Steam, not the Clutter bug. But definitely a Liar.

[Apathetic Long Pig]

so i just found out steam is a Really bad clutter bug. it leaves old mostly empty game files laying around. just the other day i uninstalled every thing from my E Drive (SSD) and there was still around 20 GB of data in there. like no steam i said REMOVE EVERY THING SO I CAN INSTALL THAT NEW STAR WARS GAME! alas i had to manualy delete everthing this morning bc the game just didnt have room and didnt fully preload. so here i am with nothing to play having to wait 9 hours becuase steam leaves a lot of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clutter. am i just uninstalling things wrong? or is this a known steam issue that just wont get fixed? do i need to spend the day completly removing steam from my computer so that i can free up space on my C: drive too? or should i just say ♥♥♥♥ this and get a new computer?

thoughts? suggestions? tips and Tricks?

Edit: Title: added Not and But definitely a Liar.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Ive never noticed anything but save game and configuration files left behind.

Thats one of the good things about Steam. I can not play a game for 5 years, start it, and it is configured properly with my saves available.

[ElvisDeadly]

Like AmsterdamHeavy says, most people consider not uninstalling save and config files automatically a PLUS point of Steam.

Not sure what game left behind 20gig of clutter?

Skyrim? Something else you modded? Those mod files won't get uninstalled because Steam never installed them

[Apathetic Long Pig]

ok so i just removed everything from my SSD (its 110GB) and tried to install that new star wars game. it just spent 10 hours dl the files and then told me i don't have enough room to finish a 52GB dl. id like to know what is being done to take up the other 50GB. the drive was completly empty when i started. explain what is going on please so i can fix it.

[Apathetic Long Pig]

or maybe there is a bug with steam that lists the game as being smaller than it is? if that is the case i'd like the last 10 hours of my life back but i'll settle for the bug being fixed.

[xarvn]

Game files are usually compressed and require more space on disk. Even if this is accounted for, games may require additional storage for cache, data, game saves, etc.

[Apathetic Long Pig]

this should be taken into account when steam tells you how big a game is. if steam says the game needs 52 GBs and it take 58-68GB that's ok but at a certain point steam needs to go well this game is ACTUALY 200+ GB! like yo this is ubsurde. ubsurd absurd. i've waisted 20 hours pre loading and then deleting and then fresh DL. and it's all because Steam said the game was 52GB but it turned out to be a WOPPING OVER 9,000!GB.

esentialy im calling ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on what you are saying and steam here. you need to unpack what you DL? that means i need more space. which means you need to friggin tell me that so i dont waste 20 hours of my Life trying to put the game on a diriv it just wont fit on.

[Ocsabat]

That is not a bug. The uninstall doesn't remove anything that wasn't added by the installer. Often times there is a message stating so.

If you want a game to be completely uninstalled you have to manually remove the remaining files. This is nothing new.

[Apathetic Long Pig]

i know that. i went and selected the steam folder (the only folder on the drive i wanna make that clear) and right clicked. then selected Delete. thus clearing the 20GB of misc data.
now steam states that the game is 52GB. ok and some one mentioned that those files might need to be unpacked thus making them a bit bigger. ok well that sounds like it might reasonably add another 20-30 GB. even that much is a bit much for steam to not tell you about TBH.
now my SSD is 110GB. the game is larger than that even tho steam says it's only 52GB.
I'll repeat The Game which steam says is 52GB, is much larger than 110GB. steam said it was only at ~40GB dl. so there was still 12 more GB of unpacked data to dl which would probably translate to ~25GB more. steam needs to tell me when a game is going to unpack to twice it's size. I'm just saying this is a feature that should be on steam.

[xarvn]

Origineel geplaatst door Cindela:

a WOPPING OVER 9,000!GB

I wouldn't be surprised if games get 9 TB in size! I agree with you that this is a problem that should be fixed. I assume you are talking about Jedi Fallen Order which interestingly requires 55 GB of hard drive space according to EA. This would suggest that EA is at fault with the wrong info which I assume was passed on to Steam. If you have a larger capacity hard drive, perhaps it would be better if you were to install the game on the large drive first and then try moving it over to the SSD after the download is complete. At least you would save yourself some hours downloading.

As far as compression goes, there is a lot of variability. For example, Homefront: The Revolution reqires 47206 MB of disk space while the download is 42.4 GB so essentially very little compression. For Hollow Knight, the download is 1012.3 MB but the game requires 7565 MB of disk space!

