Steam overlay causing the games to stutter

[GrocKing]

Whenver i open certain games i'm always introduced with stutters whenever new stuff loads in. Been like this for years as far as i know. Haven't had this issue on my older PC either.

It's especially a big pain to deal with if stuttering is apparent on an open world game. Just constantly stuttering whenever the game has to load a new area.

Disabling the overlay fixes the problem but is there any way i can just "make it work" ? I think it's not only the steam overlay either any type of overlay is causing me stutters.

[Iceira]

Reduse steam resource usage,

you can clear web browser cache in ingame setting or that game own settings also, but i bet it will rebuild over time again if you, have done them or have alot of steam serviice running at max resources


reduce stem resources that Library settings.

its still depend on pc hardware and game requirements, i have seen pc use overclocking and things like that then depend on windows settinga and windows max performance,
i guess it depend on user want best settings for games or not. this was way more done on our older pc, such dont feel like a drag then you have newest pc anymore, and you wont see helper say old ways anymore, unless they run into user like you with performance issue.

Most will not even help a I7 and i9 pc with hight-end gaming pc, because then you haver other issue,

could be turn off GPU accelration in steam setting but it dont look like that.


and dont forget you said years, that mean that pc could be a older pc.

[GrocKing]

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

Reduse steam resource usage,

you can clear web browser cache in ingame setting or that game own settings also, but i bet it will rebuild over time again if you, have done them or have alot of steam serviice running at max resources


reduce stem resources that Library settings.

Tried both but no luck.

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

its still depend on pc hardware and game requirements, i have seen pc use overclocking and things like that then depend on windows settinga and windows max performance,
i guess it depend on user want best settings for games or not. this was way more done on our older pc, such dont feel like a drag then you have newest pc anymore, and you wont see helper say old ways anymore, unless they run into user like you with performance issue.

Most will not even help a I7 and i9 pc with hight-end gaming pc, because then you haver other issue,

could be turn off GPU accelration in steam setting but it dont look like that.


and dont forget you said years, that mean that pc could be a older pc.

No overclock , max performance settings and updated drivers.

This was happening ever since the day i got my PC. Never had this issue on a MUCH older PC i used to have. Not sure why but can't put my hand on it.

I guess i have to deal with it for now as i'm gonna sell this PC to my friend some time soon. He does know about the stutter problems so maybe it's something related to hardware. So far my HDD was taken a look at and i switched my RAM to dual channel but no luck.

[Iceira]

System spec, AMD IGPU then, thats might have issue with Primary GPU card.

ps.
you can find several post about IGPU cause issue with Main card. ( assuming its ths. )

because not much left. ( i mean ideas that can cuase this, and you also told a little proof did not do this on other pc. ) so this is that pc problem

spare pc or friends laptop, should not have same problem ate your network, unless they have same issue.

[GrocKing]

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

System spec, AMD IGPU then, thats might have issue with Primary GPU card.

ps.
you can find several post about IGPU cause issue with Main card. ( assuming its ths. )

because not much left. ( i mean ideas that can cuase this, and you also told a little proof did not do this on other pc. ) so this is that pc problem

spare pc or friends laptop, should not have same problem ate your network, unless they have same issue.

I'm guessing you mean integrated GPU on CPU by IGPU and i don't have one. Which honestly could be the reason too since my old laptop used to have one and steam probably ran on an IGPU.

So far it could be motherboard , PSU or a GPU problem. Couldn't be something about electricity , network or a monitor problem since i'm literally using the same stuff i've used with my old PC.

One small suspicion i have is that it could be my HDD even though it was taken a look at. Even though it may be healthy it could just be a bad quality HDD (Seagate).

Well whatever it is i promised my friend i'd take care of it so hopefully it's not something big that it just makes selling my PC completely pointless lol.

[Iceira]

System spec, use system information, you dotn want any helper here not to go throught whgat if you make mistake, whats left pc repaire shop. ?

Im sure you dont need 250 to 350 millions active steam to tell steam is not the problem, or should i say better we ourself has a issue,

You can try steam beta client, you never know if steam working on something.


all this is your call. we casn only accept your words in what you know and did check for.

same as dont get caught in system issue

DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-Image /Restorehealth
SFC /Scannow

Google them cmd im sure you should know what the mean they have been almost menion in very post over the last 2 years or more.

And do note, your eror is even worse no crash, thats same as looking for something thats not a problem and yet you can feel it.

ps.
you need let other double check everything, or you wont get past this ( whatever it is.)

i dare you test with other pc, ( then you will see my proof the error is at your pc ) special if steam games is working on other pc, ( i use words like you just proof or busted yourself )

Get a spare pc or friends laptop you know working at hes network and test your network , this is well know in process of faulthy finding.

