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However, at the same time, loosing your stuff or money is not considered to be Steams problem either.
http://forums.steamrep.com/threads/answers-from-derrickg-steam-support.37957/
This is entirely irrelevant to the question because it does not mention SELLING at all, only trading. SELLING for real life funds of any sort is very clearly spelled out as being forbidden by the SSA and anyone who does so is violating it.
Violating the SSA in any way can result in account suspension.
I offered information the OP can choose what to do with that information.
Obviously trading outside the Steam trading system is not in itself a banned activity. Whether exchanging real life money of some sort constitutes "obtained in a fraudulent manner" or not is however something that only Valve employees can answer. This is a user forum and no one here knows exactly what Valve considers to be fraudulent activity and what punishments are handed out for what infractions. This is not information that they share with the public or with Steam users, other than the SSA and the guidelines given in other posted rules.
I did not talk about the rules in the SSA at all or gave my judgment about it.
I posted info about real world trading that is a blanket term for money trading.
my info is not is not irrelevant and it clearly has information about it.
feel free to post your own info and report my post.
http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/617328415072072950/
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2634024
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2391904
Thanks. It seems to be a relevant information. It is an at-your-own-risk choice.
I have been scammed myself some time ago. I sent a ticket to support and they didn't gave me back my items. I assumed my responsability but I insisted to punish the scammer and they trade banned him.
I noticed using Paypal, Skrill or Webmoney to trade items was a common practice on Steam.
I thought the main risk was to get scammed and the most important thing was to trade with trustworthy people. Many websites well known by Valve allow real world trading and use a system of trust to avoid these scammers. Steamrep.com is valuable source for traders. (Steamrep is now part of the Online Fraud Prevention Foundation, Thanks Mattie!)
I read the SSA and steam support articles and I concluded it was ok with real world trading when you use the Steam Trading Window but was not when you were doing it by Trading, Buying or Selling Accounts.
The fact that Valve didn't put pressure on websites that allow real world trading was a confirmation for me.
Ineffable Anathema, do you work at Valve ?
the website founder works for valve drunken_fool.
the site has a good method of keeping reputation.
Ignore at your own risk. You're all here discussing how best to violate the terms of your service agreement.
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in the real world there are people trading for paypal from the moment tf2 had items.
many high level users valve will never upset over this , big spenders with 1000+xp event badges.
we know about the SSA and the real world thats all.
you made you point thanks we got it.
So you don't take the SSA and Steam support's own articles seriously then, in favor of clinging to one post - that omits the very activity you are talking about - which you can somehow interpret to mean it's "okay" to sell items and games for real money?
Regardless of whether people are doing it or not, it's clearly forbidden activity according to the SSA. You don't seem to grasp that fact and even seem to encourage it. People might do it but it's still forbidden and can have dire consequences. They very clearly spell out that ANY violation of the SSA can result in an account lock.
As I said, ignore at your own risk.
everybody here posted valid points and info.
kagor , reboot you and me are all accurate.
we are all providing correct information.
funny aint it.
again thnx we got it , than we read and make up our own minds if you don't mind.