conflicts with a developer

[Shinoskay]

Hey guys, I need some help here. So I played a free version of a game for a while (age of fear) and it was nice. As a smart advertisement trick, the developers added pay content into the free version and had it tell you that it needed to be paid for, Most games with free versions will do this, no surprise.

Well, it worked, after years of free I got convinced to pay for the full game. I reached out to the dev to explore what version of the paid game would be best,

I have ADHD and have accidentally paid for inferior versions of games before. And thats actually kind of what happened, I paid for one and found out it wasnt the one I wanted.

They were helpful for the most part, except they were also incorrect about their own game.
I was told all the games had all the content and the only real differences were what leading characters you could choose.

I asked them to let me have a version they said was what I wanted... and I found out it was missing content. So then I asked them to just land me on a newer version because I'd rather the content then the leading unit.

They then accused me of key fishing and told me to just refund and walk away from their products. Like, wth? So I tried appealing to them to help them see I'm just a dude trying to play a game. I mean, really though, how hard would it have been to just swap out the keys I had for the one I wanted? not at all. but no, they didnt even consider that. They just accused me of being a bad person and told me to go away. After another attempt or two to appeal to them, I finally gave up and just settled for what I had.

a month or so later, I found that the game suddenly stopped initializing. I tried it on another computer I'd just purchased to troubleshoot and got a similar error. I did searches and saw no one else was complaining about the error and there was no previous complaints about it.

So I decided to confront the developer to ask if they did something to cut me off from the game. They then act like I'm an audacious thief and lock the topic. I reconfront them telling them they have deeply encroached into civily criminal territory and I want them to stop and to undo whatever they did to block me from the product I purchased.

They instead delete that last post, leaving it so it looks like I didnt say anything when they called me a criminal and they ban me from that community. So now, if anyone goes there and sees the post they will think I am a criminal.

So now, here I am, trying to get help. Eventually, I plan to contact steam and ask steam what I can do as well.

[magicISO Sweden]

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198132427673/recommended/341150/#developer_response read here is the prof omg wow

[Shinoskay]

thats cool, kind of like saying if you have nothing to hide... tell the truth. that never goes wrong. or when someone says "if they werent guilty, they wouldnt run" Or like saying someone who is nervous is suspicious and that is probable cause.

Again, thats not how it works.

You guys are being rude, no thanks. Also, you guys should probably stop trying to speak for everyone.

[fluxtorrent]

Originally posted by John:

thats cool, kind of like saying if you have nothing to hide... tell the truth. that never goes wrong. or when someone says "if they werent guilty, they wouldnt run" Or like saying someone who is nervous is suspicious and that is probable cause.

Again, thats not how it works.

You guys are being rude, no thanks. Also, you guys should probably stop trying to speak for everyone.

You wrecked yourself with your own lies son. You provided all the information anyone needed to see you for who you are.

Your post history is rife with vitrol, your own words tell the story.

[Shinoskay]

Originally posted by magicISO Sweden:

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198132427673/recommended/341150/#developer_response read here is the prof omg wow

thats not proof of anything except that the developer isnt looking at the digital fingerprint anyone has mentioned. hes giving an opinion, a strongly bias one, based on conjecture. You do not have any proof of your claims, you are making assumptions, like the developer, and calling them facts.

[Callahan420]

Originally posted by magicISO Sweden:

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198132427673/recommended/341150/#developer_response read here is the prof omg wow

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2841494143
Was getting ready to post this.
The dev laid the smack down in that last post

[magicISO Sweden]

Originally posted by John:

Originally posted by magicISO Sweden:

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198132427673/recommended/341150/#developer_response read here is the prof omg wow

thats not proof of anything except that the developer isnt looking at the digital fingerprint anyone has mentioned. hes giving an opinion, a strongly bias one, based on conjecture. You do not have any proof of your claims, you are making assumptions, like the developer, and calling them facts.

kinguin is not a legit seller for any games or programs and if you think that then you are wrong.

[KalGimpa]

Originally posted by John:

Originally posted by magicISO Sweden:

https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198132427673/recommended/341150/#developer_response read here is the prof omg wow

thats not proof of anything except that the developer isnt looking at the digital fingerprint anyone has mentioned. hes given an opinion, a strongly bias one, based on conjecture. You do not have any proof of your claims, you are making assumptions, like the developer, and calling them facts.

so, what is your plan here? what is it that you think is going to happen with us?

take em to small claims and prove your case. unless you can prove that you bought the key at a legit site, which would entitle you to a refund and any damages they may give for any libel you can prove, you are going to be thrown out

buying an illegal key would 100% invalidate any protection you would have been entitled to

[Shinoskay]

Originally posted by magicISO Sweden:

Originally posted by John:

thats not proof of anything except that the developer isnt looking at the digital fingerprint anyone has mentioned. hes giving an opinion, a strongly bias one, based on conjecture. You do not have any proof of your claims, you are making assumptions, like the developer, and calling them facts.

kinguin is not a legit seller for any games or programs and if you think that then you are wrong.

That is your opinion, though it raises the question of why they are still running... publicly so.

