76561198235333748 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 6:59
A question about family sharing
On every platform, such as Xbox One, for example, you can download Pinball Arcade, and every member of the family can play it on their own side. But not on Steam!

Downloading games for the family to share, from Steam, works fine for every game except Pinball Arcade, and on Steam each family member has to download all tables again if they want to play it. Why is that? Why can you download the pinball tables just once, on every platform except Steam?

(i'm asking this politely)
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76561193903991391 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 7:08 
This is at least the third post you've made on this matter... I'm not sure what further you hope to glean from it. For the record, it is not that the license for the console version allows more than one person to play the paid content. It's simply that consoles lack an appropriate DRM measure to stop you. For the simple fact that consoles do not require an online connection, trying to stop this type of behavior would be next to impossible.

No matter where you download it, the license is for a single individual to use the content for their own, personal use. It is never intended to allow multiple people to play the content paid for by a single user. If you do so, you are violating the license agreement for Pinball Arcade.
76561198235333748 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 9:12 
引用自 RabbitTheory
This is at least the third post you've made on this matter...

Yes, sorry about that. I wrote in anger, and I should not have done that. I wrote this one politely and calmly.

I'm not sure what further you hope to glean from it.

I'm hoping for a reasonable explanation that makes sense.

For the record, it is not that the license for the console version allows more than one person to play the paid content. It's simply that consoles lack an appropriate DRM measure to stop you. For the simple fact that consoles do not require an online connection, trying to stop this type of behavior would be next to impossible.

This is not quite true. People just download it and play it. They don't do anything to cheat. They don't do anything special. It is simply available on each family member's side. They are not violating anything.

No matter where you download it, the license is for a single individual to use the content for their own, personal use. It is never intended to allow multiple people to play the content paid for by a single user. If you do so, you are violating the license agreement for Pinball Arcade.

Thanks for your attempt at an explanation. I do appreciate it. But you see, the facts speak for themselves. Every family member can play it on any machine except Steam. Yesterday I deleted it from my side, and suddenly it was deleted from the whole computer, demonstrating that there was only one Pinball Arcade on the computer, not separate games for each separate member of the family. I hope you understand this view.
最后由 oldgiza 编辑于; 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 9:16
Caustic_Drool 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 9:25 
This is to prevent certain users from abusing steam for a variety of reasons. Sorry to hear that it is frustrating you, which I can relate. Best of wishes!
76561198235333748 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 9:33 
引用自 A51AN3L1TE
This is to prevent certain users from abusing steam for a variety of reasons. Sorry to hear that it is frustrating you, which I can relate. Best of wishes!

Thanks so much A51AN3L1TE! Your understanding is a great comfort to me.

From now on, I'm just playing the Pinball Arcade on any other game machine, and *not* on Steam. I suggest that everyone else does the same.
最后由 oldgiza 编辑于; 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 10:03
TokyoWifi 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 9:35 
Why can't you just log into the account(s) in question and play the game from there? This seems like the quickest, easiest fix to your problem. Furthermore, a family sharing system does not exist on steam, as the "family" environment does not exist on PC.

Case in point: A family of eight crowding around the Wii is commonplace for many families, but you'd never see a mother and father and their two kids huddled around the PC, playing some Skyrim. This just doesn't happen, ever. Which would stand to reason that a family sharing system shouldn't exist. And even farther than this, what defines a family?

There are many legal and financial nuances that stop such a system from existing. Look at what happened when PS3 allowed family sharing between 6(not sure of the number) people, and you'll see what I mean.
76561198235333748 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 9:56 
引用自 KurtchzkoClam
Why can't you just log into the account(s) in question and play the game from there? This seems like the quickest, easiest fix to your problem.

I and my granddaughter were playing two-player pinball games on her account, but my high scores were going to the leaderboard as *her* high scores. This was unacceptable to both of us. She wanted to keep her own high scores.

Furthermore, a family sharing system does not exist on steam, as the "family" environment does not exist on PC.


We are sharing all her other games, about twelve of them altogether. I play them on my side, and keep my own achievements, my own experiences, my own player characters, and she plays the games on her side.

Case in point: A family of eight crowding around the Wii is commonplace for many families, but you'd never see a mother and father and their two kids huddled around the PC, playing some Skyrim. This just doesn't happen, ever.

Of course not! Skyrim is a one-player game. We don't play the same game at the same time. That's not what I'm asking about.

Which would stand to reason that a family sharing system shouldn't exist.

On the contrary - it does exist on Steam, and on many other game playing machines, and we are sharing all our games except Pinball Arcade on Steam!

And even farther than this, what defines a family?

Blood relatives.

There are many legal and financial nuances that stop such a system from existing.

