Jemne Perlivá 2014 年 9 月 22 日 下午 9:40
Any way to completely filter out Indie games?
Hello, I have to say I love the customisation that we can now take advantage of, especially being able to filter out Early Access titles. However, is it possible to completely filter out Indie games so that I don't see them at all in my searches? This is something I've wanted to be able to do for the last 3 or so years now.

Thanks!
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FFL2and3rocks 2014 年 9 月 22 日 下午 9:52 
Nope.
Ineffable Anathema 2014 年 9 月 22 日 下午 10:07 
I don't think there is even a "AAA" tag you can put on games.
Jemne Perlivá 2014 年 9 月 23 日 上午 1:27 
Darn, thanks anyway guys. =)
s279961 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 1:41 
Steam NEEDS to change this! It is THE one thing I, and many others, do not like about it.
TirithRR 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 1:43 
引用自 s279961
Steam NEEDS to change this! It is THE one thing I, and many others, do not like about it.

How do you define "Indie" well enough to make it an automated system?

The problem is when most people cry about wanting to filter "Indie" games they really want is to filter "Crappy" games.
最後修改者:TirithRR; 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 1:44
s279961 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 2:00 
引用自 TirithRR
引用自 s279961
Steam NEEDS to change this! It is THE one thing I, and many others, do not like about it.

How do you define "Indie" well enough to make it an automated system?

The problem is when most people cry about wanting to filter "Indie" games they really want is to filter "Crappy" games.

Steam already has an Indie tag on all of them, so they are already defined. And you are correct about the crappy part, as most of the crappy or crappy-looking ones are already marked as Indie.
makilicious 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 2:03 
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Ineffable Anathema 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 3:11 
引用自 s279961
引用自 TirithRR

How do you define "Indie" well enough to make it an automated system?

The problem is when most people cry about wanting to filter "Indie" games they really want is to filter "Crappy" games.

Steam already has an Indie tag on all of them, so they are already defined. And you are correct about the crappy part, as most of the crappy or crappy-looking ones are already marked as Indie.

Rubbish.

There are loads of "non crappy" indie games, and there is no lack of "crappy AAA" titles to boot. The recent Assassain's Creed comes vividly to mind. The truth is that "crappy" is a subjective term and everyone has their own list of what is "crap" and what is good. Blind filtering anything marked "Indie" for example means you filter incredible games such as Killing Floor, Super Meaat Boy, Amnesia The Dark Descent, One Finger Death Punch, Legend Of Grimrock, Beat Hazard, Incredibe Adventures of Van Helsing, Don't Starve, Outlast, Torchlight 2, Serious Sam 3, and Binding of Isaac.

This whole "indie = crap" mentality is pretty weak.
Jemne Perlivá 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 6:08 
引用自 Ineffable Anathema
引用自 s279961

Steam already has an Indie tag on all of them, so they are already defined. And you are correct about the crappy part, as most of the crappy or crappy-looking ones are already marked as Indie.

Rubbish.

There are loads of "non crappy" indie games, and there is no lack of "crappy AAA" titles to boot. The recent Assassain's Creed comes vividly to mind. The truth is that "crappy" is a subjective term and everyone has their own list of what is "crap" and what is good. Blind filtering anything marked "Indie" for example means you filter incredible games such as Killing Floor, Super Meaat Boy, Amnesia The Dark Descent, One Finger Death Punch, Legend Of Grimrock, Beat Hazard, Incredibe Adventures of Van Helsing, Don't Starve, Outlast, Torchlight 2, Serious Sam 3, and Binding of Isaac.

This whole "indie = crap" mentality is pretty weak.

You're right, there certainly is no lack of rubbishy AAA titles. However, I encounter far more Indie games that I would describe as rubbishy than AAA titles that I would describe as being rubbishy. Well, actually... to be fair what I tend to find with Indie games is that they sometimes have some very cool and innovative ideas but they tend to feel incomplete. Perhaps the devs have a tendency to get so caught up in the one new idea that they overlook everything else? That's a very general statement and is not always the case as on the very rare occasion I do find an Indie game that I enjoy. But it is what I tend to find personally.