Any technicain laptop that work at your location, mean your main pc is the problem.

problem is network enginner see a pc unit on a network, and technicaly eliminating the unit that cause greef to the rest of the network, and you cant hide witha software issue or cable or user infront of it.

you need to know this, and why test with other pc can be seenas proof is it network into steam that the problem even or your pc.

all i do is proof is it network or not , and then deal with pc afterwards. there is logic in all here.


You dont want a ISP or line into steam have bad packets or other worst possible ideas, possibilities is endless 1 router somewhere get a issue , and this is why you test with spare pc.

[GrocKing]

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

System spec, use system information, you dotn want any helper here not to go throught whgat if you make mistake, whats left pc repaire shop. ?

Im sure you dont need 250 to 350 millions active steam to tell steam is not the problem, or should i say better we ourself has a issue,

You can try steam beta client, you never know if steam working on something.


all this is your call. we casn only accept your words in what you know and did check for.

same as dont get caught in system issue

DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-Image /Restorehealth
SFC /Scannow

Google them cmd im sure you should know what the mean they have been almost menion in very post over the last 2 years or more.

And do note, your eror is even worse no crash, thats same as looking for something thats not a problem and yet you can feel it.

ps.
you need let other double check everything, or you wont get past this ( whatever it is.)

i dare you test with other pc, ( then you will see my proof the error is at your pc ) special if steam games is working on other pc, ( i use words like you just proof or busted yourself )

Get a spare pc or friends laptop you know working at hes network and test your network , this is well know in process of faulthy finding.

Any technicain laptop that work at your location, mean your main pc is the problem.

problem is network enginner see a pc unit on a network, and technicaly eliminating the unit that cause greef to the rest of the network, and you cant hide witha software issue or cable or user infront of it.

you need to know this, and why test with other pc can be seenas proof is it network into steam that the problem even or your pc.

all i do is proof is it network or not , and then deal with pc afterwards. there is logic in all here.


You dont want a ISP or line into steam have bad packets or other worst possible ideas, possibilities is endless 1 router somewhere get a issue , and this is why you test with spare pc.

Not saying steam is the problem as i said it happens with other overlays too. I'm trying to find a fix for it basically hardware or software whatever it is.

Don't really have any other PC to test it out since only other PC in the household has an SSD and that just straight up eliminates the problem if it even existed. But my old laptop was being used by a family member couple months ago and they didn't have any problems so there is that.

The commands you mentioned doesn't really have any use to me afaik. I do have an official HDD test tool that i used after my HDD nearly died to keep it in check and again afaik it's healthy.

My pc is out of warranty so i can't really send it to tech service and i doubt the local ones will have any idea what causes it. I do plan on either juggling hardware or finding a proper tech service guy to take a look whenever i sell my PC along with my friend and pay for the costs.

To keep it simple i know "something" is broken either hardware or software wise. Considering i've had this problem even on a clean install (first game i've had the problem with was mafia 3 which was one of the first games i've played on this PC) it probably is a hardware problem.

As for my specs :

CPU : AMD Ryzen 5 3500X 6-Core 3.60 GHz
GPU : AMD RX 580 8 GB
RAM : 16 GB Dual Channel
HDD : SeaGate Barracuda 256 MB 7200 RPM SATA
Motherboard : MSI B450M-A PRO MAX 4133Mhz (OC)
PSU : Power Boost X-59 RGB 650W 80+

As an addition XMP is enabled (both enabled and disabled causing stutters) and i did update my motherboard (BIOS) drivers because apparently some security software was causing stutters on AMD CPUs but it did not help.

[Iceira]

I can see you have the support for IGPU check bios it is turn off as you said you dont have IGPU

Onboard Graphics

1 x DVI-D port, supports a maximum resolution of 1920x1200@60Hz12
1 x HDMI™ 2.0b with HDR port, supports a maximum resolution of 4K @60Hz123

Only support when using the processor with Graphicss
Maximum shared memory of 2048 MB
Graphics specifications may vary depending on the CPU installed.

technicaly it should not even be a option there in the BIOS.


This is hard one, i can only tell you try DDU AMD user know this, freshly install gpu drivers
rest is update all driver i cant help you then i dont have hands on gear, and it migth be as i said you need to proof its not your main PC and the ironi in this a your older laptop already proof this to you.

I dont care if you need to check Brand seagter hard disk support page , no stone not turned, chipset driver , well this is your pc, it your choise, your problem is you have no crash log.

maybe buy a neww emypty disk and try reinstall OS on it to proof this is not pc hardware but software related issue, and same time you gaina extra disk, might be cheep hocus pocus , but also try see it as test to ruleout own hardware and the option you did with past OS.

