Where do I ask for advice on Elite: Dangerous now?

[Whiteadder]

Banned from the Steam Forums over nothing

Now banned from Frontier Forums - over I don't know what? (like three months ago and I go back to ask something and I'm completely banned from even looking at the forums or appealing - usually a waste of time any way because "Mods are always right")

My behaviour there was "toxic" apparently. Well, sure it was - because I'm still angry at being blocked from using the forums on Steam after I paid for a game!

I'll tell you what is toxic - Internet Moderators in the year 2022

A shower of uptight, sanctimonious, trouble stirring morons. None of you have a brain cell among you. You are the unwritten chapter of 1984 by George Orwell.

[Whiteadder]

I can't even access a page to message the company outside the forums now.

What kind of customer service is that?

[Ogami]

You have nearly 1400 hours in the game. You will NEVER under ANY circumstances get a refund for that game. Deal with it.
Also, buying a game on Steam does not include any "right" of access to the forums of said game.
The game forums on Steam are run by the game companies and they have total control over them, including deciding what is banworthy.
You had access, broke the rules, got banned.
Again, DEAL WITH IT.

You can still play the game fine. Also there are dozens of non official forums out there where you can discuss the game.

[Whiteadder]

Originally posted by Ogami:

You had access, broke the rules, got banned.

I didn't break any rules - as I have pointed out repeatedly

Which makes this whole situation DISCRIMINATION

Which basically means it's a Hate Crime

[Whiteadder]

I'm seriously never buying anything from Frontier again over this - not even more DLC for Elite. A thoroughly obnoxious organisation.

[Pscht]

You can point out things as often as you want. People lie on the internet, or at least leave out important details. Not that other users (that's us) can do anything about your ban...

Whatever you expected to reach with this thread is not going to happen.

[Whiteadder]

Originally posted by Pscht:

Whatever you expected to reach with this thread is not going to happen.

Registering my indignation one more time following the discovery today that FF have discriminated against me (a paying customer) again is what I expected to achieve

Because I've put up with forum moderators and internet censorship for decades and it's getting worse and people need to challenge it head on

[Whiteadder]

When it involves using a forum run by a company that I PAID MONEY TO then it's a slightly different matter than getting a strike on twitter

I bought the game to grow into an online community with the game - this was and is part of the package for me - blocking me from accessing the forums (therefore) is a forfeit of services rendered (as far as I'm concerned!) AND discrimination!

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by Whiteadder:

I'm seriously never buying anything from Frontier again over this - not even more DLC for Elite. A thoroughly obnoxious organisation.

I paged through your post history a bit to see what you might have said that was so egregious that they banned you.

Honestly, I couldn't really find much. The nastiest stuff was all post ban. You certainly took getting banned hard. Perhaps the ban-worthy posts were deleted.

Though in the end it really doesn't matter much. Even if you were the nicest person on the planet and never said anything that could possibly offend anyone, a developer has full authority over their own Steam community. They could ban you because they don't like snakes, and you have "adder" in your name. You have zero recourse I'm afraid.

You can try Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/

And perhaps re-examine your conduct to find out what it is that offends so much. I wish I could point to one particular thing you said that stands out as the reason, but I can't, other than perhaps don't call people "knob-ends".

[Whiteadder]

Originally posted by 8bitbeard:

Originally posted by Whiteadder:

They could ban you because they don't like snakes, and you have "adder" in your name. You have zero recourse I'm afraid.

You can try Reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/

And perhaps re-examine your conduct to find out what it is that offends so much. I wish I could point to one particular thing you said that stands out as the reason, but I can't, other than perhaps don't call people "knob-ends".

Unless I file a lawsuit against them for discrimination. Someone said it could have been because I have "White" in my name - which wouldn't surprise me

I just took the name from a River I live nearby - this is my website of photos from it

http://whiteadder.rocks/

I thought it was a good name for the game

Can't say I'm perfect and never speak out of line but I do stick to the rules and decorum as best I can and by polite and nice to everyone (which I was being) as you say though this doesn't always guarantee you won't get a strike - we know all about that

Normally when you buy a product from a company the company goes out of it's way to provide good customer service and help you. Gaming companies appear to have a different outlook - and that will reflect badly on them

Oh and screw Reddit - I joined and left that place after one day (because of the moderation) and I'm not the only person who feels that way about Reddit

I don't know why this post has gone all wonky I think I have the quote's in the right place?

