I want to report a game for unlabeled usage of AI imagery

[RenownedGaslighter]

a game "Lost Eidolons: Veil of the Witch" I came across caught my eye because of it's extremely apparent usage of ai generated portraits of the characters and what for. I looked through the store description, curious if it mentioned any usage of ai and there was nothing. Sparse mentions in the steam discussions as well. I asked in their community area and I got the prompt response that they do not use Ai, and in fact have a dedicated artist. I would like to have this looked over by steam, as I know that they do not allow for a game that uses AI art to go without mentioning it. The report button doesn't have any applicable checkmarks that seem to cover this little region of gripe, so I'd like any pointers if there were any to have.

[KalGimpa]

pick one you think is close enough and post it

as far as i know, it is going to be a person that reads it

[Iceira]

You sure its not a game with NPC you team with that's automated in RPG such was called AI scripted, but now then ppl talk about AI they think it a new consept with games.

ppl have seen bots do better then AI script, so make sure it's not next gen issue AI you are looking for.

Virtual fight 2 , can be called AI robot will learn from you, and might beat you in the end, Because it do it better then you can.

So watchout for AI games depend on cleaver scripting, games where AI win all the time, aien't going to be bought or keep playing you can't win anyway, unless AI has programming error.

It's same BS chess player told in the past a computer can't win over human's , time told a diffrent story here, then it was strong enough to calculated longer then human can.

as long there is rules, we should not be able to beat them, remove core rules and ethic then we can.

ps.
you might not know this even Baldur's gate 1 and other game from the past had AI NPC and script's you could edit. ( i can't go further backj then that, but point is , you might not know it, script and AI Can be seen as same then its a game with rules.

You dont want AI take controll and kill you, because they dont like you.
you cant be a paladin that team up with pure evil or black knight's, and you also make mistake and think you have best weapon ( AI should figure this out themself ) so technical you won't hold 2 sec. ) and thats why AI iin a game will never be there in a game as you think ( they are doomed to have rules and the level you are in. ) you won't have a AI that find best weapon in game and then go kill you.

AI will be reduce to tin man. ( because players cant beat them )

other crazy exaple, go play Skyrim on Legendary game level, then you meet 3-4 bandits , you will have to fight way better because you dont have anything and cant barly beat a rat or mud crab, most players learn this fast, even old RPG was hard untill you learn charecter buiild matters and find right weapon and level up correctly.

alot of players can tell you this, or you will have a gimp charecter.

[Ogami]

This is the third game by the Lost Eidolon devs and if you look back they are using the same character designer since the start, and that was way BEFORE the AI image generation became a thing.
I also played their games and thats not AI generated. At all.
I have over 10.000 hours in Stable Diffusion AI image generation and i can spot a AI generated image miles away and the Lost Eidolon ones do no qualify.

Sounds more like a witchhunt without evidence.
At least the OP user name checks out.

[Lithurge]

引用自 Iceira：

You sure its not a game with NPC you team with that's automated in RPG such was called AI scripted, but now then ppl talk about AI they think it a new consept with games.

ppl have seen bots do better then AI script, so make sure it's not next gen issue AI you are looking for.

Virtual fight 2 , can be called AI robot will learn from you, and might beat you in the end, Because it do it better then you can.

So watchout for AI games depend on cleaver scripting, games where AI win all the time, aien't going to be bought or keep playing you can't win anyway, unless AI has programming error.

It's same BS chess player told in the past a computer can't win over human's , time told a diffrent story here, then it was strong enough to calculated longer then human can.

as long there is rules, we should not be able to beat them, remove core rules and ethic then we can.

ps.
you might not know this even Baldur's gate 1 and other game from the past had AI NPC and script's you could edit. ( i can't go further backj then that, but point is , you might not know it, script and AI Can be seen as same then its a game with rules.

As usual you go on a long rant that has nothing to do with the topic. The OP is talking about the use of AI to generate content, in this case the artwork used for the character portraits, not the 'ai' behaviour of the NPC's.

[Ogami]

引用自 Lithurge：

As usual you go on a long rant that has nothing to do with the topic. The OP is talking about the use of AI to generate content, in this case the artwork used for the character portraits, not the 'ai' behaviour of the NPC's.

I been on this forum for 12 years and seen Iceira posts for nearly as long.
I always tell myself " SOMEDAY you will see an Iceira posting thats actually about the topic at hand and makes sense".
Still waiting.

