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4TB disk is seen as small/tiny and 20TB big , so 10TB disk is avarage.
to many pc today is sold with tiny disk.
ps.
go back to 5 years ago release games or 10 then see those big games from back then , and you will laugh at them today.
please dont say you do not know last 10-20 years in , we are the tester and they keep patch game up. becuase to many combination and error keep get fixed.
i know they are tough words , im pretty sure if i said sorry to hear that in front of this , dont make it better.
please ask again if you want more helper comment on it,im sure other have np with tell you the ugly truth in game are made today
This is happening to me daily.
And - the lab rat, that I am - I 'allow' these updates ... otherwise, I could not play those games.
Finally, I had enough and 'hide' now 8 TB of Steam games on several HDDs, while I only LINK to the games, I am actually playing.
I too have an ISP, which has a 'download throttle cap' in the fine-print, telling me, after 500GB a month, it may slow my Internet down.
PC Gamers, once the 'darlings' of any ISP (pay up for speed, does not create lot of traffic') now are in danger of hitting those 'invisible' caps - especially, if you are also subscribed to NETFLIX or any other (gaming?) stream service.
THE FUTURE is bleak, imho.
The world will be more and more divided into rich and poor and those who have "FAST" (unlimited) bandwidth and those, who live in a place that does NOT have that.
The game publishers and developers do not care. At all.
For them it is good business to publish unfinished games and keeping those games constantly in an update loop, since every update is also a marketing moment to tell you again "Hey, remember that game you like...?"
Turning every game from a version 1.0 final into a "live-game" with "Seasons" and endless DLC content, since it is proven that selling DLCs is the best way to make money. Not selling the 'base game' - that's just to spread the player base, but DLC. Nevermind, if they make bug-fixing now a never-ending story.
Again, my friend. The future is bleak?
The thing is that who would knowingly buy a car that was broken and needed constant repair? Nobody... So how is it that Steam constantly needs to fix games that they sell? We pay big money for Steam games and if I had known that there are so many bugs in their games I would have never bought them, even as appealing as they sound.
I love to play the games but when I have to wait 5 hours for it to work when I go to play it, it is very irritating.
10 or 20TB is a ridiculous amount of space for a few games. I understand that programs are much larger these days and that things change but these are not BETA version games that I buy so they should have already been tested and working without needing constant updates.
I have to disagree with you that "we are the testers". In case you didn't know, BETA versions are the testers. Not non-BETA, Retail versions that are sold.
This is like buying a 10 Lb dog and being told that it is full grown and a year later finding out that it has grown to be 200 Lbs with tons of medical issues...
I just need someone to tell me how to get around the constant mandatory updates so I can just play the game.
Thanks for your reply
I agree with you 100%. I would cut down many trees surrounding my house in the woods for a satellite dish ISP but all that I have spoke with will throttle the speed at some data cap that they have set in fine print. And I DO ask them all about that! I have heard that having a VPN can somehow, sometimes get you around the data cap but I don't believe it.
Adam, there is no cable on my road they don't even deliver mail on my street so I am, unfortunately, stuck with a very slow DSL ISP.
How do you "hide" some of your games? Perhaps I could do that and only download those particular ones at night. A real pain but that may work for me.
2000 Steam games?? I hope most of them were free ones!
Yes, the future looks bleak for gamers without 100TB drives and 200 Mbs data connections..
Thanks
and the bandwide issue , is also seen as they have right to cancel yuo contact if you get to many hits or famous on a websites, then million of ppl acces your server. so things withbandwide and data limitation has alway been there.
and you can thnaks steam for lack of pause dl and resume them on schedual and use end of month data cap, so you can overlap it with next reset. maybe its this you need to do.
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To get rid of constant updates forever would be to:
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The moment you are online, Steam 'knows' and will 'update' itself and block the games. Does not matter if YOU start Steam or not. It just checks against the OS timestamp.
The other way is to only buy DRM-free games, which do not demand 'online' after installation/authentification.
Of course, that does not work with Conan, the MMO game (or even Conan Infinite - which has 'online co-op' mode, which is yet another way to force you to updates.
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How to hide Steam games from Steam:
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1. Way:
Just copy-paste the games folder which you see in ~\steamapps\common\... out of the common folder. Steam cannot see them. Move the one's you want to play into it and everything else out.
2. Way:
Use SteamLibrary folders.
(...too complicated. Works the same, in the end as the method above)
3.Way
Move the game folders out of the steamapps\common\ folder once and leave them forever in their 'hidden'/new location.
When you want to play a game, just "HARDLINK" the game into the common folder.
Steam THINKS the game is in the right place, while it is only LINKED - and after playing, just delete the hardlink.
The concept of "hardlinks" = it's like 'shortcuts' - only it works better. It 'pretends' to be in the place Steam looks for it. Shortcuts don't work, like that. Hardlinks (also known as "MS Junctions").
Get it here (original authors website) and after installation, you can mouse right-click and create junctions easily.
https://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/linkshellextension.html
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i can see Adam Beckett also know the issue just pause the DL next reboot and all is at steam schedual
I do not have a data cap with my ISP. I just have a very slow DSL connection. 6 Mbps download speed IF I'm lucky and people on my street are not downloading massive file, like I do with Steam. You suggested that I need 10TB SSD (Average) but with the current market rates being about $105 per TB, that just isn't worth it for gaming.
