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LoboArtico 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 7:42
Someone temporarily took control of my account and bought credit. Now the account is blocked and Steam does not want to refund the money even though I meet the requirements to request it.
Today someone else entered my account and used the credit card that I have in it to buy AR $ 3,200 twice (AR $ 6,400) in the steam wallet.

Noticing this irregular activity, which I did not do. I changed my password, the associated email, the email password and notify the corresponding bank so that the card is blocked in the event of new purchases made by the thief. (DIDN'T REQUEST A CHARGE BACK TO MY BANK, ONLY BLOCK NEW PURCHASES, SO I CANT ALSO VERIFY THE CREDIT CARD BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKED TO NEW TRANSACTIONS).

I also requested an immediate refund of the AR $ 6400 but it turns out that now my account is blocked for "suspicious activity" (of course the account was hacked), which is why STEAM refuses to return the money.

I do not understand why the thief is allowed to make the purchase, but the original owner is not allowed to claim the refund, especially when said refund is within the terms of the steam refund policies.

This does not seem like a protection measure on the contrary, it is something that is perpetuating a situation that could already be solved if the funds were returned to the credit card. Especially since I regained control of the account before the thief caused more damage. Now STEAM are causing the damage by not wanting to return the money that the thief did not get to use.
The purchase was made by a thief, now refund the money instead of blocking everyhing and keeping the money.

I also don't understand how my refund request could have been rejected so quickly, but now I have no answers about this problem. And even I cannot appeal directly on the refusal of reimbursement and I am forced to generate a new claim.
最后由 LoboArtico 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 7:48
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LoboArtico 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:15 
引用自 Teksura
Can you clarify something because you keep contradicting yourself.

First you say that your account was compromised, and someone used the existing information you had bound to the account to buy something.

Now you say that this isn't the case, and that someone physically stole your card and has everything on the card, which isn't the case as you originally described and isn't something someone can do by hijacking your account.

Which is it? If it's the former, the only reason why you can't work with your bank to address everything as others has advised is you don't feel like it and would rather complain about not doing it. If it's the latter, then that makes zero sense.


So what is it, were you hijacked, or did someone steal your card, somehow gain access to your account, and for some reason use your card information on your own account in order to buy something when, if they actually had your card, they would have been able to use it anywhere that would have made more sense?

Both things have been compromised, the card itself, and the Steam account. Clearly they have had minimal access to the security code or perhaps more data on the card, perhaps through a KeyLogger. Indeed the STEAM account is the least dangerous thing that could happen. Maybe I sound contradictory because as I said my English is not the best.

These are the facts:

1) The card is already blocked. AND CANNOT BE UNLOCKED. I already spoke with my bank. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. If it were, it would also not be recommended, because you could enter some other purchase making the situation worse.

2) I have access to my steam account but cannot request a refund, the Steam account was blocked due to suspicious activity. To verify it, THEY REQUEST TO MAKE CHARGES TO MY BLOCKED CARD. Which is impossible, as I verified with my bank.

3) I did not a charge back. In fact, the purchase has not yet reached my bank, so it still be charged back yet. Steam does not have to make a refund, it is not necessary, they have not yet effectively charged the money to mythe bank, money hans't moved, neither the goods (the creddit in my wallet), they should only cancel the purchase in total(anullation). The same operator of the bank says that the requirement to verify a blocked the card, to cancel a purchase that has not yet been made effective is LEGALLY questionable and ABUSIVE: She recommends making a complaint to the consumer defense office, file a report in the compute crimes center of the federal police, and making a charge back as soon STEAMS tries to charge the money.

4) I am on my way to file a complaint with the computer crimes center of the federal police in my country. Following my bank assesor advice.

5) It is false that I can fix that. I cannot unlock the card, the identity verification method that STEAM proposes is impossible, it involves the use of a card that has been reported as stolen. The theft is not STEAM fault but It's not my fault either. I am a victim.

6) Setting an absurd and unreachable requirement to annulate a purchase, requiring the use of an already blocked card is INDEED STEAM's fault. It's unacceptable as reported to me at the bank. More if we take into account that STEAM has not lost money in the process, since the steam wallet credit persists in the STEAM.

The thief doesn't have the money, and neither does the owner. Steam that did not lose any assets in the process, retains the money and demands something impossible to return it to the rightful owner of it. Even though the purchase has not even been made yet. In the process it is violating a law of my country, which allows the consumer to regret a purchase by returning the goods. There is enough legal support for the complaint that I am going to make in the consumer defense office and the police.
LoboArtico 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:22 
引用自 Dead Monkey
引用自 Lobonegro

The card is stolen, so its blocked, so it cant do that. Already checked that with the bank.... as already said...
No it isn't. You still have the card. Some of the card information could have been recorded but not enough of it to be able to be used anywhere else. You're over reacting.

