what is sweet baby inc? and am i bad person if buy and play kingdom 18s?

[undead2020]

i was planning in the future to buy and play kingdom 18s. I LOVE kingdom games.
new lands and two crowns. i'm in love with the series.the gameplay and the soundtrack is my fav.
but seeing "sweet baby inc" and alot of negative reviews saying it's from "sweet baby inc is baffling to me. now to be frank i tried the demo of the game back then and yea it's... okay? i mean i didn't like it that much as new lands or two crowns. the gameplay was weird and confusing.

perhaps i don't need to buy 18s. but still i need simply run down on sweet baby inc please. so i can be caught up on the news.

[Mr. Smiles]

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/4286935452897635965/

Have fun.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Do not care what others think and you shall live a richer life than many billionaires would ever.

#FCKCENSORSHIP

[Kargor]

Originally posted by undead2020:

i was planning in the future to buy and play kingdom 18s. I LOVE:greedyHeart: kingdom games.
new lands and two crowns. i'm in love with the series.the gameplay and the soundtrack is my fav.
but seeing "sweet baby inc" and alot of negative reviews saying it's from "sweet baby inc is baffling to me. now to be frank i tried the demo of the game back then and yea it's... okay?

First of all, what you do or do not want to buy is up to you, and you alone. The Sweet Baby Inc curator is just a curator to tell you that Sweet Baby Inc was involved with a game.

We can't generally know how much they were involved (prime example: they list Valve in their list of clients, and since Valve doesn't even make games there's absolutely no information what this was about), so its even possible that a game still has decent writing even if Sweet Baby was involved.

As an example, looking at the Sweet Baby curator, I found that "Sable" is on my shopping list. I don't currently know whether or not Sweet Baby has any significance there -- after all, at some point in the past, I decided that I wanted the game. When a good deal shows up I'll go back to reviews anyway, so I'm leaving it as is for now.

[Mr. Smiles]

Originally posted by Kargor:

Originally posted by undead2020:

i was planning in the future to buy and play kingdom 18s. I LOVE:greedyHeart: kingdom games.
new lands and two crowns. i'm in love with the series.the gameplay and the soundtrack is my fav.
but seeing "sweet baby inc" and alot of negative reviews saying it's from "sweet baby inc is baffling to me. now to be frank i tried the demo of the game back then and yea it's... okay?

First of all, what you do or do not want to buy is up to you, and you alone. The Sweet Baby Inc curator is just a curator to tell you that Sweet Baby Inc was involved with a game.

We can't generally know how much they were involved (prime example: they list Valve in their list of clients, and since Valve doesn't even make games there's absolutely no information what this was about), so its even possible that a game still has decent writing even if Sweet Baby was involved.

As an example, looking at the Sweet Baby curator, I found that "Sable" is on my shopping list. I don't currently know whether or not Sweet Baby has any significance there -- after all, at some point in the past, I decided that I wanted the game. When a good deal shows up I'll go back to reviews anyway, so I'm leaving it as is for now.

Hyper Light Breaker is on the list as well, and it'll stay on my wishlist, because the first one (Hyper light drifter) didn't even have any human characters or dialogue of any kind, so I'm unsure how much SBI will even be involved in the sequel.

As you said, it'll be up to reviews, marketing, and my own decision, as it should be with OP.

Unless you are aiming to actively protest and boycott anything relating to SBI, make your own decision on purchases.

[Crazy Tiger]

Buy and play the games you like. Personally I consider those "SBI" negative reviews on the same level as the "♥♥♥♥ epic" reviews, they're pointless spam.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Buy and play the games you like. Personally I consider those "SBI" negative reviews on the same level as the "♥♥♥♥ epic" reviews, they're pointless spam.

Never listen/read GenZies reviews. NEVER!

Woken garbage spewing from the tongues of babes...

[undead2020]

is it really hard to have peaceful and rational discussion?
anyways thanks for the advice everyone... i guess.
but still no one answered. WHAT is sweet baby inc? it is the main reason that everyone fighting over it.
like i'm confused and someone needs to clarify it to me.

i can't take a side of the problem without knowing the problem itself. i can't just take a side randomly.

[Mr. Smiles]

Originally posted by undead2020:

is it really hard to have peaceful and rational discussion?
anyways thanks for the advice everyone... i guess.
but still no one answered. WHAT is sweet baby inc? it is the main reason that everyone fighting over it.
like i'm confused and someone needs to clarify it to me.

i can't take a side of the problem without knowing the problem itself. i can't just take a side randomly.

The answers you seek are in one or many of the huge threads about SBI that have popped up in the past week. I will not explain it because I'm sure to piss one or both sides off.