Adam Beckett,
I used to be able to start Steam in off-line mode. I don't remember if it was while playing Fallout 3 or Skyrim but I haven't played either since I installed 2 new 1TB SSD drives. I don't know if that is still possible. Perhaps I'll find out if I disconnect my modem. :)
Thank you for the info on Link Shell Extensions (Hard-shell) and all of the other info as well. Good to know. I suppose that I could also set up a 3rd or 4th HDD to copy all of that stuff on, then unplug it when I'm through using it. That would save much space on this drive and it certainly won't be found if it's not on my drive...
Thanks again
Wait, I suppose that wouldn't work either as each time I connected to Steam with it, it would update.
As you said, separate drive, boot into that offline to play the games after installation and registration. I could do that. Thanks again..
He's not talking about a data cap but the speed of his connection.
Tons of places in the world still have crap DSL speed.
Even in Canada or United States.
It all depend of the internet deployment by the ISPs.
The worldwide average internet speed is still damn low, the average is inflated a lot (thanks to the gigabit internet.).
Even off peak, a 6Mbps connection is still VERY slow, off peak won't magically change his several last minute patchs to a few minutes only.
then do you gonna stop tell rest of the world with that outdate knowledge you have.
its like you still think central has such 1gbit solutions, but you fail to get it that area he live in is not that coved wih fiber solution, and why off peak DL can be faster then prime time.
and steam own option might not cover such specific DL rate to try get better DL rates then no other is using the line.
there are contrys around the world that has better network then USA, and you dont even know why, because they dont have to tear down old network , they could build new all over the place.
so its actual the first gen region with old tech that has the biggest problem.
its claer to all how little you know. ( but i can tell you USA will learn alot with this change of technologic, so they will be even better with next huge upgrade. )
Your first problem is this isn't a Steam problem. If you used some other launcher, you'd have the same issues as games get updates. So you can grouse about Steam all you want. Steam doesn't make most of the games. And they're not updating most of the games. It's up to each developer or publisher to make those decisions.
And this is just how development is now. Digital distribution gives games a lot more longevity so a lot more content, continued development, and yes even bug fixes can be applied. While you may find this all inconvenient with a 6Mbps connection, it's not like the world is going to revolve around the lowest common denominator.
You also mention Conan which I believe is primarily a multiplayer game, and it's under active development so there's bound to be a lot of patches and requirements to keep the game patched so the community isn't fragmented. Again, maybe you just play it single player or whatever, but at the end of the day you're probably not the target demographic. And if the developer wants to offer old branches so people can stay at whatever point in time, that's up to them.
Continued development has been a huge boon to gaming I feel like. I remember what it was like when games were primarily sold on discs. A game would get a few months to a year of support. And then that was usually it. And anything that still needed to be done was tough cookies. Now because games can support themselves indefinitely even a decade later some games may still be getting updates.
If that's not what you want you'll just have to shop around for games that aren't being worked on. Or are otherwise small in size.
I was asking for help, not insults. Yes I'm not their target demographic and so I must be "the lowest common denominator" as you called me. I guess an old branch, as you say, will have to do as I'm stuck in time. Buddy, that's not my fault. It's due to large companies feeling that it's not cost effective to run miles of fiber optic cable for 10 houses.
First of all Sir, I paid Steam so ya, my issue is with them. Perhaps that's a bit much for you to comprehend but that's just the bottom line. Let me put it simply for you, If your mechanic messes up you car, who would you complain to? Your mechanic or the company where he bought the parts.
I'll leave it at that for you.
Actually, one more point to make. You mentioned programs on disk. I remember that too. I remember when the was NO internet. Now companies of all sizes force you to download your programs so they can get all of your info and sell it off to the highest bidder, or lowest depending on how desperate they are. Since that occurrence, identity theft has skyrocketed and you think it's better now?
You're not the lowest common denominator, your Internet speed is. The world isn't going to operate around serving 6Mbps. It's not a judgement on you. And you're right it's not your fault. It's also not Valve's fault, or any game developers fault that you're under serviced. It's not their problem to solve no matter how unhappy or inconvenienced you are. They have to do what's best for them, and the rest of their customers.
You bought a game from Steam, yes. That doesn't mean Valve is ultimately responsible for addressing every issue you have with how game development is done in 2021. And besides Valve pays the developer/publisher 70-80% of that money and the developer has full control over the game, the files, updates, the store page, pricing, sales participation, their forums and pretty much anything related to their product. In the example you laid out with Conan, your issue is with Funcom. Not Valve.
You're free to state whatever bottom line you want. And have whatever opinions you want concerning responsibility for your dissatisfaction. Seems like you're convinced that you have a legitimate issue Valve should resolve. Unfortunately they're going to have their own opinions that that and they may not agree with yours at all.
Actually I said "disc" which traditionally refers to CDs. I was referring to a time when physical media still reigned and Internet was widely available and used. I mean, sorry the world changed and you don't like it. It does happen quite a lot for a lot of people. Personally I try not to get mad that the Sun is too bright or water is wet. But that's me.
As for your paragraph I think it's one big non sequitur. You're just throwing spaghetti at the wall looking for something to stick. It doesn't much interest me so I'm not going to participate in these antics.