If a hijacker had access to enough of your card data to use why would they bother using it on your Steam account when they could have used it anywhere else?

The bank's advisor, and the mastercard operator say that in fact the card CANNOT BE UNLOCKED, and that it is STEAM's legal obligation to provide an alternative method to identify me if that is the problem, and to return the money. If not, they recommended that I file a complaint with the federal police, the computer crime division, the chargeback and the consumer defense office. Since demanding such a requirement is illegal in my country, in addition to being considered extortionate.

We have reason to believe that both the steam account and the card were compromised. So it is not a mistake to have requested the lock in the first place.
Brian9824 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:23 
Who issues your credit card, nearly every provider allows you to unblock and block your card.

引用自 Lobonegro
. In the process it is violating a law of my country, which allows the consumer to regret a purchase by returning the goods. There is enough legal support for the complaint that I am going to make in the consumer defense office and the police.

Stolen cards trump those types of rules. I mean feel free to try to sue Steam and spend thousands of dollars, even if you win your account will be shut down and locked and you won't be able to purchase, redeem, etc on it anymore.

Any legal action against valve and they shut down your account.
最后由 Brian9824 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:25
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:25 
They can't return anything to a card that is now locked as they use the purchase transaction itself, with the card number and CVV, to return the funds. If the card is locked, there is no way to return the funds properly.

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LoboArtico 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:30 
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
They can't return anything to a card that is now locked as they use the purchase transaction itself, with the card number and CVV, to return the funds. If the card is locked, there is no way to return the funds properly.

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False. In first place, the charge even made up to the bank. Second, already the bank said that they can. Also they can acept my new credit card issued in remplacement on the stolen one. Excuses.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:32 
引用自 Lobonegro
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
They can't return anything to a card that is now locked as they use the purchase transaction itself, with the card number and CVV, to return the funds. If the card is locked, there is no way to return the funds properly.

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False. In first place, the charge even made up to the bank. Second, already the bank said that they can. Also they can acept my new credit card issued in remplacement on the stolen one. Excuses.

They will only refund it to the original payment method used. ie... The original card.

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LoboArtico 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:37 
引用自 brian9824
Who issues your credit card, nearly every provider allows you to unblock and block your card.

引用自 Lobonegro
. In the process it is violating a law of my country, which allows the consumer to regret a purchase by returning the goods. There is enough legal support for the complaint that I am going to make in the consumer defense office and the police.

Stolen cards trump those types of rules. I mean feel free to try to sue Steam and spend thousands of dollars, even if you win your account will be shut down and locked and you won't be able to purchase, redeem, etc on it anymore.

Any legal action against valve and they shut down your account.

Repeating that falsehood will not make it more true. The bank was very clear. The card is blocked as stolen, it cannot be unlocked, in fact it is already in process to give me a new card. Curiously, STEAM does not let me place a new credit card also in my name to verify my identity.

To tell the truth, I do not have to file a legal claim, it is a complaint for a computer crime in the police, and they will investigate. And a claim for an extortionate commercial practice in consumer defense. It does not go to court, they investigate and impose fines by executive means as has happened with other companies.

As for the account, I am not worried, in any case I will have to give my son something else, he will understand that one does not allow himself to be abused.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:39 
You don't need an attorney to get it done anyway. If you "must" do it, just ask the bank to issue the chargeback.

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LoboArtico 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:41 
引用自 cSg|mc-Hotsauce
引用自 Lobonegro

False. In first place, the charge even made up to the bank. Second, already the bank said that they can. Also they can acept my new credit card issued in remplacement on the stolen one. Excuses.

They will only refund it to the original payment method used. ie... The original card.

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That's not a problem. The credit account remains the same, and refunds can be made. In fact, even the services in automatic debit subscriptions continue to work. I already discussed it with my bank.

Also as I explained before, they have not yet presented the purchase receipt to the bank, so they do not even have to refund anything, they only have to cancel the purchase.
nullable 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:44 
OP I think your problem is you see it as a very simple solution to make you whole. And you're not wrong for doing things to protect yourself. But Valve also has to protect itself. And unfortunately people do all sorts of scammy things when it comes to charges and refunds and account hijackings, Valve needs to tread very carefully to avoid being scammed themselves.

I would expect there is a way to sort it out. But we're past the point of it just being trivial. So I would avoid arguing with everyone here about it. Go through the support process and see how it shakes out. Sometimes forum users, bank support, or Steam support can make mistakes and part of the process is working through those as well.
LoboArtico 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:52 
After sending my message of the "6 facts", including about the complaint that I planned to make, the bank's recommendation to make the complaint, and more. They have apologized to me and without requiring any more absurd verifications on blocked cards, they have unlocked my account and returned the money in full.

