Buying/Trading Items or Games with Paypal

[JLBGold]

Is buying/trading an item or a game to an other steam user/friend through Paypal considered as "obtained in a fraudulent manner" on Steam Support eyes ?

[Tev]

The SSA reads what it reads, if you don't have a card to play against that, certainly don't state that what you posted was correct.

And I don't see who's "we".

[spoof]

yes thnx for the input.

if you read my post it is clear who the we is.
my info is correct I linked it I do not make any judgement about it.

[Tev]

Last time I checked those people were separate human beings.

Again, if you can't prove it, don't claim otherwise.

[spoof]

not going to argue silly it is clear what I said.

I linked it and said this is what valve staff say nothing more.
I am not saying it is right or wrong.

[MancSoulja]

Postat inițial de Ineffable Anathema:

Postat inițial de spoof:

valve support staff give an answer here about "real world trading".
http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/answers-from-derrickg-steam-support.37957/

This is entirely irrelevant to the question because it does not mention SELLING at all, only trading. SELLING for real life funds of any sort is very clearly spelled out as being forbidden by the SSA and anyone who does so is violating it.

Violating the SSA in any way can result in account suspension.

Valve cannot enforce the majority of their T&C's because in many countries they break said countries statutory rights.

Back on Topic, no you will not get banned or chastised for buying or selling outside the Steam ecosystem, but doing so will mean any trade or purchase is done at your own risk.

[Ineffable Anathema]

Postat inițial de JLBGold:

I read the SSA and steam support articles and I concluded it was ok with real world trading when you use the Steam Trading Window but was not when you were doing it by Trading, Buying or Selling Accounts.

Did you notice there is no way to put "Paypal" or real life cash into the Steam Trading window then? That should tell you something.

Postat inițial de JLBGold:

The fact that Valve didn't put pressure on websites that allow real world trading was a confirmation for me.

Your logic is pretty faulty there. Valve doesn't "put pressure" on sites that sell game cheats either, yet using cheats is still Illegal activity and can get your account sanctioned.

Postat inițial de MancSoulja:

Valve cannot enforce the majority of their T&C's because in many countries they break said countries statutory rights.

Back on Topic, no you will not get banned or chastised for buying or selling outside the Steam ecosystem, but doing so will mean any trade or purchase is done at your own risk.

You have absolutely no basis for claiming that you will not get punished for violating the SSA by selling items or games for real money. Period. Please provide proof of your claims if so.

Valve's Terms and Conditions are valid in that they don't allow for random people to make money off of things they do not own regardless of what country they are in. You are not purchasing anything but a license when you purchase games or items on Steam. Therefore you have nothing transferrable you can legally sell.

[Felix]

Trades that are not fully conducted within the Steam Trading system are against the Steam Trading Policy. This includes trading for money/paypal funds.

As there is only the record of half of the trade, this could very easily be misinterpreted as a fraudulent "trade" or as a gift.
Trading within the Steam Trading Policy is the only "safe" way to trade and users are strongly discouraged from trading outside of the system.

Thanks.