[The HopelessGamer™]

if you mod a game, the modded content stays when you uninstall the game. You put it there, why should steam remove it?

Steam not removing config or save files is good because it means if you reinstall the game, your save will still be there.

This also happens with many installers. Not just Steam.

[Apathetic Long Pig]

Origineel geplaatst door xarvn:

Origineel geplaatst door Cindela:

a WOPPING OVER 9,000!GB

I assume you are talking about Jedi Fallen Order which interestingly requires 55 GB of hard drive space according to EA. This would suggest that EA is at fault with the wrong info which I assume was passed on to Steam. If you have a larger capacity hard drive, perhaps it would be better if you were to install the game on the large drive first and then try moving it over to the SSD after the download is complete.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ EA.
that is what i am doing/been doing. 7 hours left.
but this needs the kind of fix that prevents this from happening again.

[Apathetic Long Pig]

Origineel geplaatst door The HopelessGamer™:

if you mod a game, the modded content stays when you uninstall the game. You put it there, why should steam remove it?

why y'all assuming i got a lot of mod content? as for the save files, well cool and all but some how the 4 games i had previously on this drive took up 20GB with save files? idk that sounds like a lot but these days i wouldn't know. any way that was only a side issue, not the main issue.

[Zekiran]

Since you don't say WHICH 4 games that is, we have to assume that yes, you had mods as well as other downloads, screenshots, config stuff - things that do in fact take up space.

Games take up space.

If you only have 20 gigs left *at all* on a large drive, your computer is not going to be behaving very well anyway.

Get a much, much larger drive. SSD (its 110GB) .... Dude, that is 1/10th of my SMALLEST drive.

That's what your basic issue actually is. Regular hdds are dirt cheap. Pick yourself up a 3 tb drive, and put your steam games and maybe music or stuff like that on it. Do yourself a favor. Games are large. Plenty of games - I'm looking at you, Ark Evolved - are OVER 100gb.

[xarvn]

These types of problems make me curious about how Steam's download manager works. If, as I suspect, Steam first downloads the compressed file in its entirety and afterward decompresses it then you would almost need double the space as briefly both the downloaded (compressed) and the unpacked (decompressed) files would have to be stored simultaneously. Ironically the higher the compression the less slack space would be necessary. Although I have not done any experimentation on this, as a rule then one should probably be safe with a little over double the free space necessary as long as the space requirements are correct in the first place.

[Apathetic Long Pig]

Origineel geplaatst door Zekiran:

Since you don't say WHICH 4 games that is, we have to assume that yes, you had mods as well as other downloads, screenshots, config stuff - things that do in fact take up space.

Games take up space.

If you only have 20 gigs left *at all* on a large drive, your computer is not going to be behaving very well anyway.

Get a much, much larger drive. SSD (its 110GB) .... Dude, that is 1/10th of my SMALLEST drive.

That's what your basic issue actually is. Regular hdds are dirt cheap. Pick yourself up a 3 tb drive, and put your steam games and maybe music or stuff like that on it. Do yourself a favor. Games are large. Plenty of games - I'm looking at you, Ark Evolved - are OVER 100gb.

i don't remember 3 of them but Greed fall was one. i don't screen shot cuz i have no friends to show them to. i've been very specific about the fact that i cleaned my SSD of all bites if information before begining the dl. idk man i've never had a game take more than ~60GB. then again i've never played Ark or most MMO games, maybe those are bigger?
it was 20GB of misc data left over after i told steam to uninstall all the games on the SSD. not 20 GB of free space. ♥♥♥♥ man how stupid do you think i am? idk but im not stupid enough to think a 52GB game will fit in 20GB. squares and rectangles and circles man i learned this in kindergarten. i do have a larger drive which has ~300GB of free space. now even tho i've responded to every thing you've said some how i haven't even talked about my issue. so let me take a few sentences to tell you a little bit about how I developed trust issues with steam.
SO, I click install new star wars game that i can't be bothered to ever remember the name of untill after i play it. steam say ok it will take 52GB of storage space to dl this game. I say OK i have an SSD with 110GB free ill put it there so that my some what older computer might run the game a bit smoother. 10 hours later, WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE ISNT ENOUGH ROOM ON THE DRIVE?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?