Thanks to those who wanted to help, instead of creating excuses to defend the indefensible. I'm glad I stood firm and stood up for my rights.

The next time someone robbed comes to ask for help, try not to call them guilty. The culprit is the thief, not the robbed. The spirit of this community is really questionable.
Brian9824 2020 年 11 月 6 日 上午 10:58 
引用自 Lobonegro
After sending my message of the "6 facts", including about the complaint that I planned to make, the bank's recommendation to make the complaint, and more. They have apologized to me and without requiring any more absurd verifications on blocked cards, they have unlocked my account and returned the money in full.

Thanks to those who wanted to help, instead of creating excuses to defend the indefensible. I'm glad I stood firm and stood up for my rights.

The next time someone robbed comes to ask for help, try not to call them guilty. The culprit is the thief, not the robbed. The spirit of this community is really questionable.


So basically exactly like you were told. Handle the account lock first, and then you would be able to get a refund.....
Thorgrimr 2020 年 11 月 6 日 下午 1:19 
引用自 Lobonegro
To tell the truth, I do not have to file a legal claim, it is a complaint for a computer crime in the police, and they will investigate. And a claim for an extortionate commercial practice in consumer defense. It does not go to court, they investigate and impose fines by executive means as has happened with other companies.

We are from the same country. As you have a agreement with a company that is not in our country, consumer defense cant act, nor the civil justice in general (you need to make a claim in california, usa, under their legal system). Who and how your CC data was stolen, maybe.

引用自 Lobonegro
The next time someone robbed comes to ask for help, try not to call them guilty. The culprit is the thief, not the robbed. The spirit of this community is really questionable.

Yes and no. You are the victim, but you are also the enabler. you were careless about your security. You need to own that, and learn.
LoboArtico 2020 年 11 月 6 日 下午 1:30 
引用自 brian9824
引用自 Lobonegro
After sending my message of the "6 facts", including about the complaint that I planned to make, the bank's recommendation to make the complaint, and more. They have apologized to me and without requiring any more absurd verifications on blocked cards, they have unlocked my account and returned the money in full.

Thanks to those who wanted to help, instead of creating excuses to defend the indefensible. I'm glad I stood firm and stood up for my rights.

The next time someone robbed comes to ask for help, try not to call them guilty. The culprit is the thief, not the robbed. The spirit of this community is really questionable.


So basically exactly like you were told. Handle the account lock first, and then you would be able to get a refund.....

I was told that I must unlock the locked stolen credit card (imposible as the bank operator said). I was told that I can't prove that I'm not the theft without the absurd verification through the stolen card (a theft trying to restore money to the original owner...) I was told the problem should be solved by me and my bank. (but I didn't nothing beside denouncing the absurd situation) I was told that the money can't be refunded because the credit card was block (but it was refunded)

Suddenly, after talking about consumer defence angency, abusive terms, tickets not already processed by the bank they just desisted in requiring the verification of the stolen blocked credit card as a prerequisite to refund the stolen money to me, the legitimate owner. Without any further verification form of any kind.

Be happy on your false claims. Goodbye. And thanks for your help.
Brian9824 2020 年 11 月 6 日 下午 1:38 
引用自 Lobonegro
引用自 brian9824


So basically exactly like you were told. Handle the account lock first, and then you would be able to get a refund.....

I was told that I must unlock the locked stolen credit card (imposible as the bank operator said). I was told that I can't prove that I'm not the theft without the absurd verification through the stolen card (a theft trying to restore money to the original owner...) I was told the problem should be solved by me and my bank. (but I didn't nothing beside denouncing the absurd situation) I was told that the money can't be refunded because the credit card was block (but it was refunded)

Suddenly, after talking about consumer defence angency, abusive terms, tickets not already processed by the bank they just desisted in requiring the verification of the stolen blocked credit card as a prerequisite to refund the stolen money to me, the legitimate owner. Without any further verification form of any kind.

Be happy on your false claims. Goodbye. And thanks for your help.

Yep, as i and others said the account was unlocked (of which there are multiple ways to do so) and which takes time and then you can get your refund.

Patience is a virtue. Hopefully you've learned from your mistakes how to secure your account so it doesn't happen again.

引用自 brian9824
The money is still in your account right?
If so most likely Steam just has to finish investigating your account before you can be issued a refund.
最后由 Brian9824 编辑于; 2020 年 11 月 6 日 下午 1:38
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