[Iceira]

So random generating Portrait many games has that. ( most game dont even mention this, but he want AI with it, its a script nothing more.

And in top of this, have home pc with handle all them AI and learn from it, pc aient there yet, unless its get rukes with reduce to standard , ppl forget not 2 person is same, there is always a diffrence.

Not even twins is same, have pc to show all this with AI, we are long way to even can do this if AI get into this with no rules, and it can design all this,

Take Fallout 4 random generated person, its just AI scripts ( i doub't it will be any better then that and its like been normal now in any newer game, almost standard option or choise. )

so many games has this. ( they don't even mentions this anymore ) part of new RPG games maybe. self designed toon. will happend or import of predefined looks.

[RenownedGaslighter]

引用自 Ogami：

This is the third game by the Lost Eidolon devs and if you look back they are using the same character designer since the start, and that was way BEFORE the AI image generation became a thing.
I also played their games and thats not AI generated. At all.
I have over 10.000 hours in Stable Diffusion AI image generation and i can spot a AI generated image miles away and the Lost Eidolon ones do no qualify.

Sounds more like a witchhunt without evidence.
At least the OP user name checks out.

You cannot look at the portraits and tell me that it isn't ai, you are being disingenuous. In fact, my discussion post got deleted after i asked to see their "dedicated artists" work, whether be artstation or whatever, any kind of social media.

I'm not asking for their game to be shut down, i'm asking for them to put down on their store page that they use AI. Them deleting my post is extremely damning, and you couldn't defend that.

[Ogami]

You can upload artwork to AI testing sites that will tell you if something was AI generated.
In thousands of hours and pictures created i never was able to fool the site, even with really good results.
I just tested 3 character arts from the game with the site and it gave me " Very likely human art" for all 3 of them, something i never managed with a AI picture.

There are a bunch of those AI detect sites out there, most of them are free, give it a try.

Also this discussion is not new, people have accused the devs of using AI art before with them saying they have a Korean artist team for their games and linking proof and still people accused them so now they just delete/close threads about the topic.
In the end what the developer says is the truth as far as Steam is concerned and so far nobody could proof something else.
And if even AI detection sites say its most likely human art then thats case closed for me.

[RenownedGaslighter]

引用自 Ogami：

You can upload artwork to AI testing sites that will tell you if something was AI generated.
In thousands of hours and pictures created i never was able to fool the site, even with really good results.
I just tested 3 character arts from the game with the site and it gave me " Very likely human art" for all 3 of them, something i never managed with a AI picture.

There are a bunch of those AI detect sites out there, most of them are free, give it a try.

Also this discussion is not new, people have accused the devs of using AI art before with them saying they have a Korean artist team for their games and linking proof and still people accused them so now they just delete/close threads about the topic.
In the end what the developer says is the truth as far as Steam is concerned and so far nobody could proof something else.
And if even AI detection sites say its most likely human art then thats case closed for me.

I would love to see this artist then. I want to believe them, but random ai generated google images you can find by searching for vague fantasy imagery presents the same kinds of faces that i've seen in thousands of stable diffusion generations. i would know as i've also used the tools before. You seem knowledgeable of the subject, so perhaps you do know who that artist is, and can link it to me. I asked them and they deleted the thread, so they have not convinced me in this case.

I can certainly see that they have the same guy doing the designs of the 3d models that i have no doubts served as poses and reference for the art generator tool, and that can be a valid way of cutting costs and having nice imagery in the game, but they should have that displayed on their store. Also you can see obvious ai artifacts in the background of many of their preview images as well, such as the medieval scenery, that looks just the same as anything else i've ever generated. In fact, I could probably set up on my pc another installation of stable diffusion and produce characters that look exactly the same as the ones they have on display for their game.

[RenownedGaslighter]

And I just used those ai scanning websites, all the ones that didn't require me to sign up at least. And they are inconsistent at best. Some images that are real are being labeled as ai generated, other images that i've generated being marked as 2 percent likely ai, the same with other images that are certainly not ai. Other websites that just say it's a 50/50 whether the image is real or not, so i take it with a grain of salt. Show me the artist and I will believe them. If they are as skilled as the images on display for the store, then they definitely have their work available online. It would make me wonder then why they wouldn't have used the same style of "portraits" in the original game that had bigger funding, according to them in another discussion post. They are obviously going the extra mile to hide any discussion or mention of ai, while providing no proof of this being human created work. It should be easy to prove after all.