I don't mean to disrespect you or your taste in games, but I personally disagree with your list of "incredible" Indie games. Except for perhaps Killing Floor, which I have invested many hours in. But back on topic, that's just it, this all comes down to personal preference at the end of the day. Surely that's also what the filter system is about, so that we can more easily find games that are aligned with our own personal preference and with this in mind it makes sense that we should be able to filter out Indie games if we wish to. Especially since there is already a tag for Indie titles which would make this feature very easy to add.
最後修改者:Jemne Perlivá; 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 6:09
Ineffable Anathema 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 9:31 
It's pretty simple though, there are more perceived "crap" indie games simply because ... there are more indie games than AAA titles. A year or a year and a half ago, Steam had what, 2000 titles total? They just had a recent sale with over 5,000 on sale ... it's a fact that indie game development has exploded. Yes, some truly are poo-poo, and I refer here to games that simply do not work as intended, not games I personally do not have a taste for. AAA is getting worse in this respect all of the time as well though. Preordering a game these days is like playing Russian roulette with your money. You know there's a chance the game will be absolute trash or just not work, and you know you can't ever get a refund once the game is released.

It's fine if you disagree with my list of incredible indie games, I'm simply choosing some of the more highly rated and popular ones that I personally have played and so know about. There are plenty of other incredible indie games to choose from. I tend to find that most of my favourite games do in fact end up being indies. I don't see any problem with adding an "AAA" tag, but what I take issue with is the rampant attitude of "all indies are crap."
最後修改者:Ineffable Anathema; 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 9:32
s279961 2014 年 12 月 6 日 下午 9:40 
It really just comes down the fact that it COULD fairly easily be a flitering option that we can enable/disable any time we want. I may feel like including Indie titles in my search today, but not tomorrow. We should have that option, and it isn't too crazy or bad of a request. That's all.
Jemne Perlivá 2014 年 12 月 7 日 上午 12:29 
引用自 Ineffable Anathema
It's pretty simple though, there are more perceived "crap" indie games simply because ... there are more indie games than AAA titles. A year or a year and a half ago, Steam had what, 2000 titles total? They just had a recent sale with over 5,000 on sale ... it's a fact that indie game development has exploded. Yes, some truly are poo-poo, and I refer here to games that simply do not work as intended, not games I personally do not have a taste for. AAA is getting worse in this respect all of the time as well though. Preordering a game these days is like playing Russian roulette with your money. You know there's a chance the game will be absolute trash or just not work, and you know you can't ever get a refund once the game is released.

It's fine if you disagree with my list of incredible indie games, I'm simply choosing some of the more highly rated and popular ones that I personally have played and so know about. There are plenty of other incredible indie games to choose from. I tend to find that most of my favourite games do in fact end up being indies. I don't see any problem with adding an "AAA" tag, but what I take issue with is the rampant attitude of "all indies are crap."

You're right about pre-orders, which is why I as a general rule never do pre-order anything. Also, I agree. Steam is now flooded with Indie titles. One could argue that although there are quite a number of shockingly disappointing AAA titles being released, there are still higher expectations of professional studios to release products that actually feel "complete" and from my experience large studios pull that off far more often than small Indie dev teams do. It's cool if you like Indie games more than AAA games in general and you're just as entitled to have that preference as myself and others are entitled to prefer AAA games instead.

Not all Indie games are crap, but such an overwhelming number of the ones that I have tried have been so crappy (to me) that I felt like I was diving headfirst into a sewer in the hope of finding a golden crown at the bottom when trying out games by Indie developers.

As this is my experience (I'm not trying to say it's like this for everybody), I feel like we need the option to filter out the Indie titles. We don't need a "AAA" tag, just the option to disclude games in the already existing "Indie" tag. This is a win/win as those who enjoy Indie games can continue to find them easily as they always have, whilst allowing the rest of us who don't tend to enjoy them to not be exposed to them in the marketplace.

引用自 s279961
It really just comes down the fact that it COULD fairly easily be a flitering option that we can enable/disable any time we want.
^ This, basically.
最後修改者:Jemne Perlivá; 2014 年 12 月 7 日 上午 12:34
Jemne Perlivá 2014 年 12 月 7 日 上午 12:40 
Also, I can't help but feel that Valve would make more money off a number of us if it didn't feel like we were wading through treacle each time we searched the marketplace for a new game to play.
supertrooper225 2014 年 12 月 7 日 上午 12:43 
This might not be an answer anyone wants but I already have a filter for crappy indy games.... my brain. I don't look at their pages or even think about them. It is a good filter and I like it a lot.
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