APU (with plans to whack in a decent GPU when I have the time, money and space for a larger PC case) - Ubisoft themselves say, "It runs very well on low end machines" but if the optimisation is as bad as you imply, will I be shafted by optimisation issues?

I personally think that ACIV working will depend on your rig. I have been playing with most high and a couple ultra settings and haven't had any problems. I know I will probably get a bunch of hate for my comment but I honestly am not having any issues with the game at all.

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

Nope, consoles are fixed hardware and they have their own special optimizations , pc is pc, endless variation to test for just to make sure it works, never mind optimization.

[Dr. Gregory House, M.D.]

Początkowo opublikowane przez senseidongen:

Początkowo opublikowane przez DomCobb1:

How does porting work exactly? It can't be too dificult to the point where companies *coughcoughUBISOFTAC4coughcough* only utilize the game for 1 cpu core, or some other optimization.

Say what?! Is this really true? I want to get AC IV for PC (AC is probably my all time favourite games series) but I am currently on an A10 APU (with plans to whack in a decent GPU when I have the time, money and space for a larger PC case) - Ubisoft themselves say, "It runs very well on low end machines" but if the optimisation is as bad as you imply, will I be shafted by optimisation issues?

OMG do not get it, at least until a sale. I don't recall the exact site but there was an atricle debunking the min specs. You can run it on a dual core, and the difference between a dual core and 4 core was 5fps. Even my rig is incapable of running it on medium settings with constant 60fps, and I'm running a 760

edit: Idk about lower end systems, but I'd still wait

Początkowo opublikowane przez MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Nope, consoles are fixed hardware and they have their own special optimizations , pc is pc, endless variation to test for just to make sure it works, never mind optimization.

Yeah but since consoles now have a more recent GPU and CPU, wouldn't games (For the time being at least) run better than unoptimized games from "last gen?"

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

Początkowo opublikowane przez DomCobb1:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Nope, consoles are fixed hardware and they have their own special optimizations , pc is pc, endless variation to test for just to make sure it works, never mind optimization.

Yeah but since consoles now have a more recent GPU and CPU, wouldn't games (For the time being at least) run better than unoptimized games from "last gen?"

Theres nothing better to run on the new gpu, the only real benefit is that the gpus are more modern and so have newer features, they are dx11 grade or whatever vs 9? So outside taking advantage of modern features, the consoles each are only interested in their own optimizations, they don't care about anyone else.

[Dr. Gregory House, M.D.]

Początkowo opublikowane przez MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Początkowo opublikowane przez DomCobb1:

Yeah but since consoles now have a more recent GPU and CPU, wouldn't games (For the time being at least) run better than unoptimized games from "last gen?"

Theres nothing better to run on the new gpu, the only real benefit is that the gpus are more modern and so have newer features, they are dx11 grade or whatever vs 9? So outside taking advantage of modern features, the consoles each are only interested in their own optimizations, they don't care about anyone else.

But then how does BF4 on XB1 and PS4 look way better compared to xb360 and ps3 and run at 60fps?

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

Początkowo opublikowane przez DomCobb1:

Początkowo opublikowane przez MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Theres nothing better to run on the new gpu, the only real benefit is that the gpus are more modern and so have newer features, they are dx11 grade or whatever vs 9? So outside taking advantage of modern features, the consoles each are only interested in their own optimizations, they don't care about anyone else.

But then how does BF4 on XB1 and PS4 look way better compared to xb360 and ps3 and run at 60fps?

Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying.
The gpus are just catching up to where the pc's were already. Just because the ps4 now uses some dx11 level type features doesn't mean it will suddenly get faster on pc. There are only a few things where things were optimized for efficiency, but like most things in graphics, more features = more power for more graphics, meaning you get more but not for free. Its why we keep upgrading graphics card if you didn't notice..even though we've been at the current dx level for quite a while now.