[Whiteadder]

I hear this argument all the time that "it's a private company so they can do what they like"


How's that working out for Twitter these days - now they have been exposed as collaborating with governments to censor and deplatform?


Not saying this applies here but Private Companies are still bound by the law and Discrimination is Discrimination - unless Frontier or Steam have a valid reason for banning me from the Elite Forums then it's discrimination. It's still discrimination.

[Wolf Knight]

Originally posted by Whiteadder:

I hear this argument all the time that "it's a private company so they can do what they like"


How's that working out for Twitter these days - now they have been exposed as collaborating with governments to censor and deplatform?


Not saying this applies here but Private Companies are still bound by the law and Discrimination is Discrimination - unless Frontier or Steam have a valid reason for banning me from the Elite Forums then it's discrimination. It's still discrimination.

if you feel you were wrongly banned, contact that games developer or steam support. banning you is NOT discrimination, you can stop throwing that word around. if you still feel you are being discriminated against, contact a lawyer and have them address it

[Whiteadder]

Originally posted by Wolf Knight:

Originally posted by Whiteadder:

I hear this argument all the time that "it's a private company so they can do what they like"


How's that working out for Twitter these days - now they have been exposed as collaborating with governments to censor and deplatform?


Not saying this applies here but Private Companies are still bound by the law and Discrimination is Discrimination - unless Frontier or Steam have a valid reason for banning me from the Elite Forums then it's discrimination. It's still discrimination.

if you feel you were wrongly banned, contact that games developer or steam support. banning you is NOT discrimination, you can stop throwing that word around. if you still feel you are being discriminated against, contact a lawyer and have them address it

Good idea

[Whiteadder]

Duplicate Account just banned (as expected) on FF

What was I doing?

Asking a question - as a paid customer

Discrimination - based on what? My Age? My superior intellect? My unwillingness to roll over and take their b.s?

[Haruspex]

Originally posted by Whiteadder:

Oh and screw Reddit - I joined and left that place after one day (because of the moderation) and I'm not the only person who feels that way about Reddit

Hmm, another issue with moderation.

You seem to experience that a lot.

It's difficult to discriminate on the Internet. Unless you specifically tell people, we have no idea what your age, gender, or sexual orientation is, or any other protected category. Even if you did tell us, that means nothing. Anyone can say anything.

You could attempt to bring forth a discrimination lawsuit, but the onus would be on you to prove discrimination. How can you prove that the reason you were banned was due to the perception that you are a member of a protected category?

You can do what you want, but my own personal recommendation is for you to do some soul searching and find out what it is about your conduct that others seem to find so repulsive. Thousands or millions of people use forums, message boards, and social media sites all the time with no issues, yet you seem to run afoul of moderation frequently.

[Whiteadder]

Originally posted by 8bitbeard:

Originally posted by Whiteadder:

Oh and screw Reddit - I joined and left that place after one day (because of the moderation) and I'm not the only person who feels that way about Reddit

Hmm, another issue with moderation.

You seem to experience that a lot.

Mate - everybody has issues with internet moderators these days - everywhere. I left Reddit because their early behaviour threw up major red flags and I decided to swerve a bullet, ie. not waste any more of my time posting up content that some dhead behind a computer screen somewhere is just going to click away because of some garbage reason that I probably do not adhere to

But thanks anyway for boring me with the old "have you ever thought it might be you?" trope

Discrimination can be against an individual for an unspecified reason - without a valid reason for acting in this way towards me it is the default explanation

My own personal position on this fundamentally is that banning members who have paid money to a company for espousing negative criticism against the company is not justified. This kind of action should only be taken for something egregious

These morons who sit behind their screen on their little power trips don't know anything about those they are banning, people who might not have much contact with other people and perhaps derive much of their social interaction online

So kind of Frontier to act like this towards me on Hogmanay while I was having a quiet, boring night in with my elderly mother who I care for - I guess some of these mod idiots are young Gen Z game boys (and girls) who think they know everything and have the moral high ground because they're been given a little bit of power

I'm here saying these things because I'm in the right and both Steam and Frontier own me an apology