Better to just search it and read.

Also any one thread is sure to contain much bias on either side, so make sure you read several to get a good idea of what it's all about from multiple viewpoints.

Good luck.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by undead2020:

is it really hard to have peaceful and rational discussion?
anyways thanks for the advice everyone... i guess.
but still no one answered. WHAT is sweet baby inc? it is the main reason that everyone fighting over it.
like i'm confused and someone needs to clarify it to me.

i can't take a side of the problem without knowing the problem itself. i can't just take a side randomly.

Read the thread linked in the first post, it'll give some insight.

You don't have to take a side, you know.

[undead2020]

Originally posted by Mr. Smiles:

Originally posted by undead2020:

is it really hard to have peaceful and rational discussion?
anyways thanks for the advice everyone... i guess.
but still no one answered. WHAT is sweet baby inc? it is the main reason that everyone fighting over it.
like i'm confused and someone needs to clarify it to me.

i can't take a side of the problem without knowing the problem itself. i can't just take a side randomly.

The answers you seek are in one or many of the huge threads about SBI that have popped up in the past week. I will not explain it because I'm sure to piss one or both sides off.

Better to just search it and read.

Also any one thread is sure to contain much bias on either side, so make sure you read several to get a good idea of what it's all about from multiple viewpoints.

Good luck.

fair enough.

also i'm sorry if i were reckless and idiot. i just read that something will be closed and i thought that was not there answer and closed the tab. thanks tho

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Originally posted by undead2020:

is it really hard to have peaceful and rational discussion?
anyways thanks for the advice everyone... i guess.
but still no one answered. WHAT is sweet baby inc? it is the main reason that everyone fighting over it.
like i'm confused and someone needs to clarify it to me.

i can't take a side of the problem without knowing the problem itself. i can't just take a side randomly.

Rationality would include tolerance. Something which has been lost with the passing of time.

[rawWwRrr]

Originally posted by undead2020:

WHAT is sweet baby inc? it is the main reason that everyone fighting over it.
like i'm confused and someone needs to clarify it to me.

i can't take a side of the problem without knowing the problem itself. i can't just take a side randomly.

They are a consulting group that gaming companies have hired to help write or tweak their games. The gaming community has had numerous opinions over whether they've added value or not. They've made recent headlines due to a co-founder using social media to single out the owner of Steam group which focuses on highlighting those games that hired Sweet Baby during the games' development.

Originally posted by undead2020:

am i bad person if buy and play kingdom 18s?

Nope. Buy whatever game you want to play. Don't let the opinions of anyone to keep you from enjoying the things you want.

[undead2020]

Originally posted by rawWwRrr:

Originally posted by undead2020:

WHAT is sweet baby inc? it is the main reason that everyone fighting over it.
like i'm confused and someone needs to clarify it to me.

i can't take a side of the problem without knowing the problem itself. i can't just take a side randomly.

They are a consulting group that gaming companies have hired to help write or tweak their games. The gaming community has had numerous opinions over whether they've added value or not. They've made recent headlines due to a co-founder using social media to single out the owner of Steam group which focuses on highlighting those games that hired Sweet Baby during the games' development.

Originally posted by undead2020:

am i bad person if buy and play kingdom 18s?

Nope. Buy whatever game you want to play. Don't let the opinions of anyone to keep you from enjoying the things you want.

huh? interesting.
i mean the steam group itself isn't that harmful. well kinda for the games that it is on steam.
but whatever.

and thanks for that. alot of people look frown upon other who defends SBI. even tho i only support the devs. not the publisher or the consultants.

[Bamford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxsKXTTd53M

[Kargor]

Originally posted by Crazy Tiger:

Personally I consider those "SBI" negative reviews on the same level as the "♥♥♥♥ epic" reviews, they're pointless spam.

Yes, but I still like having the curator.

I rather disliked that one scene in Eternals where they decided that one of them has to be visibly gay. I also liked Jack Harkness, until they decided that it's important to show that he's gay (also, the show itself went downhill thematically, IMHO)..

So, if possible, I'd like to avoid such issues on my games. And while reviews in general are likely to point out such things -- as example, I didn't have "Forspoken" on my shopping list long before the "wokeness consultants" became a public thing, simply because reviews were kind of not particularly positive about the writing.

I'd actually like the Sweet Baby curator to be removed... and replaced with one that's not focused on a specific company, but generally points out games that have had wokeness consultants help out with their stuff. Althouh, arguably, that might put "wokeness" labels on games that shouldn't have them -- like, simply because they have a female protagonist. I like girls as much as the next guy -- they just shouldn't like "Black Girl Gamers" write anyone, at least not until they've hired some competent writers.