Lets see if other helper have any ideas, you need all helpers here to even have just a clue , and bare over with them if you need to double check.

Do not have a BIOS not update and stuff like that, BIOS support info have fix stability issue before.

ps.
dont forget im user to see multi pc on network, it take me 2 sec to terminate a pc and send it to repair department. ( technicaly not even more job to deal with them, ) if you had 9 other pc and they are working at your network im sure you dont need to be sherlock homles for doing that temination. ( this is why i dare you or tell you get other pc there or friends laptop, and you will start to see the ways whats wrong. ) better its actual better you know yes its my pc not isp or steam as you suspected and you need to figureout what wrong on that pc.

make sure its not steam setting "turn off GPU accelration" you wont get this repeated by me anymore, if you miss that info.

[GrocKing]

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

I can see you have the support for IGPU check bios it is turn off as you said you dont have IGPU

Onboard Graphics

1 x DVI-D port, supports a maximum resolution of 1920x1200@60Hz12
1 x HDMI™ 2.0b with HDR port, supports a maximum resolution of 4K @60Hz123

Only support when using the processor with Graphicss
Maximum shared memory of 2048 MB
Graphics specifications may vary depending on the CPU installed.

technicaly it should not even be a option there in the BIOS.


This is hard one, i can only tell you try DDU AMD user know this, freshly install gpu drivers
rest is update all driver i cant help you then i dont have hands on gear, and it migth be as i said you need to proof its not your main PC and the ironi in this a your older laptop already proof this to you.

I dont care if you need to check Brand seagter hard disk support page , no stone not turned, chipset driver , well this is your pc, it your choise, your problem is you have no crash log.

BIOS wise yes you're right it shouldn't even be an option

I've been clean installing drivers until AMD stopped me from doing so (it was bricking PCs or something like that they're still trying to fix it)

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

maybe buy a neww emypty disk and try reinstall OS on it to proof this is not pc hardware but software related issue, and same time you gaina extra disk, might be cheep hocus pocus , but also try see it as test to ruleout own hardware and the option you did with past OS.

Yep i'll also try that before selling the PC. I kinda don't wanna spend any money on HDD since i want to use SSD only on my new build. However i'll strap on my friends old HDD to try to check it out. Also thinking about using the motherboard and PSU of the other PC to see if they're the problem too. But like i said , before i sell the PC.

Originally posted by Iceira W10:

make sure its not steam setting "turn off GPU accelration" you wont get this repeated by me anymore, if you miss that info.

I think it's exclusive to browser but i'll try it out. Seriously doubt that's the case since even a discord overlay causes games to stutter.

[GrocKing]

Nope, didn't work.

[Iceira]

Well you are at ends road, unless some else reply with Solutions or new ideas.

Feel free to rename steam folder to steam.old and reinstall steam as test same goes with OS or get a tech dude to recheck everything, thats mean all settings and setup.

Because i see no other way to either you reproduce the error or NOT.

Dont get caught in VC++ is not opdate or things like that, ( its still being seen as optimized games performance and is not part of windows, its a thirdpart app to gamed devs that need it, same goes with DirectX, but if you have notice noone talk about them anymore, its like gamed devs is always right and its never that anymore, if you ask old windows games that was a huge thing in the old days , you could not install a game without run them.

Whatever it is, look like your pc is doing it, if you notice not funny then its only "my pc" kind of a feeling here.

its here the cheap disk is not a bad idea, but its your call, we other can only suggest it.
its still you that need to figureout what the heck is doing this.

and i dont recall have you ask steam support ticket.

[GrocKing]

Originally posted by d-_-b:

I have an even worse issue with Steam Overlay.

After much testing and debugging I've found it's the reasons games are freezing and locking up the pc, which means a hard reboot. Sometimes the audio stutters badly then it locks up, other times it locks up and the audio keeps playing.

Turning Steam overlay off resolves these issues.
I've tried many things to test this (BIOS OC disabling, Memory tests, DISM/SFC, Chipset drivers, NVidia drivers, Game settings, windows settings etc etc, and Steam overlay set to ON is the cause behind my stutters and eventual system freeze. Even with upscaling completely off, and minimal GPU loads/.

I'm not even calling up the overlay, it's a background thing.

GPU settings for steam are off when this happens.
I can't see any other settings that could be the reason here.

Anybody else experience this?

If you have the recent i9 intel CPUs it could be the cause. People all over reporting crashes on games. Might be worth looking into.