The graphics on bf4 look better on ps4 and Xbox1 sure. But even if you upgrading the xbox 360's gpu to dx11 keeping it at the same clock speed/ram and the rest of the specs,it wouldn't be faster, turning on the dx11 features would make the game unplayable, the same way bf4 is unplayable on a geforce 210. Geforce 210 is 25 dollars these days but it supports direct x 11! hell it has 512mb of ram, double what the xbox360 effectively has for texture memory.

[rotNdude]

Read this
http://www.videogamer.com/pc/assassins_creed_4_black_flag/news/ubisoft_provides_statement_on_ac4_pc_optimisation_proud_of_pc_version.html

[hatchet5891]

Początkowo opublikowane przez rotNdude:

Read this
http://www.videogamer.com/pc/assassins_creed_4_black_flag/news/ubisoft_provides_statement_on_ac4_pc_optimisation_proud_of_pc_version.html

All that article shows it that he said something which was either taken wrong or he said and now ubisoft is backpedeling on. No way to prove either of those two options and these things happen constantly with every developer, so why take this to heart.

[Dr. Gregory House, M.D.]

Początkowo opublikowane przez MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Początkowo opublikowane przez DomCobb1:

But then how does BF4 on XB1 and PS4 look way better compared to xb360 and ps3 and run at 60fps?

Maybe you didn't understand what I was saying.
The gpus are just catching up to where the pc's were already. Just because the ps4 now uses some dx11 level type features doesn't mean it will suddenly get faster on pc. There are only a few things where things were optimized for efficiency, but like most things in graphics, more features = more power for more graphics, meaning you get more but not for free. Its why we keep upgrading graphics card if you didn't notice..even though we've been at the current dx level for quite a while now.

The graphics on bf4 look better on ps4 and Xbox1 sure. But even if you upgrading the xbox 360's gpu to dx11 keeping it at the same clock speed/ram and the rest of the specs,it wouldn't be faster, turning on the dx11 features would make the game unplayable, the same way bf4 is unplayable on a geforce 210. Geforce 210 is 25 dollars these days but it supports direct x 11! hell it has 512mb of ram, double what the xbox360 effectively has for texture memory.

So you're saying they're basically low end PCs? Cuz I get that haha, but why is it such a pain for big companies to delay the PC game for a bit for better optimization?

Początkowo opublikowane przez rotNdude:

Read this
http://www.videogamer.com/pc/assassins_creed_4_black_flag/news/ubisoft_provides_statement_on_ac4_pc_optimisation_proud_of_pc_version.html

Honestly, it runs much worse than it should on my PC, so idk about lower end PCs

[rotNdude]

Początkowo opublikowane przez hatchet5891:

Początkowo opublikowane przez rotNdude:

Read this
http://www.videogamer.com/pc/assassins_creed_4_black_flag/news/ubisoft_provides_statement_on_ac4_pc_optimisation_proud_of_pc_version.html

All that article shows it that he said something which was either taken wrong or he said and now ubisoft is backpedeling on. No way to prove either of those two options and these things happen constantly with every developer, so why take this to heart.

I think what he was saying is that the consoles now have video capable of PC levels and the need for optimization is not nearly as great as what it was in the past. When PC gamers expected DX 9 or higher video capabilities and the consoles were only doing something like DX 8, PC gamers would get ticked off. It is also a general statement about optimization for the PC crowd.

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

Początkowo opublikowane przez DomCobb1:

So you're saying they're basically low end PCs? Cuz I get that haha, but why is it such a pain for big companies to delay the PC game for a bit for better optimization?

Because the pc market is small and riddled with piracy, and its trouble having to develop for multiple os/configurations, even windows comes in multiple flavors. It comes down to $$$$, gta5 launched on console and got to 1 billion in days or whatever it was, what kind of pc game would do that?

Just an example of the neglect of pc
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=718181
need for speed was found to be frame locked to 30fps for no reason on pc lol