Perhaps you're talking about something other than family sharing. Members of my family are sharing many games on Steam, Vita, Xbox 360 and Xbox One. It's only in Pinball Arcade that the Steam staff appear to be causing a problem.
最后由 oldgiza 编辑于; 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 10:00
TokyoWifi 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 10:07 
You missed my point entirely.

You seem to be worried about the high scoring system of one game in particular. Herein, I am unsure of how this affects Steam family sharing as a whole.

Additionally,

a family, as defined in legal terms and in relation to gaming, is quite far removed from blood-relatives. You may have felt a bit clever in making this remark, but I am going to assure you that you were not.

Steam is not Xbox Live or Playstation Network, services of which offer the family sharing of which you speak. Steam is different. Steam is its own service entirely. If you feel compelled to so write this complaint, perhaps you would feel even more so to post it to Steam via the Steam contact page.

And as another user has pointed out, this is the third post you have made on this issue. If you have not yet seen or heard a reply, perhaps, as I stated, your best bet would be to file an issue with Steam. No one here can do anything to help you, and if you are only finding this problem in this one game, then I would hope you would avoid using rhetoric which makes it seem like all of Steam is having this issue. It isn't.
76561198235333748 2015 年 6 月 26 日 下午 10:30 
引用自 KurtchzkoClam

You seem to be worried about the high scoring system of one game in particular.

No, I'm worried about why the family sharing system applies to all other games except Pinball Arcade, and why they want us to pay them again and again for the one game.

Herein, I am unsure of how this affects Steam family sharing as a whole.

Quite so! Perhaps you should study "family sharing" as explained by Steam in their notes.

a family, as defined in legal terms and in relation to gaming, is quite far removed from blood-relatives. You may have felt a bit clever in making this remark, but I am going to assure you that you were not.

My degree of cleverness is not the issue here. Have you heard of the fallacy "ad hominem"?

Steam is not Xbox Live or Playstation Network, services of which offer the family sharing of which you speak.

Ah! At last you recognise that no-one else makes people pay for a game they've already bought.

Steam is different. Steam is its own service entirely.

Quite so! So perhaps they should be as fair as the others.

If you feel compelled to so write this complaint, perhaps you would feel even more so to post it to Steam via the Steam contact page.

Well, it's not so much a complaint, it's more of a request for information about why Steam makes everyone pay more than once for the same game. Fortunately they don't do it in any other game.

And as another user has pointed out, this is the third post you have made on this issue.

Yes, I was hoping to ask the question civilly, this time, and I've done so. I felt it might get a more civil response. And mostly, it has.

If you have not yet seen or heard a reply, perhaps, as I stated, your best bet would be to file an issue with Steam.

I tried to get the page to do that and I was redirected back here, to the forum, unfortunately.

No one here can do anything to help you, and if you are only finding this problem in this one game, then I would hope you would avoid using rhetoric which makes it seem like all of Steam is having this issue. It isn't.

Really? Do they not charge repeatedly for Pinball Arcade when it's already been paid for? Then why are they doing it to me?
76561193903991391 2015 年 6 月 27 日 上午 4:51 
引用自 oldgiza
They are not violating anything.

FarSight Studios grants you the non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited right and license to install and use one copy of this Application solely and exclusively for your personal use.

http://www.pinballarcade.com/EULA/

引用自 oldgiza
Every family member can play it on any machine except Steam.

The only difference between Steam and console is that the console does not have DRM to prevent this behavior. It was never allowed, whether you able to do so or not.
76561198235333748 2015 年 6 月 27 日 上午 8:35 
So "it was never allowed" and yet the game is downloaded to every family member, who plays it on their side without restriction, on every game machine except Steam. Interesting. I think I'll play the game on every machine except Steam. Thank you!

(And of course, I won't be buying any other Steam games in case they have other "rules" that apply to those games. Funny how this "rule" attempts to force people to pay again for a game they've already bought, isn't it!)
最后由 oldgiza 编辑于; 2015 年 6 月 27 日 上午 8:45
76561193903991391 2015 年 6 月 27 日 上午 9:09 
You do not buy games, you license them. That license is granted only if you accept and abide by the terms set forth by the developer. The license is for a single person. The EULA spells out in plain text what is and is not permitted. Your option should you disagree with the EULA is to uninstall the game and not purchase from that developer further.

And of course, I won't be buying any other Steam games in case they have other "rules" that apply to those games

This is not a Steam issue. It's not even a PC versus console issue. All games are licensed and have EULAs, no matter where you buy or play them.
76561198235333748 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 2:11 
I posted in "Pinball Arcade Fans" in the thread at {链接已删除}.

No-one there knows why each member of my family should pay again and again for the four seasons of TPA.
最后由 oldgiza 编辑于; 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 2:13
76561193903991391 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 4:43 
People should read the EULA.
Sprosio 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 4:50 
les mamasticots sont les illuminatis
Marshall24 2015 年 7 月 2 日 上午 4:51 
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