But as has been said many times, that is not why I am here right now. And this side tangent has gone on long enough. enough about trying to grill me about keys and resellers or sellers or any of that. It is irrelevant to the issue.

It is not ok to be slanderous, it is not ok to be rude, because you think this thing or that thing. The developer isnt saying its an illegal copy because they checked... they are saying it because they believe that. Thank you btw for posting a shot of that reply. I didnt see that one and will now add that to my screen shots.

None of that is ok.

[Ettanin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/4lfmty/warning_dont_buy_anything_from_kinguin_details/

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/9xlnjh/why_you_should_never_ever_buy_from_kinguin/

https://www.reddit.com/r/GameDeals/comments/2yhlw4/key_resellers_and_what_they_mean_for_you/

[KalGimpa]

Originally posted by John:

Originally posted by magicISO Sweden:

kinguin is not a legit seller for any games or programs and if you think that then you are wrong.

That is your opinion, though it raises the question of why they are still running... publicly so.

But as has been said many times, that is not why I am here right now. And this side tangent has gone on long enough. enough about trying to grill me about keys and resellers or sellers or any of that. It is irrelevant to the issue.

It is not ok to be slanderous, it is not ok to be rude, because you think this thing or that thing. The developer isnt saying its an illegal copy because they checked... they are saying it because they believe that. Thank you btw for posting a shot of that reply. I didnt see that one and will now add that to my screen shots.

None of that is ok.

no it is not! the dev has listed who the legit sellers are. that is a fact that you cannot dispute

if you buy a stolen item, you do not get to avail yourself to the resources available to those that bought it legitimately if there is a problem

edit:they also have the right to remove your access to the game. so, unless you are going to say that you did not buy the game from a shady, second hand site, you cannot prevail

[Shinoskay]

Originally posted by KalCuey:

Originally posted by John:

thats not proof of anything except that the developer isnt looking at the digital fingerprint anyone has mentioned. hes given an opinion, a strongly bias one, based on conjecture. You do not have any proof of your claims, you are making assumptions, like the developer, and calling them facts.

Originally posted by KalCuey:

so, what is your plan here? what is it that you think is going to happen with us?

Hmm, I was seeking guidance, advise, and trying to get more eyes on the situation to see if anyone find anything else out (which just happened). Maybe if someone else found a EULA, thatd have been awesome. I guess I should say I came here for crowd sourcing and brainstorming, both of which I've gotten.

Originally posted by KalCuey:

take em to small claims and prove your case. unless you can prove that you bought the key at a legit site, which would entitle you to a refund and any damages they may give for any libel you can prove, you are going to be thrown out

I was thinking about this, but I prefer to try to follow internal approaches before things like small claims. if I cant get resolution through steam then probs will go through a civil suit. The dev was really rude, but im not trying to get money out of them or, worse, close them up. I just want to be treated like a person, like the human I am.

Originally posted by KalCuey:

buying an illegal key would 100% invalidate any protection you would have been entitled to

this is not entirely true, if the case ends up being that it is illegal, there are other ways to correct that and there are ALWAYS a base line of rights and conduct.

[Callahan420]

Originally posted by John:

Originally posted by magicISO Sweden:

kinguin is not a legit seller for any games or programs and if you think that then you are wrong.

That is your opinion, though it raises the question of why they are still running... publicly so.

But as has been said many times, that is not why I am here right now. And this side tangent has gone on long enough. enough about trying to grill me about keys and resellers or sellers or any of that. It is irrelevant to the issue.

It is not ok to be slanderous, it is not ok to be rude, because you think this thing or that thing. The developer isnt saying its an illegal copy because they checked... they are saying it because they believe that. Thank you btw for posting a shot of that reply. I didnt see that one and will now add that to my screen shots.

None of that is ok.

The dev specifically stated the 2 sites outside of steam the game is sold legitimately and kinguin is not one if them. It is also an illegitimate key reselling site,

Once again the devs owe you nothing,

[KalGimpa]

Originally posted by John:

this is not entirely true, if the case ends up being that it is illegal, there are other ways to correct that and there are ALWAYS a base line of rights and conduct.

take something you own back to the store you bought it. tell them you bought it off the back of a guys truck and it does not work. see if they help you

just an fyi, if a person brings a stolen or fake item to court, the court is required by law to confiscate it. there is zero recourse for that person to go to whomever made the product and demand satisfaaction

[Shinoskay]

Originally posted by KalCuey:

Originally posted by John:

take something you own back to the store you bought it. tell them you bought it off the back of a guys truck and it does not work. see if they help you

just an fyi, if a person brings a stolen or fake item to court, the court is required by law to confiscate it. there is zero recourse for that person to go to whomever made the product and demand satisfaaction

That is all besides the point.... which i've said numerous times now.

[fluxtorrent]

Not only does the Dev owe you nothing, but as already pointed out Steam will do NOTHING because you are NOT their customer. You activated a key and your interactions with the dev are NOT their problem. They neither collected any funds for the transactions nor have any responsibility towards remedy for your own PC troubles, and since the product is clearly NOT faulty with everyone else being able to run it, you aren't likely to claim any damages either since the problem is entirely your setup.